Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread

[NewEra]

As someone mentioned before, Deandre Jordan and KP pairing would be sick. One day ima do it.

[pelifan]

thats a ridiculous silly comment. Any stat in a vacuum doesn't make sense. If you are extrapolating per 36 from a guy who plays 10 minutes sure. That is dumb

But per 36 for guys like Jokic and Embiid is far far from dumb...that comment

Gotta consider things like stamina. To me per36 is only useful in comparing a guy who play 34 minutes to a guy who plays 40+. Otherwise role and rotations need to be considered. You are acting like a 50% minute increase isn't a big deal. It's totally different to ask a guy to put up 14 in 25 vs 20 in 36. It's easy to be efficient doing the former, much harder to do for the latter.

Why dont you guise look at per poss instead of per 36?

I go by per 100 poss in general, but out of context per 36 makes half the players in the league look like superstars.

[mpharris36]

per 36 numbers are dumb as hell.

thats a ridiculous silly comment. Any stat in a vacuum doesn't make sense. If you are extrapolating per 36 from a guy who plays 10 minutes sure. That is dumb

But per 36 for guys like Jokic and Embiid is far far from dumb...that comment

Gotta consider things like stamina. To me per36 is only useful in comparing a guy who play 34 minutes to a guy who plays 40+. Otherwise role and rotations need to be considered. You are acting like a 50% minute increase isn't a big deal. It's totally different to ask a guy to put up 14 in 25 vs 20 in 36. It's easy to be efficient doing the former, much harder to do for the latter.

but you are not taking into consideration the funky rotations the nuggets had early in the season. Over the last month Jokic has been playing 30+ minutes and has been just as if not more effective. The first month of the season the nuggets were giving him weird minutes. In the last month and a half he has been playing nearly 30+ a night...so Jokic is actually the perfect candidate to use per 36. Since you would be silly to knock his early season number when for some reason they were playing him 20 minutes a game.

over the past month he has been avg over 20 ppg in 30 minutes...so I don't get your point with Jokic. I'm not coming up with fake numbers. I'm saying his per 36 is important since his role has increase to close to 30+ minutes a night. I'm not giving you per 36 of a guy who never plays close to 36 a night. He is checking off every single qualification you have because he's proven it over the last month.

[magnumt]

My squad last time had Griffin Jokic and someone someone on the same team and we lost to a team with klay Thompson and scrubs I don't care about what judges think and rather we sim or just do a peer vote cause them judges are ass

id prefer a sim, rather than a peer vote

For sure!

We need a SIM portion at the end of this.. Said that last BAT too. It's more unbiased and fair to everyone.

--Mags

[pelifan]

thats a ridiculous silly comment. Any stat in a vacuum doesn't make sense. If you are extrapolating per 36 from a guy who plays 10 minutes sure. That is dumb

But per 36 for guys like Jokic and Embiid is far far from dumb...that comment

Gotta consider things like stamina. To me per36 is only useful in comparing a guy who play 34 minutes to a guy who plays 40+. Otherwise role and rotations need to be considered. You are acting like a 50% minute increase isn't a big deal. It's totally different to ask a guy to put up 14 in 25 vs 20 in 36. It's easy to be efficient doing the former, much harder to do for the latter.

but you are not taking into consideration the funky rotations the nuggets had early in the season. Over the last month Jokic has been playing 30+ minutes and has been just as if not more effective. The first month of the season the nuggets were giving him weird minutes. In the last month and a half he has been playing nearly 30+ a night...so Jokic is actually the perfect candidate to use per 36. Since you would be silly to knock his early season number when for some reason they were playing him 20 minutes a game.

over the past month he has been avg over 20 ppg in 30 minutes...so I don't get your point with Jokic. I'm not coming up with fake numbers. I'm saying his per 36 is important since his role has increase to close to 30+ minutes a night. I'm not giving you per 36 of a guy who never plays close to 36 a night. He is checking off every single qualification you have because he's proven it over the last month.

