Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II

[digitaldropoff]

Whether Phil was just playing games with KP or not, he's completely mismanaged the entire Melo situation that he himself created, and the whole KP followed that mess into the offseason. His picks of coaches, the miserable signing of Noah. KP can be soft all he wants, Phil Jackson has damaged what already was a down franchise. The whole notion that he's now looking to "rebuild" a couple years after he actually gets the job is just sad.

[Clyde Frazier]

Read on Twitter

Begley telling it like it is.

[click to read it in full]

[duetta]

The kid just isn't mentally tough. Let's just hope he can come close Pau Gasol's productivity.

I don't think this has anything to do with mental toughness. I think this kid means business, and I think the Knicks are right to worry about whether he's a fit a long-term, given how pathetic we've been long-term. He will not stay past year five unless we get our act together.

Sure, his game has PLENTY of room to grow - but he's not content with losing, much less tanking in perpetuity.

Porzingis' problem right now is that he lacks the technique necessary to be an alpha scorer - but he's not shy about taking shots at the beginning of a game. This guy takes threes that make you think that he has no conscience (which is, of course, the mark of an alpha scorer).

He just needs to upgrade his skill across the board, particularly in the mid-range and low-post games.

Is Porzingis immature? Yes, and he's also 21.

Is he insanely talented? Yes.

Is he demonstrating the work ethic necessary to become an elite player? Yes.

[dakomish23]

Whether Phil was just playing games with KP or not, he's completely mismanaged the entire Melo situation that he himself created, and the whole KP followed that mess into the offseason. His picks of coaches, the miserable signing of Noah. KP can be soft all he wants, Phil Jackson has damaged what already was a down franchise. The whole notion that he's now looking to "rebuild" a couple years after he actually gets the job is just sad.

Yep, yep and yep.

[dakomish23]

Read on Twitter

Begley telling it like it is.

[click to read it in full]

Exactly. The kid is not the reason FAs don't want to come here. If anything he's one of the few selling points we have after 3 years of PJax management.

Hoping Frank can be another. After PJax is gone maybe we can run like a normal franchise and folks will want to be a part of the next great Knicks team.

[DOLPHIN2020]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/06/kristaps-porzingis-talks-off-season-and-obsession-with-the-game

Not sure this was posted earlier, interesting video. I am not sure how to embed a file.

[Fat Kat]

The kid just isn't mentally tough. Let's just hope he can come close Pau Gasol's productivity.

I don't think this has anything to do with mental toughness. I think this kid means business, and I think the Knicks are right to worry about whether he's a fit a long-term, given how pathetic we've been long-term. He will not stay past year five unless we get our act together.

Sure, his game has PLENTY of room to grow - but he's not content with losing, much less tanking in perpetuity.

Porzingis' problem right now is that he lacks the technique necessary to be an alpha scorer - but he's not shy about taking shots at the beginning of a game. This guy takes threes that make you think that he has no conscience (which is, of course, the mark of an alpha scorer).

He just needs to upgrade his skill across the board, particularly in the mid-range and low-post games.

Is Porzingis immature? Yes, and he's also 21.

Is he insanely talented? Yes.

Is he demonstrating the work ethic necessary to become an elite player? Yes.

If KP meant business, he'd go to management and air out his concerns. What are his concerns exactly? This is classic behavior of a kid that not only lacks mental toughness, but character. Forget about him ever being an alpha.

It goes past immaturity. Right now, he's a key player in the team's supposed dysfunction.

[jmort]

It seems like people are actually taken in by the Ubermensch act but they absolutely can't be... it's so transparent as to be comical. Two lightweights who floated up on the winds of chance, ditzbags extraordinaire, so phenomenally insecure as to feel the need to play off dumba*s twitter misspellings as inside jokes, neither one even capable of stitching a coherent thought together at this point, sh*tstorms of complete and total incompetence that even the marginally tuned-in saw coming from miles away. The only conclusion can be that it's not about the would-be Ubermenschen per se but about the deranged projections of their acolytes, slobbering at the fantasy of their chosen bull sticking it again and again to all who have slighted them -- and in a way, the fact that the guy turns out to be dildo-fu*king their own wives rather than their enemies (that can wait!) makes it all the better, as their devotion thus becomes a yet more effective demonstration of their fealty, an even smellier sh*tpie in the face of the Intellectual Elites who find it so strange that someone might enjoy watching your own wife get done like that. F*ck! F*ck! F*ck! F*ck! MKGA! MKGA! MKGA! MKGA!

