2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[knickstape4ever]

the lottery was supposed to be in 2 days

depressing af

part of me wonders tho—if the lottery is rigged—whether we land top 4 b/c covid-19 hit here harder than any other state

[robillionaire]

these 3 will be fun to watch on UK next year
boston, clarke, askew
balling at what looks to be an amazon fulfillment center

[3toheadmelo]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

[Zenzibar]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

Tyrese and Frank would immediately make one of the best defensive back courts in the game. We've had terrible defensive bakcourts for eons and this would give the Knicks a diificult look on that side of the ball.

By the write up below, Tyrese already has great intincts that can be honed with training by a good defensive coach's staff. An asssitantt like Milke Miller focusing strickly on defense would improve the whole team. That's why, it should be most important to name the coach before the draft. It'll help us here in the draft forecasting department on Realgm .

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Awareness / Team Defense: High level team defender – does a nice job talking and directing the defense. Makes good rotations along the perimeter in “helping the helper” when the defense is scrambling, but closeouts need work. Has some flashes around the rim too, but there are times when you see him second guess the rotation and, though he tries to recover, gives being a half second late, giving up a look at the rim that wouldn’t have been there had he gone with his initial inclination. Good defensive playmaker who generally does a nice job keeping his hands (and body) in passing or driving lanes. Nice job stunting and digging on drives and has flashes of tagging the roller / being in the correct position in team defense in the PnR, though this is not totally consistent yet depending on where he is defending from off ball. When Haliburton is not guarding a man in the corner, he does a nice job playing the roll and man – stunting / tagging, proper positioning, etc. However, when he is in the far corner, the timing and positioning can be off from time to time – either being too close to his man and late to help, or too far from his man and scrambling to contest (more on that below). Two things to note here: 1) this is not an every possession issue, more consistency; and 2) this should be fixed pretty easily with proper coaching and pointing this out on film. Quick reactions off ball in help.

Rim Protection: Makes nice rotations into the paint to help protect, but doesn’t always trust his instincts…so he’ll second guess his rotation, and be a half second late making it difficult to recover in time. Then there are other times where he makes a beautiful read / recovery. Basically, I would like to see him trust his instincts a bit more when rotating in the paint because they’re often the right read. Can make some quick reactions into the paint to protect the rim moving from midrange / the perimeter. However, when his man is driving, he doesn’t always contest – he’ll get bumped off the spot and give up on the play or just simply decide the contest is pointless. Not someone who can body a player off his spot or use his strength to help dislodge (or keep away from the rim) in air or on the floor. Going forward, I can see definitely some nice rotations into the paint for weakside blocks, but his lack of great pop and his lack of strength will limit his ceiling and how effective he is here.

[thebuzzardman]

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Interesting stat on cole Anthony, shot 53.8% in catch and shoot situations that were classified as unguarded.

That settles it; he's the KNICKS pic for sure now.

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[JBreezeNY]

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I can see this happening as well.

This new front office gives me vibes of “taking big risks, damned how the public feels”.

Could see a Frank/Dallas Pick/Knox trade but all depends on draft position.

[newyorker4ever]

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I can see this happening as well.

This new front office gives me vibes of “taking big risks, damned how the public feels”.

Could see a Frank/Dallas Pick/Knox trade but all depends on draft position.

We keep Frank. The length on defense we'd have in our back court with Frank and Hali on the court together would be fun to watch and i'm really excited about how Frank looked like he really found his confidence the last 3-4 weeks of the season. He could finally be growing up when we all knew it was gonna take him time when we drafted him. To turn around and trade him when he's finally putting it together would be such a Knicks move.

[knickstape4ever]

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I like Butler as a potential pick at #38

he's one of the better shooters in this draft and has some playmaking skills, tho he played more off-ball; really good handles too

[RHODEY]

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"..after studying film of all the prospects in the 2020 NBA draft, in my opinion Killian Hayes was the most impressive player that I scouted."

[Fat]

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I can see this happening as well.

This new front office gives me vibes of “taking big risks, damned how the public feels”.

Could see a Frank/Dallas Pick/Knox trade but all depends on draft position.

Yeah I could see the Knicks putting a package like that to move up for Lamelo if they don’t land in position to draft him theirselves. He is the most talented in the draft in my opinion not the most efficient but most talented

[HarthorneWingo]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

[spree2kawhi]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

I just watched footage of Lamelo Ball scoring 92 points and I'm telling you he'll be a bust. We should draft Cole or Edwards or Haliburton.

