Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[Oscirus]

Zion has shown nothing but being overweight and injury prone, hence he makes perfect sense for him to be the first superstar to actually wind up in NY, he won't play more than 20 games as a full maxed 350 pound PF...it's destined to happen

And if he does end up being healthy? Do you really want to pass up on the first fat superstar since Barkley?

We literally had to give up another fat ass, cuz he said he couldnt play in ny cuz it smelled like food. Do you legit think zion could control himself in such an enviroment?

[god shammgod]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

at the same damn time

yeah, now that i slept on it i like it less. i'll give him a chance. we probably won't know if this worked out until sometime next season.

[Chanel Bomber]

Also, the Hawks are betting on addition by subtraction.

They think they can be better without Reddish's minutes. And they probably will be.

That's a red flag.

[snadler]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

first of all a heavily protected late 1st in a week draft while the knicks already loaded with young players would likely have to trade that pick at some point just for roster flexibility isn't really much of an asset

[Clyde_Style]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

If RJ continues to improve, then you have someone holding down the fort while Zion rehabs and drops the lard. You might even still squeak into the playoffs even after trading for Zion if RJ is really clicking simply because he is currently the offensive engine for the team so in theory they might remain competitive enough after losing key players in a Zion trade.

If they get Zion and miss the playoffs and land a solid lottery pick all the better. They’d be ready to roll next season.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

first of all a heavily protected late 1st in a week draft while the knicks already loaded with young players would likely have to trade that pick at some point just for roster flexibility isn't really much of an asset

Do you consider Grimes and IQ to be assets?

Because that Charlotte pick is pretty much on par with them as an asset. IQ's value is probably a bit higher, but still.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

That is wishful thinking. I dont see this being the difference between Haliburton or no Haliburton. We are probably not getting him either way.

[snadler]

Also, the Hawks are betting on addition by subtraction.

They think they can be better without Reddish's minutes. And they probably will be.

That's a red flag.

I'm pretty confident you are wrong on this, the hawks traded him because they weren't going to sign him long term..they also have higher priced vets making a lot of money that are getting playing time over him to begin with..nothing to do with red flags, but again, as I stated before, the knicks got him for free. if they traded Grimes for him, that would have been a different story

[evevale]

i'm under the impression that this move is far less significant than the vast majority of us are making it out to be.

we traded a water cooler and a future gleague mvp for a guy who will likely be theo pinson 2.0

am i disappointed? not really. am i looking forward towards another full day of trolling the absolute **** out of my knicks family? you better goddamn believe it folks!!

[god shammgod]

Also, the Hawks are betting on addition by subtraction.

They think they can be better without Reddish's minutes. And they probably will be.

That's a red flag.

i also think this is a setup to them trying to get simmons. and our pick probably goes in that package.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

at the same damn time

yeah, now that i slept on it i like it less. i'll give him a chance. we probably won't know if this worked out until sometime next season.

I know

Yeah, I feel the same way.

[TerrenceClarke]

Also, the Hawks are betting on addition by subtraction.

They think they can be better without Reddish's minutes. And they probably will be.

That's a red flag.

Imma send you a Gift Card for Saks or Bloomingdale's.

You need a shopping spree.

[snadler]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

first of all a heavily protected late 1st in a week draft while the knicks already loaded with young players would likely have to trade that pick at some point just for roster flexibility isn't really much of an asset

Do you consider Grimes and IQ to be assets?

Because that Charlotte pick is pretty much on par with them as an asset. IQ's value is probably a bit higher, but still.

Is this a joke? Grimes and IQ have shown they can be contributors in this league, they are much higher assets than a late 1st in a weak draft, Grimes in this years draft would probably be ten to 15 range, and IQ based on his play would be top 10

[Clyde_Style]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

Definitely grimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d honestly rolll with Cam at pg!!!!!!!!!!!???

Cam
Grimes
Rj
Zion
Stretch 5

And fill the rest of the roster with good 3&D players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oi drongo,

Stop fscking shouting ya dingos donger.

I can hear you all the way in the Outback ya mongrel.

The wanker scrawls them marks like a mothership farting roos into Sydney Harbour

[Deeeez Knicks]

It's really a minor move. If he doesnt work out its not a big deal. But we need something to talk about.

[Chanel Bomber]

Also, the Hawks are betting on addition by subtraction.

They think they can be better without Reddish's minutes. And they probably will be.

That's a red flag.

I'm pretty confident you are wrong on this, the hawks traded him because they weren't going to sign him long term..they also have higher priced vets making a lot of money that are getting playing time over him to begin with..nothing to do with red flags, but again, as I stated before, the knicks got him for free. if they traded Grimes for him, that would have been a different story

A protected first round pick is not "for free".

Grimes was a late first round draft pick. You're trading away something that's the equivalent of Grimes for an inefficient young player who's soon going to be eligible for an extension, and who wants a bigger role. That's the formula.

If Reddish becomes a positive contributor within the next 18 months, that changes everything. I don't think there's any reason to be confident that he will, but you never know.

[Fury]

Zion has shown nothing but being overweight and injury prone, hence he makes perfect sense for him to be the first superstar to actually wind up in NY, he won't play more than 20 games as a full maxed 350 pound PF...it's destined to happen

And if he does end up being healthy? Do you really want to pass up on the first fat superstar since Barkley?

We literally had to give up another fat ass, cuz he said he couldnt play in ny cuz it smelled like food. Do you legit think zion could control himself in such an enviroment?

He'll eat opposing teams alive

[snadler]

It's really a minor move. If he doesnt work out its not a big deal. But we need something to talk about.

Yep, knicks gave up nothing in hopes what they get could turn into something, while what they gave up they already know is never going be anything

[Deeeez Knicks]

i'm under the impression that this move is far less significant than the vast majority of us are making it out to be.

we traded a water cooler and a future gleague mvp for a guy who will likely be theo pinson 2.0

am i disappointed? not really. am i looking forward towards another full day of trolling the absolute **** out of my knicks family? you better goddamn believe it folks!!

Yea, that's what I was just saying.

[Chanel Bomber]

Also, the Hawks are betting on addition by subtraction.

They think they can be better without Reddish's minutes. And they probably will be.

That's a red flag.

Imma send you a Gift Card for Saks or Bloomingdale's.

You need a shopping spree.

I'm against volume consumption actually, so I'm picky about what I buy

But I did buy some new clothes during the holidays, including some Knicks gear from Extra Butter