2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[KnixinSix]

It would likely take RJ + IQ + Mitch + picks to get Spida.... let's not fool ourselves. It's a steep price to pay but Spida is an elite talent. I think Spida would fit better next to Brunson and Randle than he does next to Garland and Mobley but I'm not sure the three of those guys can get good enough defensively as a unit to really contend. It's possible if the other 2 guys next to them are defensive stalwarts. Very possible, actually.

That is why I would do that trade with fewer picks. We could find the 3&D SF and stretch C later. Those are the "easy" parts to fill. It's not every day when a top 30 guy wants to come to NY badly. Randle for Zion could be there later if we ever want to visit that as well but that can wait. Bird in a hand...

No it wouldn't. Thats way too much. They get one of RJ or IQ whoever they like better. Potentially Grimes an elite defender and still growing and/or Robinson and then the picks.

[DaGawd]

It was actually only 4 picks, sir. I expect a correction

Markkanen is a gem, but the picks are too many. He is also not for us, but you should put more thought into your words or he’ll make you look bad. People here talked like this about Sabonis too. Fox. KAT. Siakam. I’m sure there are many more. Trae Young is another one of those but that talk at least hasn’t backfired yet.

Markenen is to me almost a perfect fit here. He can play all frontcourt spots and is an improved defender.

1. More efficient shooter than RJ Barrett

2. Can play 3 positions and 2 that are a fairly big need. Stretch 5 and backup to Randle at PF. Can replace some of RJs Minutes at SF.

3. Allow Hart to play more 3 where he is a better fit than 4 or 5.

4. Plays defense, rebounds and can hit the 3.



The trade: Mitchell Robinson, Quickley, Sims, Fournier and 3-4 picks for Markenen and Kelly Olynyk. Ainge is in full tank mode and wants picks most and a young player or 2 to flip:


Rough Minutes distribution :

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (10), Olynyk (8)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Hart(30), Markenen (10), Grimes (8)

Donovan Mitchell (23), DDV (17), Grimes (8)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (10), DDV (4)


We STILL have more picks and assets to also do......

RJ, Grimes and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan can play 1 or 2 and we have the taller DD to complement him.



Rough minutes distribution:

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (8), Olynyk (10)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Hart(30), Markenen (12), DDV (6)

DMitch (23), DDV (25)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (10), McBride (4)


Elite scoring lineup:

Markenen
Randle
Hart
DMitch
Brunson


3 Ball small ball lineup:

Markenen
Randle
DDV
DMitch
Brunson


Big/Rebounding lineup:

Hartenstein
Randle/Olynyk
Markenen
Hart
DMtich/Brunson


Balanced lineup:

Hartenstein /Olynyk
Randle
Markenen
DDV/Hart
DMtich/Brunson

this guy lol

[KnixinSix]

Markkanen is a gem, but the picks are too many. He is also not for us, but you should put more thought into your words or he’ll make you look bad. People here talked like this about Sabonis too. Fox. KAT. Siakam. I’m sure there are many more. Trae Young is another one of those but that talk at least hasn’t backfired yet.

Markenen is to me almost a perfect fit here. He can play all frontcourt spots and is an improved defender.

1. More efficient shooter than RJ Barrett

2. Can play 3 positions and 2 that are a fairly big need. Stretch 5 and backup to Randle at PF. Can replace some of RJs Minutes at SF.

3. Allow Hart to play more 3 where he is a better fit than 4 or 5.

4. Plays defense, rebounds and can hit the 3.



The trade: Mitchell Robinson, Quickley, Sims, Fournier and 3-4 picks for Markenen and Kelly Olynyk. Ainge is in full tank mode and wants picks most and a young player or 2 to flip:


Rough Minutes distribution :

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (10), Olynyk (8)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Hart(30), Markenen (10), Grimes (8)

Donovan Mitchell (23), DDV (17), Grimes (8)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (10), DDV (4)


We STILL have more picks and assets to also do......

RJ, Grimes and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan can play 1 or 2 and we have the taller DD to complement him.



Rough minutes distribution:

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (8), Olynyk (10)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Hart(30), Markenen (12), DDV (6)

DMitch (23), DDV (25)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (10), McBride (4)


Elite scoring lineup:

Markenen
Randle
Hart
DMitch
Brunson


3 Ball small ball lineup:

Markenen
Randle
DDV
DMitch
Brunson


Big/Rebounding lineup:

Hartenstein
Randle/Olynyk
Markenen
Hart
DMtich/Brunson


Balanced lineup:

Hartenstein /Olynyk
Randle
Markenen
DDV/Hart
DMtich/Brunson

this guy lol

Neither trade is unfair. In fact the RJ Grimes + 3 picks was the supposed Ainge asking price. And he has only 1.5 seasons left of cost control . He has made it clear he wants NY. The Markenen price is also very fair.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Lauri has never played in a playoff game, he doesn’t contribute to winning basketball. Very overrated. Anybody who gives 5 picks for him is mental

It was actually only 4 picks, sir. I expect a correction

Markkanen is a gem, but the picks are too many. He is also not for us, but you should put more thought into your words or he’ll make you look bad. People here talked like this about Sabonis too. Fox. KAT. Siakam. I’m sure there are many more. Trae Young is another one of those but that talk at least hasn’t backfired yet.

