Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[newyorker4ever]

Lol just read an article Cavs would trade 5 and 26 for 3. Not nearly enough...

I'll trade them DSJ, Frank and the #3 pick for C.Sexton, #5 and #26.

Maybe just one of DSJ or Frank but would probably do both.

Then i draft RJ Hunter at #5.

That’s a horrible trade.
I wouldn’t even take 5 & Sexton for 3 by itself. Cavs are the ones desperate, not the Knicks.

The Knicks aren't desperate? They won't be if the offseason works out for them but they're pretty desperate especially after our last couple of 1st round picks haven't been good. The jury is still out on Knox but if it's only offense we get from him and no defense then i don't consider that a great pick unless his offense becomes great and is more then just shooting 3's.

[F N 11]

My gut says Barrett is going to become an all star...But the more I read about him the more I want to keep him- even with KD...
we need to forget this AD stuff...Too much to give to get him- even if we keep Mitch...KD and KYRIE- are just going to have to realize if you want to put a chip team together in a short amount of time that can beat the bucks- they are going to have to take a pay cut. Period...Time for them to put their GM cap on- plain and simple...

Ageed. Would be annoying to find a diamond in Mitch, a young forward with upside in Knox, and now have a chance to get a legit starting 2 for the first time since Houston lol. Only to trade all of them for AD. I’m not with it. Would probably be a pelicans fan low key.

[F N 11]

Trust the process yes!!!!

[GONYK]

Yes, on both counts.

I don't even like DSJ, but Colin was barely an NBA player for most of last season. What has Sexton done to prove otherwise?

Not that high on Sexton either but he had a very solid rookie campaign. Yeah he got outshined by the other rookies like Doncic and Trae and JJJ but Sexton still showed he is indeed an NBA player, no doubt about it. The Cavs stink, yeah sure, but Knicks stunk even more and other teams stunk just as bad as the Cavs so we can't hold that against him.

16.7 PPG
43% FG
40% 3 Point on 3.6 attempts a game
3 assists
3 rebounds

That's pretty solid. If anything he is a 6th man on a good team but he can also be a contributor as a starter on a good team if the right pieces are around him.

I agree with all but i definitely think he's a starter. It was just his rookie year and he'd probably have much better assist numbers if he had guys he was passing to that could make shots. We will see how he is next year but gotta think he'll be better, not sure how much better the Cavs will be though.

The stats are fine as a raw look at production, but Sexton never showed the ability to actually run the PG position. His feel for the game was very far behind what you'd want to see as prospect at that position.

All in all, he's not worth trading down for, IMO.

[HEZI]

Yes, on both counts.

I don't even like DSJ, but Colin was barely an NBA player for most of last season. What has Sexton done to prove otherwise?

Not that high on Sexton either but he had a very solid rookie campaign. Yeah he got outshined by the other rookies like Doncic and Trae and JJJ but Sexton still showed he is indeed an NBA player, no doubt about it. The Cavs stink, yeah sure, but Knicks stunk even more and other teams stunk just as bad as the Cavs so we can't hold that against him.

16.7 PPG
43% FG
40% 3 Point on 3.6 attempts a game
3 assists
3 rebounds

That's pretty solid. If anything he is a 6th man on a good team but he can also be a contributor as a starter on a good team if the right pieces are around him.

Sexton will be a great scorer. I dont know if he can be a solid playmaker and defender. He looks like a offensive minded shortsized shooting guard. It is difficult to build a team around him. I prefer Dennis.

Neither guy is good enough to build around though so it really comes down to who fits better with the pieces that you are choosing to build around

[awy]

the worst outcome for a rebuilding team is become saddled by a wiggins type contract.

barrett is the perfect storm of ingredients for such a trap.

[newyorker4ever]

I am curious. If we had won the 2pick, Ja would won the poll? Would be more chalenge to fit him along Dennis and Max PG and NO could value RJ more.

Maybe it was better picked the 3pick instead the 2pick. Same player for less salary.

I think it is almost indiferent. Ja looks a bit better. But RJ has better fit in the team.

That #2 pick and J.Morant is a much easier trade piece then #3 pick and RJ Barrett though because maybe not all but most look at J.Morant as a star in the NBA more then they look at Barrett because he's shown to be that at PG. I don't think it's ever better to get a lower pick. If you wanna keep the pick then it's an easy decision to take Morant and trade DSJ to whoever wants him with the bdest return. Not saying we can't trade the #3 pick and that getting Barrett isn't valuable but not like that #2 pick and Morant. I'd rather draft Morant and sign KD and J.Butler than draft RJ Barrett and sign KD and Kyrie.

