WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[Richard4444]

The ability of a coach to beat teams with better talent is also overrated. This isn't high school or even university. This is the pros. See how well Kerr is doing with misfits? How's Pop's Spurs really looking? And they have Aldridge and DeRozan.

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Except we are not the least talented team in the league so there remains room for improvement with the existing roster if coached well

Who has less talent? The Warriors? The Cavs? We have really a rookie shooting guard who may become special and the rest is just bad to middling. Julius Randle and Marcus Morris are our best players. We are not underperforming compared to the talent we have.

We have some talent.

In defense, we have Frank and Mitch. Mitch could play more minutes if he plays more smartly, fouling less...

In Offense?
Dennis is an excellent driver and a good playmaker. He needs to find his shot and play better D.
Payton is an really good playmaker and rebounder. He needs to get well.
Randle could improve with less usage (no drives, forced passes and contested 3s).
Knox is improving his outside shooting efficiency and getting more inside. He needs to learn to play some D.
Ignas is acquiring experience in G League.
Trier needs playing time.
Dotson is improving. He is already better than Ellington.

[HarthorneWingo]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

[prophet_of_rage]

Except we are not the least talented team in the league so there remains room for improvement with the existing roster if coached well

Who has less talent? The Warriors? The Cavs? We have really a rookie shooting guard who may become special and the rest is just bad to middling. Julius Randle and Marcus Morris are our best players. We are not underperforming compared to the talent we have.

We have some talent.

In defense, we have Frank and Mitch. Mitch could play more minutes if he plays more smartly, fouling less...

In Offense?
Dennis is an excellent driver and a good playmaker. He needs to find his shot and play better D.
Payton is an really good playmaker and rebounder. He needs to get well.
Randle could improve with less usage (no drives, forced passes and contested 3s).
Knox is improving his outside shooting efficiency and getting more inside. He needs to learn to play some D.
Ignas is acquiring experience in G League.
Trier needs playing time.
Dotson is improving. He is already better than Ellington.

And we are more talented than which teams?

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[prophet_of_rage]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

Call this Franksanity.

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[HarthorneWingo]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

Call this Franksanity.

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Ha, true. Time for Frank to start stringing together 25+ point games.

[spree2kawhi]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

Absolutely.

[prophet_of_rage]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

Absolutely.

So what? That's how the league works.

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[spree2kawhi]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

Absolutely.

So what? That's how the league works.

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Most teams in the league actually recognize talent and implement means to realize it. I think I know what you mean, sometimes there are surprises, but Frank and Knox haven't been supported adequately throughout the years.

[MadGrinch]

a team that can't focus long enough to let its GM/team president make its vision for the team a reality isn't ever going to be good.

and its been that way since before Isiah Thomas

good teams have consistency , continuity and trust and if the rumors are to be believed the knicks have none of that .

firing Fizdale will likely only make it worse, in perception and in reality .

fiz cant make RJ's free throws for him. and free throw shooting alone has cost the knicks at least 2 games this season.

the team is figuring out what it can do and it cant do and is doing so with middling talent .

eventually the team will be fine ,

they have ok talent and pretty good depth , over the course of a season things should even out as they get to know each other and other teams get banged up a bit.

the only right move is to fire mills, not only for basketball reasons but to signal to the rest of the league that we're finally serious about and committed to sweeping organizational change. we need to make efforts to change the image of MSG as being a hopeless, career-killing corporate gulag and mills is the embodiment of that. i don't like fiz but firing him solves nothing and only makes our problems worse as we're going to have a hard enough time finding competent people to take the reins. he'll do fine keeping the seat warm until the next regime finds its identity.

the only real way to show you are serious is by leaving all of management employed

its only a career killing gulag if people keep getting fired there

this team makes sweeping organizational changes every 4 or so years and its gotten the team nowhere , at some point you are going to have to stick it out and see where it leads

doing it again only leads the team down a darker path.

[prophet_of_rage]

Absolutely.

So what? That's how the league works.

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Most teams in the league actually recognize talent and implement means to realize it. I think I know what you mean, sometimes there are surprises, but Frank and Knox haven't been supported adequately throughout the years.

They have been supported. You have to produce. Frank didn't give you this in his rookie year, nor his sophomore year. He is giving it now and that is why he is playing now.

[Dave DaButcher]

This is fair. However, it does not explain some of the other roster construction and coaching rotation decisions.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

This is fair. However, it does not explain some of the other roster construction and coaching rotation decisions.

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Taj is a great vet to have. Play smart like Taj. But then I wonder if we point to Randle and Portis and say "don't play like those guys".

[Mecca]

Interesting thing about Taj Gibson is that last year, when he was under Thibs/Saunders, he was a boxing out machine.

This year with Fiz, his box outs are significantly down. That’s a coaching thing to me.

