[Camelo Thread Part 8] - NJ Gets Threats From Denver!

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1281 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:42 am

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
Ama're claims he didn't reach out to Carmelo, saying......

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
Amar'e: “I don’t know what Carmelo is doing. The situation is kinda hard for me to explain. I’m not sure what his camp is thinking."

kingOfqueens · Post #1282 » by **kingOfqueens** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:43 am

god shammgod wrote:
look, by the article's logic if you trade melo for landry straight up denver should be better. would they be ? c'mon

yea i wouldn't take this "wins produced" stat so seriously.. fields has a 17.6, dwight howard has a 17.9 and durant has a 11.6. If a fields/gallo + pick + curry package gets it done then obviously you have to do it no questions asked. PLayers like melo change the dynamics of a game far beyond what any statistical computation will give you (forces double teams, clutch plays, foul calls, other free agents etc.).

Post #1283 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:43 am

AllanHoustonFan wrote:FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
Ama're claims he didn't reach out to Carmelo, saying......

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
Amar'e: “I don’t know what Carmelo is doing. The situation is kinda hard for me to explain. I’m not sure what his camp is thinking."

Stat making sure those tampering allegations disappear

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1284 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:44 am

GONYK wrote:
AllanHoustonFan wrote:FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
Ama're claims he didn't reach out to Carmelo, saying......

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
Amar'e: “I don’t know what Carmelo is doing. The situation is kinda hard for me to explain. I’m not sure what his camp is thinking."

Stat making sure those tampering allegations disappear

Bingo

NYK0605 · Post #1285 » by **NYK0605** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:45 am

This thread is a complete joke.

Keep telling yourself you don't want Melo. Enjoy a 1st round exit every year.

Does Melo make us a title team? Absolutley not.

But he is a consistent scorer whos average night is Chandler/Gallos best.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1286 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:46 am

This thread makes me giggle.

Post #1287 » by **knicks742** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:46 am

TrueWarrior wrote:
knicks742 wrote:A lot of these arguments about how good Melo is or isn't were the same arguments we had about Amar'e vs Lee. How did that turn out for us?

This is different because Amare has always been much more efficient offensively and a better defender than Lee. His advanced stats also showed a much greater impact, which is what this thread is about. The only area Lee had on Amare was rebounding, and as we're seeing now Amare's passing is getting better every game as he gets used to the a #1.

Amare >>> Melo as a #1 scorer. Its not even close.

Nope. Not a lot of people here wanted to max out Amar'e. He sucked at defense. He was the product of Nash. Etc. Most people when we signed him said it was a huge mistake.

What a lot of you are not taking in consideration is that Melo does what he does as the main focus in his team, Fields does it as a guy that noone notices. Melo would be the number 2 guy here. He has intangibles like being able to make game winning shots and he is a very good rebounder for his position. Also, the guy is 26 not 36. If Amar'e has improved, what makes you guys think that Melo can't improve as well to be a top number 2 guy in this league knowing that he is playing in his hometown so to speak and for championshinps against the Heatles?

Post #1288 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:47 am

NYK0605 wrote:This thread is a complete joke.

Keep telling yourself you don't want Melo. Enjoy a 1st round exit every year.

Does Melo make us a title team? Absolutley not.

But he is a consistent scorer whos average night is Chandler/Gallos best.

Consistent? Yes.
Efficient? No

But yes, we will be better with him than without him

Johnny_Depth · Post #1289 » by **Johnny_Depth** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:47 am

NYK0605 wrote:This thread is a complete joke.

Keep telling yourself you don't want Melo. Enjoy a 1st round exit every year.

Does Melo make us a title team? Absolutley not.

But he is a consistent scorer whos average night is Chandler/Gallos best.

And did the Knicks lose tonight because they didn't have enough scoring?

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #1290 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:48 am

The whole recruitment process of Melo has been a bit messy for us. I would think the fear of tampering charges would be extra incentive to get a deal done without Melo going into free agency.

Knickplaya · Post #1291 » by **Knickplaya** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:48 am

Thought Stern said two players talking isn't tampering????????????????????

NYK0605 · Post #1292 » by **NYK0605** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:49 am

I can just imagine Amare and Melo texting each other...

Im sure it's not like..." Hello Carmelo, i'd just like to tell you I would LOVE to phave you join me in NY"

More like...."haha at this Nets BS brah, you comin to NY like all along"

The media makes it like Amare "asked" Melo to come. They're freinds, they prob. been talking this for awhile.

TrueWarrior · Post #1293 » by **TrueWarrior** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:54 am

knicks742 wrote:
Nope. Not a lot of people here wanted to max out Amar'e. He sucked at defense. He was the product of Nash. Etc. Most people when we signed him said it was a huge mistake.

What a lot of you are not taking in consideration is that Melo does what he does as the main focus in his team, Fields does it as a guy that noone notices. Melo would be the number 2 guy here. He has intangibles like being able to make game winning shots and he is a very good rebounder for his position. Also, the guy is 26 not 36. If Amar'e has improved, what makes you guys think that Melo can't improve as well to be a top number 2 guy in this league knowing that he is playing in his hometown so to speak and for championshinps against the Heatles?

742 this is where you and other posters got it twisted. Most of us doubters know that Melo is a good player, we just dont think hes as great as some make him as. I think him coming into the league with LeBron raised his status to better than he really is. Hey I am FOR getting Melo though, but only at a bargain price with the leverage we have. Hes not a "superstar" but hes a guy who can help carry an offense. I get that. Hes not a scrub. Glenn Robinson was a good scorer too

. Hed have to be our #2 man here though, no questions asked, because Amare is much more efficient.