Then why not just post those numbers since december. Per 36 is wack as already stated.

[pelifan]

My squad last time had Griffin Jokic and someone someone on the same team and we lost to a team with klay Thompson and scrubs I don't care about what judges think and rather we sim or just do a peer vote cause them judges are ass

id prefer a sim, rather than a peer vote

For sure!

We need a SIM portion at the end of this.. Said that last BAT too. It's more unbiased and fair to everyone.

--Mags

Winning the sim is for losers,

signed
the winner of the last sim

[mpharris36]

I go by per 100 poss in general, but out of context per 36 makes half the players in the league look like superstars.

Ok if you go by per 100 possession. Jokic is only rated #1 in the NBA for offensive rating.

[El Poochio]

He doesn't play next to them now. Asik and Ajinca racking up DNPs. Also Turner in the same sentence as Asick and Ajinca.

AD should play the 4 dude. He plays center right now. In his best season in the league he spent the majority of his time at pf.

Deluded pelifan, as clueless as his front office who wants Dwight Howard, dont mind me please I am just pissed I never get the chance to build a small ball team around AD

Yea I've just watched 95% of Pelicans games this season what do I know. He's spent 68% of his minutes at center this season, it's not working out great for los pelicanos. Not to mention guys like Cousins, Gasol and some others that haven't been picked yet still give him trouble when he has to guard them because he has a high center of gravity.

Pelicans went to AD at 5 but too late, and they looked a decent team with that but they lost too many games already from the start continuing the horrible experiment of Ajinca Asik next to AD I bet he craves to play with one former Eddy Curry and current Eddy Curry in his team, Pelicans look a more decent team now despite lack of consistent support due to AD at 5 but the damage is already done, injuries helped too as always. Gentry has been a huge disappointment for me since his arrival from Ws

I read the Knicks fans opinions here who watch as much games as me thats not a good point

[pelifan]

I go by per 100 poss in general, but out of context per 36 makes half the players in the league look like superstars.

Ok if you go by per 100 possession. Jokic is only rated #1 in the NBA for offensive rating.

I like Jokic, show me where I said I didn't.

100 possessions has its flaws too though.

Can't assume more minutes means a scaled increase in performance, especially for a player like Jokic.

[mpharris36]

Then why not just post those numbers since december. Per 36 is wack as already stated.

23.2 ppg
11 reb
4.8 assists
1 block
1 steal
61 fg%
82 ft%

in 30 minutes a game.

I used per 36 to show that this isn't a 6 or 7 game fluke in jan. This is what he would be averaging if he playing 30 minutes all season. If used properly its effective to show a young player with an increased role over a period of time.

[NewEra]

Damn my mock draft says both my targets will be taken before 68.... but I've been wrong before.

[pelifan]

Deluded pelifan, as clueless as his front office who wants Dwight Howard, dont mind me please I am just pissed I never get the chance to build a small ball team around AD

Yea I've just watched 95% of Pelicans games this season what do I know. He's spent 68% of his minutes at center this season, it's not working out great for los pelicanos. Not to mention guys like Cousins, Gasol and some others that haven't been picked yet still give him trouble when he has to guard them because he has a high center of gravity.

Pelicans went to AD at 5 but too late, and they looked a decent team with that but they lost too many games already from the start continuing the horrible experiment of Ajinca Asik next to AD I bet he craves to play with one former Eddy Curry and current Eddy Curry in his team, Pelicans look a more decent team now despite lack of consistent support due to AD at 5 but the damage is already done, injuries helped too as always. Gentry has been a huge disappointment for me since his arrival from Ws

I read the Knicks fans opinions here who watch as much games as me thats not a good point

That has nothing to do with them being centers mate. It's because Asik and Ajinca are hot garbage.

[pelifan]

Then why not just post those numbers since december. Per 36 is wack as already stated.