[robillionaire]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

I just watched footage of Lamelo Ball scoring 92 points and I'm telling you he'll be a bust. We should draft Cole or Edwards or Haliburton.

you mean footage from 3 years ago when he was 15 and a foot shorter? he will not be a bust

[3toheadmelo]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

I just watched footage of Lamelo Ball scoring 92 points and I'm telling you he'll be a bust. We should draft Cole or Edwards or Haliburton.

Would rather have all those players you mentioned over Cole. Not sold on Cole being better than Brandon Jennings.

[a-French-Fan]

Is this draft so weak? Is Théo Malédon under-rated? Did Knicks drafted Ntilikina too high?

I ask this 'cause IMO Malédon showed more than Frank did before his draft (except as an elite def of course).
When Knicks drafted Frank, he had a great U18 euro tournament, and had already played as a pro in Strasbourg. He was the best of his generation in France.
For Malédon, for youth NT (U16 euro and U17 world), he played with a huge prospect: Hayes. So he wasn't the boss as Frank was (U18). But he was certainly more talented than Frnak was, but Hayes' talent is so high that a lot of people didn't see how good was Malédon; During 18_19 season at 17, he showed more than Ntilikina did at 18. Malédon became a huge prospect after his 1st pro season, he did things younger that TP9 did as young pro in France.
But for his second pro year, he didn't improve, he didn't make TP's performances during his second pro year at 18. So he felt in mock draft. However, he played euroleague, and Frank didn't with Strasbourg. Malédon get injuried and an other prospect came from ASVEL academy, so coach shared minutes between 4 PGs and we didn't see Théo Improve.
BUT Malédon had showed more in Eurocup last year, and Euroleague this year, than Frnak did in the so weak basketball champion's league.

Conclusion: Between Ntilikina 2017 and Malédon 2020, I would pick Malédon.

So I ask again my questions: is 2020 class so weak? did knicks draft Frank too high? Is Malédon under-rated ? (so maybe we expected too much from him for his second pro year)

[Gravy]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

Tyrese and Frank would immediately make one of the best defensive back courts in the game. We've had terrible defensive bakcourts for eons and this would give the Knicks a diificult look on that side of the ball.

By the write up below, Tyrese already has great intincts that can be honed with training by a good defensive coach's staff. An asssitantt like Milke Miller focusing strickly on defense would improve the whole team. That's why, it should be most important to name the coach before the draft. It'll help us here in the draft forecasting department on Realgm .

https://www.thestepien.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/the-stepien-trimmed.png

Awareness / Team Defense: High level team defender – does a nice job talking and directing the defense. Makes good rotations along the perimeter in “helping the helper” when the defense is scrambling, but closeouts need work. Has some flashes around the rim too, but there are times when you see him second guess the rotation and, though he tries to recover, gives being a half second late, giving up a look at the rim that wouldn’t have been there had he gone with his initial inclination. Good defensive playmaker who generally does a nice job keeping his hands (and body) in passing or driving lanes. Nice job stunting and digging on drives and has flashes of tagging the roller / being in the correct position in team defense in the PnR, though this is not totally consistent yet depending on where he is defending from off ball. When Haliburton is not guarding a man in the corner, he does a nice job playing the roll and man – stunting / tagging, proper positioning, etc. However, when he is in the far corner, the timing and positioning can be off from time to time – either being too close to his man and late to help, or too far from his man and scrambling to contest (more on that below). Two things to note here: 1) this is not an every possession issue, more consistency; and 2) this should be fixed pretty easily with proper coaching and pointing this out on film. Quick reactions off ball in help.

Rim Protection: Makes nice rotations into the paint to help protect, but doesn’t always trust his instincts…so he’ll second guess his rotation, and be a half second late making it difficult to recover in time. Then there are other times where he makes a beautiful read / recovery. Basically, I would like to see him trust his instincts a bit more when rotating in the paint because they’re often the right read. Can make some quick reactions into the paint to protect the rim moving from midrange / the perimeter. However, when his man is driving, he doesn’t always contest – he’ll get bumped off the spot and give up on the play or just simply decide the contest is pointless. Not someone who can body a player off his spot or use his strength to help dislodge (or keep away from the rim) in air or on the floor. Going forward, I can see definitely some nice rotations into the paint for weakside blocks, but his lack of great pop and his lack of strength will limit his ceiling and how effective he is here.