There’s no telling if Ja deserves to be picked over RJ. Ja wasn’t even in the top 15 at the start of the NBA season. RJ & Ja swap teams/situations & we might be talking RJ going 2nd. Ja would’ve had to concede to Zion.

Every mock draft changes from the beginning of the season to the end and changes pretty drastically sometimes for multiple players. It doesn't matter how much hype they come into college with from high school, what matters is what they do in college and Morant played like a star and all the way up to being behind only Zion and in some peoples minds behind Barrett. Zion didn't come into the league as the #1 pick because that would go to Barrett and now.............................

[2010]

Back in October 2018, if someone told you that by season's end we'd be in position to draft RJ Barrett, every one of us would have signed up for that.

[F N 11]

Caption: Bright light big stage

[HEZI]

Not that high on Sexton either but he had a very solid rookie campaign. Yeah he got outshined by the other rookies like Doncic and Trae and JJJ but Sexton still showed he is indeed an NBA player, no doubt about it. The Cavs stink, yeah sure, but Knicks stunk even more and other teams stunk just as bad as the Cavs so we can't hold that against him.

16.7 PPG
43% FG
40% 3 Point on 3.6 attempts a game
3 assists
3 rebounds

That's pretty solid. If anything he is a 6th man on a good team but he can also be a contributor as a starter on a good team if the right pieces are around him.

I agree with all but i definitely think he's a starter. It was just his rookie year and he'd probably have much better assist numbers if he had guys he was passing to that could make shots. We will see how he is next year but gotta think he'll be better, not sure how much better the Cavs will be though.

The stats are fine as a raw look at production, but Sexton never showed the ability to actually run the PG position. His feel for the game was very far behind what you'd want to see as prospect at that position.

All in all, he's not worth trading down for, IMO.

He doesn't have to as long as you have at least guy with him who can run a team and teams nowadays are looking for versatility and multiple guys who can do that. The guy I keep comparing him to is Eric Bledsoe, who pretty much had those same issues and concerns about his game especially early in his Clippers career and then in Phoenix. He lands in Milwaukee where they have the versatility and now he's a starting PG on a contender.

[GONYK]

I agree with all but i definitely think he's a starter. It was just his rookie year and he'd probably have much better assist numbers if he had guys he was passing to that could make shots. We will see how he is next year but gotta think he'll be better, not sure how much better the Cavs will be though.

The stats are fine as a raw look at production, but Sexton never showed the ability to actually run the PG position. His feel for the game was very far behind what you'd want to see as prospect at that position.

All in all, he's not worth trading down for, IMO.

He doesn't have to as long as you have at least guy with him who can run a team and teams nowadays are looking for versatility and multiple guys who can do that. The guy I keep comparing him to is Eric Bledsoe, who pretty much had those same issues and concerns about his game especially early in his Clippers career and then in Phoenix. He lands in Milwaukee where they have the versatility and now he's a starting PG on a contender.

Well, regardless of our differing outlooks on Sexton, do you think he's worth trading down for?

[Chanel Bomber]

Trust the process yes!!!!

Wow.

Mills basically just described AD.

We'll see if they stay true to their word, but if they do, major props to Mills and Perry.

We just gotta draft well now. Whoever we draft with the #3 pick (I hope it's RJ because I think he could be special but of course you never know who'll pan out), I hope stays with the team long-term.

But to put it out there the way that Mills did, I did not expect it. Just wow.

[newyorker4ever]

Trust the process yes!!!!

You seem to be good on the internet with going back and finding things so maybe you can help me out with something i asked on here yesterday and something i think we'd all be very interested to know?

So supposedly the Pels aren't interested in K.Knox so i want to know if that's just them playing with us to get us to up our offer and if they do really like K.Knox, or at least if D.Griffin does. So if i'm correct then D.Griffin was working for like ESPN or NBA TV last year and covering the draft and i'd like to find out what he had to say about K.Knox before the draft and after we drafted him to see if he did like him and think he had good/great upside but i'm not good on the computer and wouldn't know how to even go back and find those videos of what they were all saying about Knox. I think D.Griffin was actually on a panel covering the draft while it was going on and pretty sure it was for NBA TV but not 100 on that.

[Thugger HBC]

My interest in trading down stems from the prospect of getting more picks for our pick, not for any particular player current in the league. If a team like the Cavs want our #3, all their incoming picks would have to be unprotected.

[DrCoach]

This is why you can’t rebuild in NY

There is no need to trade Frank.

He’s only 20 and he has a NBA skill, it’s a fantastic defender!

