Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST

[GONYK]

They don't starphuck at all.

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

[3toheadmelo]

Grimes college coach speaks. Saying the same things I been saying!!

Quentin has to learn he’s not the lead dog,’’ Sampson told The Post after viewing the first two contests. “It’s an adjustment for all these guys. The way you play in college, eventually you’ll get to that. Quickley is a shoot-first, shoot-second, shoot-third point guard. Toppin, you can tell there’s an interest in getting those two guys going. I can tell Quentin was nervous his first game too. Quentin will operate a lot better when you run stuff for him and let him make plays out of that.”

“I thought he was too passive,’’ Sampson said. “In summer league, it’s OK to be a little selfish. Don’t take bad shots but you have to look at your window of opportunity. If you give it up, it won’t come back his way. I know how aggressive he is and how good he will be. You shouldn’t draw conclusions based on summer league games.’’

[prophet_of_rage]

They don't starphuck at all.

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

I’ve grown to like this FO. I’m not sure if they are down with Antifa, but their ideology is already anti-Afflaloist and non-Millisian in nature.

It is stable and competent. Back to the Grunfeld era.

Sent from my SM-N970W using Tapatalk

[prophet_of_rage]

didn't see anything. does grimes really look this bad?

He didn't look "that bad" to me. Selden looked worse and, in my opinion, Luca has looked worse, but Grimes did nothing to impress, unlike the 3 2nd round picks, Sims, Joku & McBride all look better, though Sims is a big man so not really a comparison.

He looks raw and like he needs work and like he'd be a good d-league candidate / 2 way player if that was an option (which I gather it's not for a first round pick). He's physical and strong enough, but looked nervous. He didn't look good, but I wouldn't say he's a guaranteed bust, which reading this thread, it's easy to get that impression.

Even though Grimes wasn't hitting his shot, did you notice the form? Others mentioned H20 and I agree, like Mr. Houston...
Notice his +-? He had the best on the team the last two games I believe. And he rebounds extremely well.

I'm not excited with the pick but I do him as being a very sound player who just looks "lost in the lights" out there. Just like Obi last year, always giving the ball up. Which makes no sense as I think he was his teams leader last year and helped take them to the final 4. The guy has loads of talent, can play good to great defense and see's the floor VERY good for his position. I think, like Obi, he is a bit of a late bloomer.

Since we needed scoring on the team, I wish we would have kept that 19th pick (in addition) and grabbed Cam there. I think we could have molded that guy. Lucky Brooklyn; rich get richer.

Houston also had a pretty shot that didn't go in as much as you thought it should.

Sent from my SM-N970W using Tapatalk

[Capn'O]

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

I’ve grown to like this FO. I’m not sure if they are down with Antifa, but their ideology is already anti-Afflaloist and non-Millisian in nature.

It is stable and competent. Back to the Grunfeld era.

Sent from my SM-N970W using Tapatalk

Which Wizard fans would do a double take with but he was with us.

[stuporman]

You know Derrick Rose once averaged under 10ppg and shot less than 30% in a summer league..... that kid was a bust right? That same year Quincy Douby scored 22ppg and Jared Bayless almost averaged 30ppg both in the top 3 that summer....absolute HOFers!

[Capn'O]

They don't starphuck at all.

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

That's a boogeyman. Michael Porter Jr was the home run swing. Knox was just a bad pick.

[DOT]

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

That's a boogeyman. Michael Porter Jr was the home run swing. Knox was just a bad pick.

I think that's a different argument, because no one (well, almost no one) was debating MPJ's talent, it was all about his health, which to be fair, hasn't completely been proven to be a non-issue yet

Knox is also kind of a weird pick because he was a reach at the time, and everybody knew it

Then I would also say, us taking RJ 3rd was an upside pick, because there was an argument to take Culver or Hunter, who both would have been hitting a clear single. I'm also gonna say, modern baseball is trending to where batting average is less important, and power (rather, OPS) is more important, so the baseball analogy favors going for home runs over singles.

[KnicksGadfly]

They don't starphuck at all.

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

The stupidest crap was that there was actually one better player with more potential on the board if they wanted to go that route: MPJ. And it felt like fans wanted him, too. There were injury scares, but ugh... Only reason why I'm mad at the Knicks for missing SGA is because they got played by Calipari in the same way that we got played by CAA for Bargnani.

At this point, it would be awesome if Kevin Knox could develop into Miles Bridges, much less Mikal. He's improved his shooting and that's actually good, but he needs to get that defense in order if he wants to steal some minutes.

[GONYK]

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

That's a boogeyman. Michael Porter Jr was the home run swing. Knox was just a bad pick.

