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dakomish23 wrote:19.0 PPG 4.0 RPG 3.7 APG 1.0 SPG
45% on 15.7 FGA
44% on 8.0 3PA
90% on 1.7 FTA
That’s Bodgan 6 games in the bubble
Him or Buddy will likely not be in SAC for 20-21 & I suspect we will attempt to get the other.
DowNY wrote:br7knicks wrote:bleedblue3303 wrote:
I wonder what it would take to get him.
i'd rather not go for him, because he's going to eat up touches from the younger guys.
but if they want to take on any of the usual guys (randle, knox, dsjr) for him, then maybe that'd be fine. isn't buddy looking for a new contract, though?
Eat up touches from who? He’s 27 himself
And he already signed a deal at the beginning of the season.
He’s one of the league’s best shooters also. Perfect fit next to RJ.
Snacks wrote:Knick4Real wrote:br7knicks wrote:So I'm not too familiar with how strong this draft is - I'm under the impression that it's not very strong, even towards the top.
So, hypothetically, if the Knicks land the #1 overall pick, I'd like them to keep it than trade it.
But also, hypothetically, if every team had interest in it, and they were all dangling their players for that pick, who would you trade it for?
I'm thinking realistically, tho. For example, I'm not counting guys like kawhi, Davis, giannis, Zion, etc.
But who is a realistic player you would trade that pick for? Obviously can include the non important players or picks (randle, Knox, dsjr, Frank, clippers, Dallas)
Beal
Booker
Fox
J brown
Ingram (would rather go for FA)
Something along those lines. again, I just don't know how strong this draft is.
I don't think any of the guys you mentioned would be available as a straight-up trade for the #1 pick. It would be the pick plus other assets. Besides, I think there's already a wink-and-a-nod agreement in place for us to get LaMelo.
Most people would agree that none of those players are available. But I for one believe that Ingram is going to make himself available.
1) no one wants to play for the pelicans
2)they had a chance to extend him, to show him that they wanted him. They didn’t, instead of embracing him they waited it out to test his health and his game. I don’t think he’ll forget that
3)most players of his caliber have to wait 7 years to live and play where they want. He will get his pick in his fifth season
My prediction is that he’ll go with AD’s playbook and say all the right things Until it’s time.
He’ll threaten to or even sign the qualifying offer and force a trade.
Knicks better be ready with the 1st pick and RJ as the core offer(no Mitch)
-YogiBiz- wrote:Would you guys take on Kevin Love for Darius Garland?
Garland seems pretty meh, but we could probably have more added on their for taking that bloated contract. Also Garland still has some potential (at least more than DSjr/Frank) and could turn out better than expected. You think Cleveland would just unload Kevin Love?
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
-YogiBiz- wrote:Would you guys take on Kevin Love for Darius Garland?
Garland seems pretty meh, but we could probably have more added on their for taking that bloated contract. Also Garland still has some potential (at least more than DSjr/Frank) and could turn out better than expected. You think Cleveland would just unload Kevin Love?
jullybully21 wrote:BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Is it really a lock that the Pels retain Brandon Ingram?
I think the Pels are a fine collection of players both young and old but BI to me is best at the 4...there’s a little overlap stylistically between he and Zion. And Jrue is the heart and soul of that roster...
I don’t think they’re all in on a Zion-Jrue-BI core.
Just a thought.
I would love for the Knicks to go after Brandon Ingram come free agency. I would even do a sign & trade and trade a Mavs pick for Ingram. If we can get him and Joe Harris in FA and draft our PG (Melo/Hayes) that would be a great free agency for the team.
ophdog wrote:People should get very comfortable with us not making any major additions for a long time. Literally our only hope at adding a big time player is a trade brought on by teams saving money due to Covid. A pandemic is our best recruiter right now
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:-YogiBiz- wrote:Would you guys take on Kevin Love for Darius Garland?
Garland seems pretty meh, but we could probably have more added on their for taking that bloated contract. Also Garland still has some potential (at least more than DSjr/Frank) and could turn out better than expected. You think Cleveland would just unload Kevin Love?
I would but I know I’m in the minority.
Garland is going to be a solid player in time IMO and he’s a good fit next to RJ theoretically. And Kevin Love is exactly the type of big (and citizen) you want next to Mitch and in NYC. The thing we need to realize is free agency is borderline irrelevant for us and the immediate future. We need to look like a competent basketball team. Kevin Love for the next three years isn’t as toxic a deal for us and where we stand as its (likely) made out to be. And if it’s a dump that comes with Garland I’d do it.
bleedblue3303 wrote:Saying we can get Ingram by some miracle
Trade this years first rounder and our clips first round pick to Cleveland for Garland and love. Add Gibson, Payton and Ellington to make salaries match.
Trade Rj plus both dallas picks for Beal. Add Randle to make salaries match
team next year
PG Garland
SG Beal
SF Ingram
PF Love
C Mitch
Would you do that? I'm not hating on that team. is that enough to get Beal?
bleedblue3303 wrote:bleedblue3303 wrote:Saying we can get Ingram by some miracle
Trade this years first rounder and our clips first round pick to Cleveland for Garland and love. Add Gibson, Payton and Ellington to make salaries match.
Trade Rj plus both dallas picks for Beal. Add Randle to make salaries match
team next year
PG Garland
SG Beal
SF Ingram
PF Love
C Mitch
Would you do that? I'm not hating on that team. is that enough to get Beal?
