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Deeeez Knicks wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:We are in peak realgm mode with all of these battles going on
Some of these battles go on forever like this
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8516knicks wrote:KnicksNext wrote:robillionaire wrote:
A 25y/o didn’t win the championship because his center got exposed so he can never win a championship. The morbidly depressing outlook of a Knicks fan. Probably would have passed on 25 y/o MJ because he was getting exposed by the Pistons and didn’t win until he was 28
This probably was said around here at the time. That Michael Jordan is a career loser! He's never going to win anything!
It's literally impossible that it wasn't Mitchell's fault that he doesn't have a chip at 25. Impossible. It must be all his fault that they didn't win one yet. No chance it could be a poorly constructed roster around him. He must suck and also has zero chance of improving since he's 25 and a year older than Obi.
No one is talking about the fact that Mitchell still has a chance to improve (significantly). If anyone in here thinks Obi has a chance to improve at 24, then Mitchell has a chance to improve at 25. Some silly arguments going on in here as if Mitchell's entire career has already been determined.
So now Donovan Mitchell is the next Michael Jordan?
aggo wrote:IQ has really good +/- data and on-off court stats. look them up
thats because hes a good defender in the PNR and a good ball defender.
He's a plus on both ends of the court I have no idea why people haven't seen it.
El Poochio wrote:Who the hell is Jack Settleman
stuporman wrote:Still catching up...
but....all the talking heads think the Knicks FO will get crucified if they don't continue to pony up assets to the point it's twice as much as anyone else?
Just goes to show how feckless and vapid their lives are that they will find a way to crap on the Knicks no matter what they do because you know if they pay twice as much as anyone else was offering they'll crucify the Knicks FO for bidding against themselves and betting the farm and future.
Obitron64 wrote:We should be going after bojan bogdanovic. Way much cheaper.
KnicksNext wrote:8516knicks wrote:KnicksNext wrote:[/b]
This probably was said around here at the time. That Michael Jordan is a career loser! He's never going to win anything!
It's literally impossible that it wasn't Mitchell's fault that he doesn't have a chip at 25. Impossible. It must be all his fault that they didn't win one yet. No chance it could be a poorly constructed roster around him. He must suck and also has zero chance of improving since he's 25 and a year older than Obi.
No one is talking about the fact that Mitchell still has a chance to improve (significantly). If anyone in here thinks Obi has a chance to improve at 24, then Mitchell has a chance to improve at 25. Some silly arguments going on in here as if Mitchell's entire career has already been determined.
So now Donovan Mitchell is the next Michael Jordan?
Do I really need to respond to this?
thebuzzardman wrote:Obitron64 wrote:We should be going after bojan bogdanovic. Way much cheaper.
He'd be an excellent option to take away Grime's playing time if we can retain Grimes!
sol537 wrote:Settleman has connections but he's not normally a guy who breaks stories... either he's guessing or he knows someone close to Spida who feels like the deal will be announced by tonight.
Obi, Grimes, Fournier and 5 picks... which picks though? If it's the haul from the #11 trade plus the DAL '23 plus one of our own 1st rounders unprotected... that's pretty fair. Again... depends on the picks.
Stannis wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:We are in peak realgm mode with all of these battles going on
Some of these battles go on forever like this
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Would actually like to see some of these RealGM beefs settled on the court lol
KnixinSix wrote:sol537 wrote:Settleman has connections but he's not normally a guy who breaks stories... either he's guessing or he knows someone close to Spida who feels like the deal will be announced by tonight.
Obi, Grimes, Fournier and 5 picks... which picks though? If it's the haul from the #11 trade plus the DAL '23 plus one of our own 1st rounders unprotected... that's pretty fair. Again... depends on the picks.
The picks will be good ones....The trade is going to be contingent on that.
KnicksNext wrote:8516knicks wrote:KnicksNext wrote:[/b]
This probably was said around here at the time. That Michael Jordan is a career loser! He's never going to win anything!
It's literally impossible that it wasn't Mitchell's fault that he doesn't have a chip at 25. Impossible. It must be all his fault that they didn't win one yet. No chance it could be a poorly constructed roster around him. He must suck and also has zero chance of improving since he's 25 and a year older than Obi.
No one is talking about the fact that Mitchell still has a chance to improve (significantly). If anyone in here thinks Obi has a chance to improve at 24, then Mitchell has a chance to improve at 25. Some silly arguments going on in here as if Mitchell's entire career has already been determined.