My biggest fear with those protect picks is that the wizards and pistons ones won’t convey and don’t really have any value in a star trade. So even if using all of them is an overpay for a starting level player like Markkanen is better than not being able to use them at all. Otherwise we’re counting on both of those teams being outside the top 10 in a couple years and there’s no guarantee of that.

[RHODEY]

DMitch has a decent wingspan and his D is underrated. The guy has defensive ability, he has just focused more on the offensive side. With Brunson and Julius (if RJ goes) and even Quickley, he will likely get back to playing more D under Thibs. You have both DD and Grimes as taller 2's to complement him.

DD and Grimes are smaller 2's.....and the only over cover is Mitch so.....

Both are 6'4 and are 'taller' 2s compared to Quickley and DMitch. 6'4 is right about decent height for a 2 in todays NBA.

You have 3 out of 5 players your lineup that would require cover and are relying on an injury prone Mitch Robinson and 2 undersized shooting guards -who will already have their hands full to do it. ...that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

I'd rather wait for the right player than commit to an even more unbalanced roster.

[sol537]

DD and Grimes are smaller 2's.....and the only over cover is Mitch so.....

Both are 6'4 and are 'taller' 2s compared to Quickley and DMitch. 6'4 is right about decent height for a 2 in todays NBA.

You have 3 out of 5 players your lineup that would require cover and are relying on an injury prone Mitch Robinson and 2 undersized shooting guards -who will already have their hands full to do it. ...that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

I'd rather wait for the right player than commit to an even more unbalanced roster.

If you have Brunson, Spida, and Randle as your "core" then you can find a 6'8" 3&D guy and a stretch 5 later to fill the gaps. Getting the "big 3" is the hardest part... filling out with the right role players is easier.

For example, you can keep iHart as your starting 5 and trade Mitch Rob to get a stretch big in return who can play 24 mins off the bench or draft one. Same goes for the SF... trade some of the remaining assets for a guy like OG or Tre Murphy or Hunter... or draft a couple of 3&D guys.

iHart / Stretch
Randle
Hunter / Hart
Spida / Grimes
Brunson / DDV

...pretty nasty...

[thebuzzardman]

Time is a flat circle. Discussing the Donovan Mitchell trade again

[RHODEY]

Time is a flat circle. Discussing the Donovan Mitchell trade again

Hey aren't you the guy everybody missing? Don't ruin a good thing...stay gone ...kidding.

[KnixinSix]

Time is a flat circle. Discussing the Donovan Mitchell trade again

Hey aren't you the guy everybody missing? Don't ruin a good thing...stay gone ...kidding.

Well interesting you say this....the PR game begins. Team releasing a statement if Mitchell says he wants to leave publicly we may accommodate him. This is a classic 'save face" move and look like well we have to trade him because he is asking out. They never made this proclaimation before so this tells me there is most definitely a possibility of this happening....

Cleveland Cavaliers have expressed no inclination to discuss Donovan Mitchell trades at this point, sources tell Zach Lowe of ESPN. Lowe adds that position may not change "unless Mitchell expresses some imminent unhappiness in Cleveland."

There is a common perception in league circles that Mitchell will eventually leave the Cavaliers either via trade or free agency in 2025.

Mitchell is most commonly linked with the New York Knicks, Brooklyn Nets and Miami Heat should he leave the Cavaliers.

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[KnixinSix]

Both are 6'4 and are 'taller' 2s compared to Quickley and DMitch. 6'4 is right about decent height for a 2 in todays NBA.

You have 3 out of 5 players your lineup that would require cover and are relying on an injury prone Mitch Robinson and 2 undersized shooting guards -who will already have their hands full to do it. ...that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

I'd rather wait for the right player than commit to an even more unbalanced roster.

If you have Brunson, Spida, and Randle as your "core" then you can find a 6'8" 3&D guy and a stretch 5 later to fill the gaps. Getting the "big 3" is the hardest part... filling out with the right role players is easier.

For example, you can keep iHart as your starting 5 and trade Mitch Rob to get a stretch big in return who can play 24 mins off the bench or draft one. Same goes for the SF... trade some of the remaining assets for a guy like OG or Tre Murphy or Hunter... or draft a couple of 3&D guys.

iHart / Stretch
Randle
Hunter / Hart
Spida / Grimes
Brunson / DDV

...pretty nasty...

Markenen bro Markenen....lol ....we DO have enough pieces for 2 trades.

[RHODEY]

You have 3 out of 5 players your lineup that would require cover and are relying on an injury prone Mitch Robinson and 2 undersized shooting guards -who will already have their hands full to do it. ...that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

I'd rather wait for the right player than commit to an even more unbalanced roster.

If you have Brunson, Spida, and Randle as your "core" then you can find a 6'8" 3&D guy and a stretch 5 later to fill the gaps. Getting the "big 3" is the hardest part... filling out with the right role players is easier.