[DowNY]

WHEN IS PORZINGIS WORKING OUT WITH DIRK!!?!??! That's all I wanna know. They said this summer. I'm waiting.

[symbiotic]

The Knicks are looking like the United Nations with a French guard, American SF, Latvian PF, Spanish C, and maybe a Serbian SG.

Carmelo Anthony will be gone with Maurice N'Dour of Senegal getting major minutes. So now the United Nations team is complete!

The board RAVED about Maurice N'Dour during the 2015 Summer League.

[MP4LIFE]

The Knicks are looking like the United Nations with a French guard, American SF, Latvian PF, Spanish C, and maybe a Serbian SG.

Carmelo Anthony will be gone with Maurice N'Dour of Senegal getting major minutes. So now the United Nations team is complete!

The board RAVED about Maurice N'Dour during the 2015 Summer League.

The guy hasn't been the same since his serious injury.

[GONYK]

The kid just isn't mentally tough. Let's just hope he can come close Pau Gasol's productivity.

I don't think this has anything to do with mental toughness. I think this kid means business, and I think the Knicks are right to worry about whether he's a fit a long-term, given how pathetic we've been long-term. He will not stay past year five unless we get our act together.

Sure, his game has PLENTY of room to grow - but he's not content with losing, much less tanking in perpetuity.

Porzingis' problem right now is that he lacks the technique necessary to be an alpha scorer - but he's not shy about taking shots at the beginning of a game. This guy takes threes that make you think that he has no conscience (which is, of course, the mark of an alpha scorer).

He just needs to upgrade his skill across the board, particularly in the mid-range and low-post games.

Is Porzingis immature? Yes, and he's also 21.

Is he insanely talented? Yes.

Is he demonstrating the work ethic necessary to become an elite player? Yes.

If KP meant business, he'd go to management and air out his concerns. What are his concerns exactly? This is classic behavior of a kid that not only lacks mental toughness, but character. Forget about him ever being an alpha.

It goes past immaturity. Right now, he's a key player in the team's supposed dysfunction.

I agree.

I'm terms of Phil's tenure, most of his criticism has stemmed from Phil being overly honest in his communication.

If KP had a legitimate grievance, he should have aired it by now. If there is one thing Phil wants to do, it's talk.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Who are these free agents that aren't coming here that were coming before?
I hate this narrative.
Who'd we miss out on? Greg Monroe? Lamarcus Aldridge? David West?
People not wanting to come here is nothing new.
Grant Hill, C-Webb, etc.

[kongzilla]

It seems like people are actually taken in by the Ubermensch act but they absolutely can't be... it's so transparent as to be comical. Two lightweights who floated up on the winds of chance, ditzbags extraordinaire, so phenomenally insecure as to feel the need to play off dumba*s twitter misspellings as inside jokes, neither one even capable of stitching a coherent thought together at this point, sh*tstorms of complete and total incompetence that even the marginally tuned-in saw coming from miles away. The only conclusion can be that it's not about the would-be Ubermenschen per se but about the deranged projections of their acolytes, slobbering at the fantasy of their chosen bull sticking it again and again to all who have slighted them -- and in a way, the fact that the guy turns out to be dildo-fu*king their own wives rather than their enemies (that can wait!) makes it all the better, as their devotion thus becomes a yet more effective demonstration of their fealty, an even smellier sh*tpie in the face of the Intellectual Elites who find it so strange that someone might enjoy watching your own wife get done like that. F*ck! F*ck! F*ck! F*ck! MKGA! MKGA! MKGA! MKGA!

Bath Salts?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Last I checked...in a real man's world...KP IS A BITCH!