Not sure I would do Clevland trade.
In a perfect world
PG Lamelo
SG Beal
SF Ingram
PF?
C Mitch
I mean that team is ready for Giannis to join.
knickstape4ever wrote:
Ingram isn't happening; he was 1 of the main pieces in the AD trade and just put up huge #'s. and he's still just 22. NO will match anything
Snacks wrote:Knick4Real wrote:br7knicks wrote:So I'm not too familiar with how strong this draft is - I'm under the impression that it's not very strong, even towards the top.
So, hypothetically, if the Knicks land the #1 overall pick, I'd like them to keep it than trade it.
But also, hypothetically, if every team had interest in it, and they were all dangling their players for that pick, who would you trade it for?
I'm thinking realistically, tho. For example, I'm not counting guys like kawhi, Davis, giannis, Zion, etc.
But who is a realistic player you would trade that pick for? Obviously can include the non important players or picks (randle, Knox, dsjr, Frank, clippers, Dallas)
Beal
Booker
Fox
J brown
Ingram (would rather go for FA)
Something along those lines. again, I just don't know how strong this draft is.
I don't think any of the guys you mentioned would be available as a straight-up trade for the #1 pick. It would be the pick plus other assets. Besides, I think there's already a wink-and-a-nod agreement in place for us to get LaMelo.
Most people would agree that none of those players are available. But I for one believe that Ingram is going to make himself available.
1) no one wants to play for the pelicans
2)they had a chance to extend him, to show him that they wanted him. They didn’t, instead of embracing him they waited it out to test his health and his game. I don’t think he’ll forget that
3)most players of his caliber have to wait 7 years to live and play where they want. He will get his pick in his fifth season
My prediction is that he’ll go with AD’s playbook and say all the right things Until it’s time.
He’ll threaten to or even sign the qualifying offer and force a trade.
Knicks better be ready with the 1st pick and RJ as the core offer(no Mitch)
moocow007 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Who are the worst 5 contracts in the NBA going into 20-21?
Asset acquisition is always a positive option
John Wall - is owed an average of $44 million a year over the next 3 seasons which is not a good thing considering Wall suffered a ruptured Achilles which is arguably the worst possible injury for a guy like him and that he'll be heading to his age 30 year in his first season with the Knicks. He hasn't played a game in a year and a half and likely will have no played in over 2 years before he officially is able to get on the floor for the Knicks (in who knows what condition). Walls biggest trait is his speed. Achilles ruptures biggest hit is speed. So...I don't know that I'd trade for Wall even if the Wizards included Beal and other assets TBQH.
Blake Griffin - is owed an average of $37 million a year over the next 2 years. He'd be 32 years old, coming off a major knee injury and by far the worst year of his career BY FAR.
Al Horford - is already 34 years old and will be owed and will be owed an average of about $27 million a year over the next 3 years. He's still kinda productive but is coming off the worse statistical year (in just about every way possible) of his career and starting to look his age.
Tobias Harris - Harris is still heading into his prime but his contract is a ghastly $36 million per over the next 4 YEARS!! Harris never had great upside and chances are that what he is now is what he'll likely be and that's not a guy that's worth anywhere near $36 million a year over the next 4 years. Hard to imagine the Sixers offering up assets though as they do still need him even though he's overpaid.
Chris Paul - Paul is the oldest of the group but he's also the clear best of the group, especially for a team like the Knicks. He's owed an averaged of $42.5 million over the next 2 seasons. It's unlikely however that the Thunder will give up assets to move Paul, who is probably the biggest reason why they are in 6th place in the Western Conference rather than holding hands with the Knicks wondering whether they'd be able to luck out into a top 3 pick.
Andrew Wiggins - is under contract for an average of $31.5 million per over the next 3 years. He's still young (24) so that would still give him room to develop and evolve into a better overall player (see Demar Derozan). But he's probably next on the list.
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Wall is pretty much by far the worst contract. I can't see any front office in their right mind trading for Wall unless it's one of these other teams that would force the Wizards to take their respective big contract back AND include more assets. And any trade would likely require the other team take Julius Randle so the Knicks don't have to worry about his contract.
Trading for Paul has it's benefits outside of asset acquisition. Trading for Horford (assuming that the Sixers (or a 3rd team) would be willing to absorb Randle's milder 2 year $41 million contract while the Knicks take on the 3 years $81 million Horford is owed while also allowing the Knicks to aquire some sort of assets in return. But 3 years is a much bigger deal than 2 years from what appears to be an "accelerated" rebuild plan. Swapping Randle for Griffin MIGHT be worth a gamble but that's a roughly $16.5 million per season extra gamble so the assets coming back from the Pistons would likely have to be significant. Not sure if the Pistons have much in the way of assets to give (they are one of the worst teams in the NBA in terms of assets) is the problem.
Unless the Pistons are willing to include some significant assets (doubt it) I wouldn't be interested in Griffin. The only guy on that list that seems to make sense for the Knicks would be CP3. If they can swap Randle's $21 million per for Paul's $42.5 million per and get something not too crazy from the Thunder, that would be the one contract I'd be willing to take on.
The better option may be to simply absorb a big 1 year deal from a team that would just want to save money. Otto Porter Jr and Hassan Whiteside both will be owed $27 million next season. LaMarcus Aldridge is another possibility (owed $26 million next season). So taking either contract along with a draft asset may be a good idea.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