For example, you can keep iHart as your starting 5 and trade Mitch Rob to get a stretch big in return who can play 24 mins off the bench or draft one. Same goes for the SF... trade some of the remaining assets for a guy like OG or Tre Murphy or Hunter... or draft a couple of 3&D guys.

iHart / Stretch
Randle
Hunter / Hart
Spida / Grimes
Brunson / DDV

...pretty nasty...

Markenen bro Markenen....lol ....we DO have enough pieces for 2 trades.

Not for those 2. Ainge wants what he wanted for Mitchell....I say go get Markenen first but since its AInge....

[Dude-niagara]

Trade for Pascal Siakam and have Randle play the 5

[Snacks]

Trade for Pascal Siakam and have Randle play the 5

Funny, I would have Randle or Siakam play the 5 depending on the mastchup-
Pascal can also play the 4 to give Randle a blow (pause)-
but he can play also play and guard the 3.
I think he's the perfect piece for us b/c of his versatility --
He and BigMeetch would be a terror.

However, he's not that guy, and I'm not sure we can get him and Spida.

[Snacks]

I'd rather wait for the right player than commit to an even more unbalanced roster.

If you have Brunson, Spida, and Randle as your "core" then you can find a 6'8" 3&D guy and a stretch 5 later to fill the gaps. Getting the "big 3" is the hardest part... filling out with the right role players is easier.

The bottom line Rhodey is that posters of my or sol's ilk don't necessarily disagree with your point that Spida isn't the most perfect fit for this iteration of the knicks, and a certain player xxxx would be better.

What we're saying is there is no player xxxx. I believe we must move on to a team with two ultra efficient 3 level scorers and a big man that can rebound, pass, and score in the paint. This is a way forward -- get more role players to match up with Hart and Meetch, and there is a path forward to a championship.

If we could get a Kawhi Leonard that could play the next 3 years averaging 65 games a year/////or if we could get Embiid or the Freak/// I wouldn't be hoping and praying for a Spida trade.

[Richard4444]

Time is a flat circle. Discussing the Donovan Mitchell trade again

Let's discuss the Melo and the KP trade now!

[RHODEY]

I'd rather wait for the right player than commit to an even more unbalanced roster.

If you have Brunson, Spida, and Randle as your "core" then you can find a 6'8" 3&D guy and a stretch 5 later to fill the gaps. Getting the "big 3" is the hardest part... filling out with the right role players is easier.

The bottom line Rhodey is that posters of my or sol's ilk don't necessarily disagree with your point that Spida isn't the most perfect fit for this iteration of the knicks, and a certain player xxxx would be better.

What we're saying is there is no player xxxx. I believe we must move on to a team with two ultra efficient 3 level scorers and a big man that can rebound, pass, and score in the paint. This is a way forward -- get more role players to match up with Hart and Meetch, and there is a path forward to a championship.

If we could get a Kawhi Leonard that could play the next 3 years averaging 65 games a year/////or if we could get Embiid or the Freak/// I wouldn't be hoping and praying for a Spida trade.

I hear you and if we do get him I hope Im wrong.

[Dude-niagara]

Trade for Pascal Siakam and have Randle play the 5

Funny, I would have Randle or Siakam play the 5 depending on the mastchup-
Pascal can also play the 4 to give Randle a blow (pause)-
but he can play also play and guard the 3.
I think he's the perfect piece for us b/c of his versatility --
He and BigMeetch would be a terror.

However, he's not that guy, and I'm not sure we can get him and Spida.

Pascal has played every position but SG,

[moocow007]

If you have Brunson, Spida, and Randle as your "core" then you can find a 6'8" 3&D guy and a stretch 5 later to fill the gaps. Getting the "big 3" is the hardest part... filling out with the right role players is easier.

For example, you can keep iHart as your starting 5 and trade Mitch Rob to get a stretch big in return who can play 24 mins off the bench or draft one. Same goes for the SF... trade some of the remaining assets for a guy like OG or Tre Murphy or Hunter... or draft a couple of 3&D guys.

iHart / Stretch
Randle
Hunter / Hart
Spida / Grimes
Brunson / DDV

...pretty nasty...

Markenen bro Markenen....lol ....we DO have enough pieces for 2 trades.

Not for those 2. Ainge wants what he wanted for Mitchell....I say go get Markenen first but since its AInge....

Yeah. I can’t see Ainge demanding anything but premium for Markenen considering how well he’s playing.

[KNICKFAN374]

Lakers are in desperate need of shooting, how about a deal centered around Rui for Fournier? Rui can be traded next month, he can give us some backup PF minutes. What draft capital would we need to entice LAL to do this? Fournier expiring so if it doesn't work for LAL it's not a long term commitment for them.

[thebuzzardman]

Time is a flat circle. Discussing the Donovan Mitchell trade again

Hey aren't you the guy everybody missing? Don't ruin a good thing...stay gone ...kidding.

Don't call it a comeback!!!