23.2 ppg
11 reb
4.8 assists
1 block
1 steal
61 fg%
82 ft%

in 30 minutes a game.

I used per 36 to show that this isn't a 6 or 7 game fluke in december. This is what he would be averaging if he playing 30 minutes all season. If used properly its effective to show a young player with an increased role over a period of time.

Just use his 18 games since the start of december not a 6 game stretch in January, more convincing argument especially because that's the point in the season he started getting stable minutes.

You could also just use his numbers as starting center, those are nice as well.

[mpharris36]

Just use his 18 games since the start of december not a 6 game stretch in January, more convincing argument especially because that's the point in the season he started getting stable minutes.

his per 36 pretty much mirror that stretch that is why I used it. I don't see the issue as long as you back up why you used that stat.

It's not like I was per 36 some bench player that playing 8 minutes a game...let put things in context here.

[Fury]

Damnit where is MP

[pelifan]

Just use his 18 games since the start of december not a 6 game stretch in January, more convincing argument especially because that's the point in the season he started getting stable minutes.

his per 36 pretty much mirror that stretch that is why I used it. I don't see the issue as long as you back up why you used that stat.

It's not like I was per 36 some bench player that playing 8 minutes a game...let put things in context here.

Maybe just use his numbers for games played on a monday clearly the best day of the week for Jokic. Jokic does not hate Mondays. Promise to play all your games on that day.

[j4remi]

3 players I want...three gm's that usually pick well...I'm gonna be upset soon.

[AmazingJason]

Damnit where is MP

He's too busy reminiscing about when dudes used to make quick picks

[El Poochio]

Yea I've just watched 95% of Pelicans games this season what do I know. He's spent 68% of his minutes at center this season, it's not working out great for los pelicanos. Not to mention guys like Cousins, Gasol and some others that haven't been picked yet still give him trouble when he has to guard them because he has a high center of gravity.

Pelicans went to AD at 5 but too late, and they looked a decent team with that but they lost too many games already from the start continuing the horrible experiment of Ajinca Asik next to AD I bet he craves to play with one former Eddy Curry and current Eddy Curry in his team, Pelicans look a more decent team now despite lack of consistent support due to AD at 5 but the damage is already done, injuries helped too as always. Gentry has been a huge disappointment for me since his arrival from Ws

I read the Knicks fans opinions here who watch as much games as me thats not a good point

That has nothing to do with them being centers mate. It's because Asik and Ajinca are hot garbage.

Ok if you need this incredible center to maximize AD I hope he joins KP in due time

[Knicksfan20]

I'm of a different belief...yes, this is fantasy land, but the point of "REALgm" is to make a competition like this as REAL as possible. We're judging this as a win-now for this season based on the progression/regression of the current NBA. Why wouldn't injuries be taken into consideration? Why should I judge a Derrick Rose any differently based on his injury history, than potentially a guy like Rudy Gay who is now out for the year, but never had injury concerns? Obviously injury history plays its role, but I don't believe I should excuse a players current injury status because it's "not fair" to the GM who selected him. Anybody feel bad for Doc Rivers and the Clippers for Chris Paul's upcoming 1-2 month absence? Should the rest of the NBA play the games with Raymond Felton's in-game sliders turned up to CP3's attributes? Injuries happen and they should be factored.

Yes, a 6th round pick doesn't make up for a 1st or 2nd round loss...but it does help and allows them to at least add a piece to help offset some of that. They keep the player who was drafted initially. Depending on when the injury occurs, you factor that players contributions during the regular season up until that point. But why should I be judging a team in a playoff series playing a player who is out for the playoffs? God forbid a scenario in which one of these players dies in-season...do I judge his team as if he were still alive?

Let's just give the title who ever Lucked out with LeBron then and call this BAT now. I didn't see it was judged solely on one year as I joined as the 29th overall GM, but to only be graded for 1 season doesn't make a lot of sense. It should have a heavy affect on grading, being able to win/compete now...but basically make it hard to win on everyone else