Look at Iggy from GS, he won a game by defending Lilliard

Mitch and Frank give us two long defenders, no need to trade Frank

Especially he can guard 1-3

[newyorker4ever]

Not that high on Sexton either but he had a very solid rookie campaign. Yeah he got outshined by the other rookies like Doncic and Trae and JJJ but Sexton still showed he is indeed an NBA player, no doubt about it. The Cavs stink, yeah sure, but Knicks stunk even more and other teams stunk just as bad as the Cavs so we can't hold that against him.

16.7 PPG
43% FG
40% 3 Point on 3.6 attempts a game
3 assists
3 rebounds

That's pretty solid. If anything he is a 6th man on a good team but he can also be a contributor as a starter on a good team if the right pieces are around him.

I agree with all but i definitely think he's a starter. It was just his rookie year and he'd probably have much better assist numbers if he had guys he was passing to that could make shots. We will see how he is next year but gotta think he'll be better, not sure how much better the Cavs will be though.

The stats are fine as a raw look at production, but Sexton never showed the ability to actually run the PG position. His feel for the game was very far behind what you'd want to see as prospect at that position.

All in all, he's not worth trading down for, IMO.

I can appreciate this and i'm not even totally sold on him since he's only just gotten through his rookie season and did it on a bad team but i'm not sold on DSJ either so as of now i'd take Sexton but they're both so young in their careers that it's tough to say this early.

[HEZI]

The stats are fine as a raw look at production, but Sexton never showed the ability to actually run the PG position. His feel for the game was very far behind what you'd want to see as prospect at that position.

All in all, he's not worth trading down for, IMO.

He doesn't have to as long as you have at least guy with him who can run a team and teams nowadays are looking for versatility and multiple guys who can do that. The guy I keep comparing him to is Eric Bledsoe, who pretty much had those same issues and concerns about his game especially early in his Clippers career and then in Phoenix. He lands in Milwaukee where they have the versatility and now he's a starting PG on a contender.

Well, regardless of our differing outlooks on Sexton, do you think he's worth trading down for?

It really depends and it's something to think about. I wouldn't dismiss it that quickly though. You gotta think, if Cavs offered the 5h pick and a future 1st, does that future 1st guarantee you a player better than Sexton? You might catch a break and land somebody better but then again you simply might not. There's a risk factor there, even if we can bank on Cavs being a lotto team next year with the way the odds are now there's no guarantee that you will be getting a great pick from them next year.


I wouldn't do it right now because I feel that RJ can still be a key component for an AD trade so for that main reason I wouldn't do it but if AD is no longer in our plans and we are sure that KD and Kyrie are on the way then yeah I gotta take into consideration Sexton as a 6th man and then look at guys like Reddish, Hunter, Culver and how they would fit with those guys.

[Knick4Real]

Watch on YouTube

How I feel about the people tripping about the lottery after getting #3.

This video is stupid!

I don't know many fans who were actually bashing RJ the player or whoever lands at #3. The "tripping" came from us never getting a break for so long and getting SO CLOSE to finally being in the driver's seat (with #1) only to get disappointed yet again.

Sure, the #3 pick is still good and way better than #5 or anywhere else we could have landed. However, if I had a chance to win a $100 million grand prize but ended up only winning 3rd place with $1 million, of course, $1 million is still very good and better than nothing -- but I'm still gonna be disappointed I didn't win the grand prize. It's only natural.

To call fans "clowns" for being disappointed and not jumping for joy over the #3 pick as quick as some were able to do is stupid.

So RJ Barrett is only 1% as good as Zion Williamson??? That's a little harsh, no?

I never said that since it was only an example. You're focusing on numbers instead of the underlying point. So, forget the numbers and just call it Grand Prize, 2nd Prize, 3rd, etc. Nobody is a "clown" for being naturally disappointed they didn't win the Grand Prize. That was the point.

[Richard4444]

This is why you can’t rebuild in NY

There is no need to trade Frank.

He’s only 20 and he has a NBA skill, it’s a fantastic defender!

Look at Iggy from GS, he won a game by defending Lilliard

Mitch and Frank give us two long defenders, no need to trade Frank

Especially he can guard 1-3

We cant keep Frank and Trier. One has to go.

[DrCoach]

This is why you can’t rebuild in NY

There is no need to trade Frank.

He’s only 20 and he has a NBA skill, it’s a fantastic defender!

Look at Iggy from GS, he won a game by defending Lilliard

Mitch and Frank give us two long defenders, no need to trade Frank

Especially he can guard 1-3

We cant keep Frank and Trier. One has to go.

Says who, why not?

They are totally Diff players