We had Frank and RJ starting together in the backcourt for a while and we were still terrible. We need more offense at both positions.

[robillionaire]

Is this draft so weak? Is Théo Malédon under-rated? Did Knicks drafted Ntilikina too high?

I ask this 'cause IMO Malédon showed more than Frank did before his draft (except as an elite def of course).
When Knicks drafted Frank, he had a great U18 euro tournament, and had already played as a pro in Strasbourg. He was the best of his generation in France.
For Malédon, for youth NT (U16 euro and U17 world), he played with a huge prospect: Hayes. So he wasn't the boss as Frank was (U18). But he was certainly more talented than Frnak was, but Hayes' talent is so high that a lot of people didn't see how good was Malédon; During 18_19 season at 17, he showed more than Ntilikina did at 18. Malédon became a huge prospect after his 1st pro season, he did things younger that TP9 did as young pro in France.
But for his second pro year, he didn't improve, he didn't make TP's performances during his second pro year at 18. So he felt in mock draft. However, he played euroleague, and Frank didn't with Strasbourg. Malédon get injuried and an other prospect came from ASVEL academy, so coach shared minutes between 4 PGs and we didn't see Théo Improve.
BUT Malédon had showed more in Eurocup last year, and Euroleague this year, than Frnak did in the so weak basketball champion's league.

Conclusion: Between Ntilikina 2017 and Malédon 2020, I would pick Malédon.

So I ask again my questions: is 2020 class so weak? did knicks draft Frank too high? Is Malédon under-rated ? (so maybe we expected too much from him for his second pro year)

Frank was drafted too high. If they re-did the draft he probably doesn't go in the first round or get drafted at all. He is viewed by most as a colossal bust. He is the player we compare guys to that we think will be busts. Hope that helps clear it up

[malik959]

At the most recent FIBA U19 World Cup in 2019, Tyrese Haliburton set three USA men’s U19 records, including 3-point field goal percentage at 55.5% (10-18 3pt FGs), total assists (48) and assists per game (6.9 apg.).

I just watched footage of Lamelo Ball scoring 92 points and I'm telling you he'll be a bust. We should draft Cole or Edwards or Haliburton.

Oh you mean the game where he never came down to play defense and his opponents average height was 5'5

[a-French-Fan]

Is this draft so weak? Is Théo Malédon under-rated? Did Knicks drafted Ntilikina too high?

I ask this 'cause IMO Malédon showed more than Frank did before his draft (except as an elite def of course).
When Knicks drafted Frank, he had a great U18 euro tournament, and had already played as a pro in Strasbourg. He was the best of his generation in France.
For Malédon, for youth NT (U16 euro and U17 world), he played with a huge prospect: Hayes. So he wasn't the boss as Frank was (U18). But he was certainly more talented than Frnak was, but Hayes' talent is so high that a lot of people didn't see how good was Malédon; During 18_19 season at 17, he showed more than Ntilikina did at 18. Malédon became a huge prospect after his 1st pro season, he did things younger that TP9 did as young pro in France.
But for his second pro year, he didn't improve, he didn't make TP's performances during his second pro year at 18. So he felt in mock draft. However, he played euroleague, and Frank didn't with Strasbourg. Malédon get injuried and an other prospect came from ASVEL academy, so coach shared minutes between 4 PGs and we didn't see Théo Improve.
BUT Malédon had showed more in Eurocup last year, and Euroleague this year, than Frnak did in the so weak basketball champion's league.

Conclusion: Between Ntilikina 2017 and Malédon 2020, I would pick Malédon.

So I ask again my questions: is 2020 class so weak? did knicks draft Frank too high? Is Malédon under-rated ? (so maybe we expected too much from him for his second pro year)

Frank was drafted too high. If they re-did the draft he probably doesn't go in the first round or get drafted at all. He is viewed by most as a colossal bust. He is the player we compare guys to that we think will be busts. Hope that helps clear it up

I would say a half-bust with Knicks. It started really bad the first summer. What did Knicks decide for him after a heavy season (french ProA until finals, U18 euro in ... december, and a continental cup -basketball champion's league)? Practice like all NCAA prospects who stopped competition in march ... And, then a lot of things happened, the biggest one IMO was DSJ's trade. So I'd really like to see him in an other franchise to know if he is a knicks bust or a NBA bust.

[3toheadmelo]

Frank compares the most to Theo Maledon. Maledon is better though but I would pass on him.