I think that's a different argument, because no one (well, almost no one) was debating MPJ's talent, it was all about his health, which to be fair, hasn't completely been proven to be a non-issue yet

Knox is also kind of a weird pick because he was a reach at the time, and everybody knew it

Correct on both counts. Knox was a bad pick because the process was bad. But the thought process was that he was a 6'9" toolsy kid with 3 level scoring potential and younger than both Bridges (and healthier/less of a dckhead than MPJ, but that's a different matter)

He was the right archetype of player to take a risk on, you just had to ignore that he had absolutely no motor. Which they did, and here we are.

Then I would also say, us taking RJ 3rd was an upside pick, because there was an argument to take Culver or Hunter, who both would have been hitting a clear single. I'm also gonna say, modern baseball is trending to where batting average is less important, and power (rather, OPS) is more important, so the baseball analogy favors going for home runs over singles.

Not quite, since RJ had actual positive college production. His collective skills were just less refined than those guys, but he was younger. I don't know what happened with Culver, TBH. Either way, I think both of those guys were consensus trade down candidates.

As far as the baseball analogy, if the goal is to put runs on the board, sure. If the goal is have as much cheap and productive talent in your rotation as possible each year so you can pursue bigger fish with your cap space, I'd say the baseball definition loses its applicability.

Even in baseball though, homerun hitters strike out more.

BTW, I would have taken Keon Johnson at 21. I'm just saying that I see the Knicks' logic.

[GONYK]

They really haven't. I was kinda annoyed that they didn't address the PG position but then they did. If you're gonna go for it, at least do it right But that kinda eased me that they kinda mucked around in the draft.

Obv, if we have a real shot at a great player we'll take it.

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

The stupidest crap was that there was actually one better player with more potential on the board if they wanted to go that route: MPJ. And it felt like fans wanted him, too. There were injury scares, but ugh... Only reason why I'm mad at the Knicks for missing SGA is because they got played by Calipari in the same way that we got played by CAA for Bargnani.

At this point, it would be awesome if Kevin Knox could develop into Miles Bridges, much less Mikal. He's improved his shooting and that's actually good, but he needs to get that defense in order if he wants to steal some minutes.

Apparently, SGA was begging teams for a workout and we are one of the few that gave him one.

Still passed him up

[Reign23]

apparently I missed this. so please update me, who is team iq and who is team rj since I read this every other page

[jvsimonetti0514]

Grimes college coach speaks. Saying the same things I been saying!!

Quentin has to learn he’s not the lead dog,’’ Sampson told The Post after viewing the first two contests. “It’s an adjustment for all these guys. The way you play in college, eventually you’ll get to that. Quickley is a shoot-first, shoot-second, shoot-third point guard. Toppin, you can tell there’s an interest in getting those two guys going. I can tell Quentin was nervous his first game too. Quentin will operate a lot better when you run stuff for him and let him make plays out of that.”

“I thought he was too passive,’’ Sampson said. “In summer league, it’s OK to be a little selfish. Don’t take bad shots but you have to look at your window of opportunity. If you give it up, it won’t come back his way. I know how aggressive he is and how good he will be. You shouldn’t draw conclusions based on summer league games.’’

I definitely buy that there's an adjustment from being the number one option to being third but it's kinda weak trying to place some of the blame on IQ being shoot first on Grimes struggles. It's not like he hasn't gotten shots either; game 1 had 11 shots, game 2 had 10 shots, and the last 1 he had 9 in the last one. Maybe it could help if he showed any ability to attack off the dribble but seems like the coach is passing the buck.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

The stupidest crap was that there was actually one better player with more potential on the board if they wanted to go that route: MPJ. And it felt like fans wanted him, too. There were injury scares, but ugh... Only reason why I'm mad at the Knicks for missing SGA is because they got played by Calipari in the same way that we got played by CAA for Bargnani.

At this point, it would be awesome if Kevin Knox could develop into Miles Bridges, much less Mikal. He's improved his shooting and that's actually good, but he needs to get that defense in order if he wants to steal some minutes.

Apparently, SGA was begging teams for a workout and we are one of the few that gave him one.

Still passed him up

Not the same draft but we worked out Bam too

[cgmw]

Grimes college coach speaks. Saying the same things I been saying!!

Quentin has to learn he’s not the lead dog,’’ Sampson told The Post after viewing the first two contests. “It’s an adjustment for all these guys. The way you play in college, eventually you’ll get to that. Quickley is a shoot-first, shoot-second, shoot-third point guard. Toppin, you can tell there’s an interest in getting those two guys going. I can tell Quentin was nervous his first game too. Quentin will operate a lot better when you run stuff for him and let him make plays out of that.”

“I thought he was too passive,’’ Sampson said. “In summer league, it’s OK to be a little selfish. Don’t take bad shots but you have to look at your window of opportunity. If you give it up, it won’t come back his way. I know how aggressive he is and how good he will be. You shouldn’t draw conclusions based on summer league games.’’