So now Donovan Mitchell is the next Michael Jordan?
Do I really need to respond to this?
dakomish23 wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:dakomish23 wrote:
You made the accusation. I called you out on it. Now you're pretending "I was just asking a question"
Holy **** that is weak
I wasn't wrong about KP. He was an all star. He didn't even finish his rookie contract here and we got a good haul for him. He was so bad that we got that haul for him?
Knox? Me??? I was super high on Knox????Just another example of you needing to lie.
You bashed Randle in 19-20, then you were worshipping Randle during 20-21. Prisoner of the moment.
On top of that you hopped on the RJ bandwagon. So much so that you were praising RJ on the general board. Prisoner of the moment.
Then in typical prisoner of the moment fashion, you went out on Randle & RJ after the ATL series. Then every time this season they had good stretches you tried to joke it off "see he saw what I said that's why he's doing well".
You called Obi a bust a 1000x his rookie year. Now as always you like Obi. Who couldn't see that coming. Typical casual fan who's a prisoner of the moment.
This is a message board not something serious in life and you still can't find the fortitude to stand by your claims here without flip flopping?
Damn homey, that's weak AF.
No, you started it by throwing a subliminal shot at me and the "RJ haters". Nothing's weaker than a subliminal. Again, self-projection.
I asked the question because I wasn't sure. That's why question marks exist.
I do remember you moaning and complaining about the "lack of patience" for Knox. Same as you did for Frank. So don't tell me you weren't wrong about Knox. In the end, those who called him a bust early were right. You were not.
"Frank
Dotson
Knox
Zion
KP
Rejoice!"
Jesus Christ
I changed my mind about RJ. I liked him as a prospect, but admitted I was wrong and changed my mind once I accepted the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks.
Randle had a bad year, a good year, and a horrible year. My assessment of his game reflects that. Still, I wanted him traded after the 2020-21 season, because he was not as impactful as his numbers and his perception suggested. I didn't think he was worthy of All-NBA. But still he played well, and as a fan I enjoyed that. Sue me.
See, I can admit I'm wrong. I do change my mind, that doesn't make me a "prisoner of the moment". Only fools never change their mind. You never admit you were wrong, despite time and time again seeing your takes turn into absolute sheet, since nothing you predict actually materializes, outside of a thing here and there. Instead, you just deflect blame, and vaguely bring up "context" as a way to explain why things didn't happen as you predicted, instead of being a grown-up and admitting you were wrong.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2071142&p=90142433&hilit=Chanel+Bomber+RJ#p90142064Chanel Bomber wrote:This has been my opinion since before the draft.
I see RJ making incremental improvements and steadily trending upwards year after year, while Ja slowly but surely trends downwards as time goes by, or just stalls.
I just think RJ is more substance than flash than Ja is, if we viewed it as a spectrum. Some of it is about physical attributes, some of it is about mental make-up. I just trust RJ's approach to the game more than I do Ja's.
RJ is quieter, very composed and very serious about the game. I'm not implying that Ja has a negative personality, or that he isn't committed to the game of basketball, but he's more of a loudmouth and we saw him at Murray State not even bothering on the defensive end because of the load he had to carry offensively, which was perhaps self-inflicted to some degree. I guess I just prefer RJ's character traits. The hopes regarding his potential as a draft prospect rested a lot on his intangibles, to be fair.
I also think with his defense and shooting percentages, it's hard to see how Ja can contribute if he's not your featured guy, whereas RJ can be more versatile in terms of roles.
Sure buddy. Sure buddy.
Ghetto Gospel wrote:KnixinSix wrote:sol537 wrote:Settleman has connections but he's not normally a guy who breaks stories... either he's guessing or he knows someone close to Spida who feels like the deal will be announced by tonight.
Obi, Grimes, Fournier and 5 picks... which picks though? If it's the haul from the #11 trade plus the DAL '23 plus one of our own 1st rounders unprotected... that's pretty fair. Again... depends on the picks.
The picks will be good ones....The trade is going to be contingent on that.
none of the picks will be good ones after the trade, they'll all be in the upper 20s
Hes_On_Fire wrote:KnicksNext wrote:8516knicks wrote:
So now Donovan Mitchell is the next Michael Jordan?
Do I really need to respond to this?
If you think Donovan Mitchell will ever be the #1 option on a championship team you’re on a very lonely island. Nobody in the league thinks this.
