OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[Polk377]

With Browns bringing in Wilson for talks and then also trading for a QB. It tells me they are not looking to draft a QB. They prob after Hunter. I hope they sign Wilson.

Sign Wilson, take Hunter in the 1st, Offensive Lineman in the 2nd and with the 1st pick in the 3rd take Jalen Milroe. Milroe has all the talent in the world and a freak athlete. Wilson would be thr perfect mentor to him for a couple of years and Daboll can fix his footwork and mechanics like he did with Josh Allen. He has future MVP potential.

[FrozenEnvelope]

I honestly hope all the dinosaur QBs reject us and Schoen looks even worse. Cannot stand his punchable face!

Still cannot believe Mara is allowing him to waste money like this.

[DOT]

Title is a bit clickbait-y, but this is a fairly positive video on Shedeur as a prospect

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Basically the point is, if you give Shedeur a good line and scheme up quick concepts, he'll thrive. If you expect him to be Jayden Daniels, not so much

Which is my hesitancy when it comes to the Giants, cause I don't think Daboll is a great playcaller and I don't think y'all have a good enough line. I know I keep saying that, but it's just what I think.

[MrDollarBills]

Title is a bit clickbait-y, but this is a fairly positive video on Shedeur as a prospect

Watch on YouTube

Basically the point is, if you give Shedeur a good line and scheme up quick concepts, he'll thrive. If you expect him to be Jayden Daniels, not so much

Which is my hesitancy when it comes to the Giants, cause I don't think Daboll is a great playcaller and I don't think y'all have a good enough line. I know I keep saying that, but it's just what I think.

This is my concern too. Shedeur needs the right environment and time to develop. Schoen is adding line depth yeah but Andrew Thomas cannot be replaced and I don't remember the last time he played a full season.

Daboll's play calling was ass.

[MrDollarBills]

I honestly hope all the dinosaur QBs reject us and Schoen looks even worse. Cannot stand his punchable face!

Still cannot believe Mara is allowing him to waste money like this.

It's looking bad.

Oh well.

[F N 11]

I don’t get the obsession with wanted giants and co fired. The coaches are still liked and this is Joe’s first year spending for real. This fanbase is legit insane. Saquon barkley pitty party still going. I’m actually mad he’s not spending more.

[TerrenceClarke]

I don’t get the obsession with wanted giants and co fired. The coaches are still liked and this is Joe’s first year spending for real. This fanbase is legit insane. Saquon barkley pitty party still going. I’m actually mad he’s not spending more.

Bruh you sounding like a casual here.

The giants are at the top part of the league in spending since Joe been here.

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One off season I think we spent the most out of any team.

You don’t know what you talking about

You are straight bugging if you don’t think Giants fans should have issue with our FO.


It’s the reason why people are pissed ….we handing out money with no results.

That’s chart doesn’t even include what we spent this year.

Giants are spenders more so than plenty of teams who are waaaaaaaaay better than us. Just look at the teams beneath us. It’s embarrassing. The FO Sucks. I don’t know how you don’t see it .

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

[TerrenceClarke]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

[MrDollarBills]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

[DOT]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

Way I see it, Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are the two best players in the draft. I take them before anyone else even if I literally don't have a QB

If they're gone, I take a QB, but only if I need one. When I look at the next tier of non-QBs in Graham, Jeanty, T-Mac, Campbell, Warren, arguably Johnson, I see it as they're either not true blue chip prospects or they're at positions you just don't take that early unless you're a good team who happens to have a top pick

[TerrenceClarke]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

The reality is you’re not picking for the Giants.

So at the end of the day what does it matter.

The Giants NEED a QB. Logic dictates that the highest odds of a player being picked is a QB if one is there. And those odds of one being are solid.

If we dealing with ratio at number 3

Odds of QB Picked>> Odds of non QB picked.

So yeah, we know what YOU would do…

But Schoen is picking, and as of right now it’s pointing the opposite of what you want.

The odds of trade back for SS is extremely low …almost non existent if you ask me.

It’s just wishful thinking.

[TerrenceClarke]

Yo MPH

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Those stats are wrong

Shedeur had a 7.8% TD rate and 8.7 Y/A

Ward had an 8.6% TD rate and 9.5 Y/A

And they undersold Shedeur's completion percentage, he was at 74%, not 70%

Those are just the stats that are free and easily available, so I don't really trust the others in that tweet.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

I like Travis Hunter a lot too so wouldn’t be mad at that. But if we can find a franchise QB that really is the most important thing. Plus if Sanders is there, good chance either Hunter or Carter are gone anyway.

If it’s between Carter or Sanders, who would you take there?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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[DOT]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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Going to the Browns would be the absolute worst case scenario for Shedeur

Because a huge part of having a rookie deal QB is the cap space to help them, but the Browns don't have that, cause they still owe Deshaun Watson $172 million over the next 3 years

It's so bad that even if they do nothing next year to push cap into the future, they will owe him $52 million in 2027, meaning they would have 1 year of Shedeur making rookie contract money and no Watson (in 2028) before Shedeur starts making more (assuming he works out and they have to pay him). It's kind of the worst of both worlds, you get a rookie QB playing like a rookie QB, but you're paying the QB position top contract money

Plus, it's the Browns.

[Synciere]

it's pretty alarming that the comment section is full of seahawks fans praying for and feeling sorry for us. he also has the PFF grade to match so.. yeah not expecting much here

From what I read, his run blocking is decent but he's a turnstile in pass pro due to how slow his feet are.

Oh well.

What's the risk: The analytics don't paint a favorable picture of Forsythe. He had a 78.8% pass block win rate in nine games and five starts this past season. That would have been the second-worst PBWR of any tackle had he logged enough snaps to qualify. It was worse than Neal and Ezeudu.

worse than our 2 **** tackles last year huh..

He’s not going to be starting for us either. He’s not even going to be the swing tackle. By the end of the draft he may not be anything other than emergency depth.

We can’t nitpick the signing of a 5th or 6th tackle.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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Going to the Browns would be the absolute worst case scenario for Shedeur

Because a huge part of having a rookie deal QB is the cap space to help them, but the Browns don't have that, cause they still owe Deshaun Watson $172 million over the next 3 years

It's so bad that even if they do nothing next year to push cap into the future, they will owe him $52 million in 2027, meaning they would have 1 year of Shedeur making rookie contract money and no Watson (in 2028) before Shedeur starts making more (assuming he works out and they have to pay him). It's kind of the worst of both worlds, you get a rookie QB playing like a rookie QB, but you're paying the QB position top contract money

Plus, it's the Browns.

The Browns are a mess and don’t disagree with what you said. On the other side they can’t just give up the next 3 years. A rookie QB contract might be the only way to salvage that.

[mpharris36]

It would be so on brand for the Giants recently to be picking behind 3 teams that all needed QB's in a 3 QB class last year and then 2 teams that need a QB in a 2 QB class.

Just don't reach for Dart....please!