Great quote on IQ from Sampson. Shoot first, shoot second, shoot third. It’s exactly what Thibs wants. I’ve been saying for years that D-Rose isn’t actually a PG— he’s just a scorer who needs the ball in his hands. Thibs enables that because his offense relies on individual ball domination and kickouts to initiate ball movement. Having IQ and Rose as the backup backcourt will mean that 90% of shots will come from one of the two of them dominating the ball while hunting for their own shot. Well, either them or Thibs favorite Alec Burks doing exactly the same thing.

Unless his mentality totally changes, Grimes won’t have much of a chance here except as a Bullock-like release valve. Even then he’ll need an injury to RJ, Burks, or IQ to even sniff court time.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Swinging for the fences on every pick instead of hitting the clear single is how we got Kevin Knox.

That's not to say other players may not turn out to be better. It's just saying the Knicks have chosen to maximize the probability with every pick instead of banking on potential.

They are just putting money in index funds every month instead of throwing cash on the next big alt coin

The stupidest crap was that there was actually one better player with more potential on the board if they wanted to go that route: MPJ. And it felt like fans wanted him, too. There were injury scares, but ugh... Only reason why I'm mad at the Knicks for missing SGA is because they got played by Calipari in the same way that we got played by CAA for Bargnani.

At this point, it would be awesome if Kevin Knox could develop into Miles Bridges, much less Mikal. He's improved his shooting and that's actually good, but he needs to get that defense in order if he wants to steal some minutes.

Apparently, SGA was begging teams for a workout and we are one of the few that gave him one.

Still passed him up

i love the SGA arguments like this wasn't the case. we talked about him in the draft thread with intrigue, but he was not seen as having the upside he's shown in the league. he was a bit of a late riser like knox. just happens that way sometimes.

and SGA wasn't SGA overnight. really good/important role on a playoff clippers team where he was still held back a bit. OKC completely unleashed him, but who knows exactly how much being on that clippers team impacted his development?

[GONYK]

The stupidest crap was that there was actually one better player with more potential on the board if they wanted to go that route: MPJ. And it felt like fans wanted him, too. There were injury scares, but ugh... Only reason why I'm mad at the Knicks for missing SGA is because they got played by Calipari in the same way that we got played by CAA for Bargnani.

At this point, it would be awesome if Kevin Knox could develop into Miles Bridges, much less Mikal. He's improved his shooting and that's actually good, but he needs to get that defense in order if he wants to steal some minutes.

Apparently, SGA was begging teams for a workout and we are one of the few that gave him one.

Still passed him up

i love the SGA arguments like this wasn't the case. we talked about him in the draft thread with intrigue, but he was not seen as having the upside he's shown in the league. he was a bit of a late riser like knox. just happens that way sometimes.

and SGA wasn't SGA overnight. really good/important role on a playoff clippers team where he was still held back a bit. OKC completely unleashed him, but who knows exactly how much being on that clippers team impacted his development?

And who knows how much his time with CP3 accelerated him

[Jeff Van Gully]

Apparently, SGA was begging teams for a workout and we are one of the few that gave him one.

Still passed him up

i love the SGA arguments like this wasn't the case. we talked about him in the draft thread with intrigue, but he was not seen as having the upside he's shown in the league. he was a bit of a late riser like knox. just happens that way sometimes.

and SGA wasn't SGA overnight. really good/important role on a playoff clippers team where he was still held back a bit. OKC completely unleashed him, but who knows exactly how much being on that clippers team impacted his development?

And who knows how much his time with CP3 accelerated him

gosh. forget it.

[cgmw]

i love the SGA arguments like this wasn't the case. we talked about him in the draft thread with intrigue, but he was not seen as having the upside he's shown in the league. he was a bit of a late riser like knox. just happens that way sometimes.

and SGA wasn't SGA overnight. really good/important role on a playoff clippers team where he was still held back a bit. OKC completely unleashed him, but who knows exactly how much being on that clippers team impacted his development?

And who knows how much his time with CP3 accelerated him

gosh. forget it.

Thank you. People think these guys have talent that will thrive in any environment, which is true in maybe 1% of 1% of cases. Makes you wonder if there would have been a situation for Knox where he’d be an All Star by now.

Just my opinion but SGA would have been a bust if Perry/Mills drafted him here.

[thebuzzardman]

And who knows how much his time with CP3 accelerated him

gosh. forget it.

Thank you. People think these guys have talent that will thrive in any environment, which is true in maybe 1% of 1% of cases. Makes you wonder if there would have been a situation for Knox where he’d be an All Star by now.

Just my opinion but SGA would have been a bust if Perry/Mills drafted him here.

Yes. That situation is a Fortnight tournament of champions