[Mecca]

This is fair. However, it does not explain some of the other roster construction and coaching rotation decisions.

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Taj is a great vet to have. Play smart like Taj. But then I wonder if we point to Randle and Portis and say "don't play like those guys".

Galaxy brain thinking is to just not sign 4’s that don’t shoot or defend well. Make that a pillar of roster construction. My 4 has to have either skill set to be on the roster.

[Deeeez Knicks]

This is fair. However, it does not explain some of the other roster construction and coaching rotation decisions.

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Taj is a great vet to have. Play smart like Taj. But then I wonder if we point to Randle and Portis and say "don't play like those guys".

Galaxy brain thinking is to just not sign 4’s that don’t shoot or defend well. Make that a pillar of roster construction. My 4 has to have either skill set to be on the roster.

Yeah, it really is a must...especially when we should have had Mitch and RJ penciled in as the other starters. If we just had Morris as our 4 with no Randle/Portis we would be much better off.

[prophet_of_rage]

This is fair. However, it does not explain some of the other roster construction and coaching rotation decisions.

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Taj is a great vet to have. Play smart like Taj. But then I wonder if we point to Randle and Portis and say "don't play like those guys".

They aren't vets like Gibson. They are signed to be rotation or bust players.

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[HarthorneWingo]

This is fair. However, it does not explain some of the other roster construction and coaching rotation decisions.

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Taj is a great vet to have. Play smart like Taj. But then I wonder if we point to Randle and Portis and say "don't play like those guys".

I'd like to see Taj (and Morris) get in Randle's and Portis's ears. Those two guys are still young.

[RHODEY]

a team that can't focus long enough to let its GM/team president make its vision for the team a reality isn't ever going to be good.

and its been that way since before Isiah Thomas

good teams have consistency , continuity and trust and if the rumors are to be believed the knicks have none of that .

firing Fizdale will likely only make it worse, in perception and in reality .

fiz cant make RJ's free throws for him. and free throw shooting alone has cost the knicks at least 2 games this season.

the team is figuring out what it can do and it cant do and is doing so with middling talent .

eventually the team will be fine ,

they have ok talent and pretty good depth , over the course of a season things should even out as they get to know each other and other teams get banged up a bit.

the only right move is to fire mills, not only for basketball reasons but to signal to the rest of the league that we're finally serious about and committed to sweeping organizational change. we need to make efforts to change the image of MSG as being a hopeless, career-killing corporate gulag and mills is the embodiment of that. i don't like fiz but firing him solves nothing and only makes our problems worse as we're going to have a hard enough time finding competent people to take the reins. he'll do fine keeping the seat warm until the next regime finds its identity.

the only real way to show you are serious is by leaving all of management employed

its only a career killing gulag if people keep getting fired there

this team makes sweeping organizational changes every 4 or so years and its gotten the team nowhere , at some point you are going to have to stick it out and see where it leads

doing it again only leads the team down a darker path.

We've stuck it out with Mills for 20 years....where has that lead?

[cgmw]

the only right move is to fire mills, not only for basketball reasons but to signal to the rest of the league that we're finally serious about and committed to sweeping organizational change. we need to make efforts to change the image of MSG as being a hopeless, career-killing corporate gulag and mills is the embodiment of that. i don't like fiz but firing him solves nothing and only makes our problems worse as we're going to have a hard enough time finding competent people to take the reins. he'll do fine keeping the seat warm until the next regime finds its identity.

the only real way to show you are serious is by leaving all of management employed

its only a career killing gulag if people keep getting fired there

this team makes sweeping organizational changes every 4 or so years and its gotten the team nowhere , at some point you are going to have to stick it out and see where it leads

doing it again only leads the team down a darker path.

We've stuck it out with Mills for 20 years....where has that lead?

My dream scenario is Dolan gets pressured out by investors before the 2020 sports spinoff. The new regime “re-assigns” Steve Mills to “consult” on sports *business* operations while installing an OG (what’s David Stern up to nowadays?) as interim President. In the meantime Perry rides it out for the duration of Kevin Knox’s rookie contact with wide autonomy to see the vision through.

If we thrive, great. If not, let the new regime install new people.

[Zenzibar]

If Payton and DSJ didn't go down, Frank would still be sitting at the end of the bench.

Yeah but Life doesn't work that way.

One has to be ready for sudden opportunities and Frank was more than ready for his.

You remember the story of Lou Gehrig and Wally Pipp right? Story goes Wally Pipp, a very good player in his own right. on one rare occasion called out sick and was replaced by rookie Gehrig. Was the first day of his streak, in which he never, not once sat out for 15 years straight!

Anyway I degress, pardon me

Fate had it that Frank's moment came and now is his to loose. Cause he's just getting better everday day. Every game he's showing how invaluable he is and brings something new on both sides of ball