[duetta]

So Jimmy and his blues band play their gigs while Jackson continues to preside over his own blues band. Jackson wrings his hands and says that he’s never had a player blow off an exit meeting, and conveniently forgets – or just forgets – that Shaquille O’Neal once did the same thing to him.

So Shaq once did the same thing to the Zen master that Zen master says never happened. Senility?

Did Jackson have a right to be upset that Porzingis blew him off? Sure he did. And was probably just as upset that Porzingis was expressing frustration about Phil’s master plan, which mostly involves getting to the next plan. Already he has given the kid three coaches in two years in the NBA, none of whom is going to the Hall of Fame; surrounded him with stars like ‘Melo that Jackson doesn’t want, and broken-down ex-Chicago Bulls.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/porzingis-phil-long-haul-knicks-article-1.3275420

[MadGrinch]

this seems to me to much ado about nothing
PJAX puts out that kp missed an exit meeting in april and he gets calls to see if he wants to trade the youngster

he doesnt

the mavs are rumored to want the same guy jackson wants and are in trade talks with the team directly in front of the knicks to trade picks

the media is all of a sudden privy to phil taking markkanan out to dinner and that phil could decide to replace KP with markkanen

trade talks between the mavs and twolves die....and the twolves trade the rights to markanen and 2 other players for jimmy butler

coincidence or well played by phil jackson as he gets the player he wanted and seemingly put a bit of a scare into porzingis at the same time for an insubordinate action 2 months ago

personally i am past it and am far more interested in who phil targets in free agency

I truly believe it was by design. And the insubordinate behavior continues btw (you can't shoot your boss a reply text...for months?). I'm looking forward to what KP has to say tomorrow. Seems like he's lost an appreciation for what he has because of what's happening with Melo. I hope I'm wrong.

to me porzingis was being petty but at the same time , this is why he has an agent , when he doesnt want to talk to management , his agent did , he is on vacation/hiatus so he can do what he likes at this time , NBA players get paid during the season and its clearly been over for 2 months now , he is not contractually obligated to speak with them at this time and melo is the reason why its fine or even if its because they fired his favorite asst. coach its ok , as long as he comes into camp ready to work and help the knicks get better he can throw all the behind closed doors hissy fits he wants .

because the moment he doesnt handle business between nov-through april(hopefully beyound with playoffs) no one is going to care about how many texts he returns or went went down in exit meetings .

as long as jackson and porzingis do that all this other stuff is just clickbait.

[Crunchknicks1]

Prozingis need to man up. He was part of the problem last year. Bad D at times lost in the middle of the year. Hurt late. He needs to grow up everyone from his draft class in the top 7 teams sucks. It take time get your ass in the gym get better in every aspect. Then pull a Odell your not on that level yet

[digitaldropoff]

I really don't know how anyone is on the side of Jackson on anything, including the KP situation.....given how poorly he's done things as a whole during his only tenure as a FO guy. The trades, the coaching staff, the signings.....I mean come on, how does anyone defend the guy in the least? No one needs to go all Stephen A Smith, but he's closer to being right than anyone saying it's KP's fault for not clearing the air.

The air is toxic because of one man, Phil Jackson. He makes the China smog look like medical grade oxygen.

[dakomish23]

It seems like people are actually taken in by the Ubermensch act but they absolutely can't be... it's so transparent as to be comical. Two lightweights who floated up on the winds of chance, ditzbags extraordinaire, so phenomenally insecure as to feel the need to play off dumba*s twitter misspellings as inside jokes, neither one even capable of stitching a coherent thought together at this point, sh*tstorms of complete and total incompetence that even the marginally tuned-in saw coming from miles away. The only conclusion can be that it's not about the would-be Ubermenschen per se but about the deranged projections of their acolytes, slobbering at the fantasy of their chosen bull sticking it again and again to all who have slighted them -- and in a way, the fact that the guy turns out to be dildo-fu*king their own wives rather than their enemies (that can wait!) makes it all the better, as their devotion thus becomes a yet more effective demonstration of their fealty, an even smellier sh*tpie in the face of the Intellectual Elites who find it so strange that someone might enjoy watching your own wife get done like that. F*ck! F*ck! F*ck! F*ck! MKGA! MKGA! MKGA! MKGA!