I just want people to know we would still have the exact same problems with Melo. Do we win tonight with Melo? Nope. So while I guess getting Melo would be a step closer, I just dont think hes as "big a step" as some think. especially if we give up alot of guys to get him. To each their own though.

Priggy Smalls · Post #1294 » by **Priggy Smalls** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:58 am

TrueWarrior wrote:
knicks742 wrote:
Nope. Not a lot of people here wanted to max out Amar'e. He sucked at defense. He was the product of Nash. Etc. Most people when we signed him said it was a huge mistake.

What a lot of you are not taking in consideration is that Melo does what he does as the main focus in his team, Fields does it as a guy that noone notices. Melo would be the number 2 guy here. He has intangibles like being able to make game winning shots and he is a very good rebounder for his position. Also, the guy is 26 not 36. If Amar'e has improved, what makes you guys think that Melo can't improve as well to be a top number 2 guy in this league knowing that he is playing in his hometown so to speak and for championshinps against the Heatles?

742 this is where you and other posters got it twisted. Most of us doubters know that Melo is a good player, we just dont think hes as great as some make him as. I think him coming into the league with LeBron raised his status to better than he really is. Hey I am FOR getting Melo though, but only at a bargain price with the leverage we have. Hes not a "superstar" but hes a guy who can help carry an offense. I get that. Hes not a scrub. Glenn Robinson was a good scorer too . Hed have to be our #2 man here though, no questions asked, because Amare is much more efficient.

I just want people to know we would still have the exact same problems with Melo. Do we win tonight with Melo? Nope. So while I guess getting Melo would be a step closer, I just dont think hes as "big a step" as some think. To each their own though.

Raymond Felton has the fourth worst adjusted plus-minus in the league this year. What do you think we should do with him? Maybe we can swing a deal for Kobe? He's 9th worst.

Pharmcat · Post #1295 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:00 am

no one is gonna deny the amare/ray P and R type play is the #1 option

but when teams defend that well (which elite teams do), or when amare gets shut down (joel anthony did that twice), Id much rather have melo as the next option than any1 else on this current roster

Post #1296 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:02 am

Pharmcat wrote:no one is gonna deny the amare/ray P and R type play is the #1 option

but when teams defend that well (which elite teams do), or when amare gets shut down (joel anthony did that twice), Id much rather have melo as the next option than any1 else on this current roster

Agreed.

If we can somehow add Mayo (longshot, I know) and a C D'Antoni can trust, we are going places.

Pharmcat · Post #1297 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:04 am

GONYK wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:no one is gonna deny the amare/ray P and R type play is the #1 option

but when teams defend that well (which elite teams do), or when amare gets shut down (joel anthony did that twice), Id much rather have melo as the next option than any1 else on this current roster

Agreed.

If we can somehow add Mayo (longshot, I know) and a C D'Antoni can trust, we are going places.

hey im all for that plan too if donnie doesnt feel comfortable with melo and the price and his impact

Post #1298 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:04 am

Pharmcat wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:no one is gonna deny the amare/ray P and R type play is the #1 option

but when teams defend that well (which elite teams do), or when amare gets shut down (joel anthony did that twice), Id much rather have melo as the next option than any1 else on this current roster

Agreed.

If we can somehow add Mayo (longshot, I know) and a C D'Antoni can trust, we are going places.

hey im all for that plan too if donnie doesnt feel comfortable with melo and the price and his impact

I meant in addition to Melo

Post #1299 » by **knicks742** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:08 am

TrueWarrior wrote:
knicks742 wrote:
Nope. Not a lot of people here wanted to max out Amar'e. He sucked at defense. He was the product of Nash. Etc. Most people when we signed him said it was a huge mistake.

What a lot of you are not taking in consideration is that Melo does what he does as the main focus in his team, Fields does it as a guy that noone notices. Melo would be the number 2 guy here. He has intangibles like being able to make game winning shots and he is a very good rebounder for his position. Also, the guy is 26 not 36. If Amar'e has improved, what makes you guys think that Melo can't improve as well to be a top number 2 guy in this league knowing that he is playing in his hometown so to speak and for championshinps against the Heatles?

742 this is where you and other posters got it twisted. Most of us doubters know that Melo is a good player, we just dont think hes as great as some make him as. I think him coming into the league with LeBron raised his status to better than he really is. Hey I am FOR getting Melo though, but only at a bargain price with the leverage we have. Hes not a "superstar" but hes a guy who can help carry an offense. I get that. Hes not a scrub. Glenn Robinson was a good scorer too . Hed have to be our #2 man here though, no questions asked, because Amare is much more efficient.

I just want people to know we would still have the exact same problems with Melo. Do we win tonight with Melo? Nope. So while I guess getting Melo would be a step closer, I just dont think hes as "big a step" as some think. especially if we give up alot of guys to get him. To each their own though.

Melo is a good rebounder so he would have helped tonight. Unlike Chandler, Melo also would not have disappeared in this game and would have been able to keep us bucket by bucket against the Jazz. Unlike the rest of the roster he would also get calls so maybe someone from the other team would also have gotten in foul trouble. He also allows the rest of the roster to stay in their more comfortable roles instead of asking them to do thing they cannot do offensively.This big comeback thing we do is fool's gold, we get so tired trying to come back from 20 points down that we don't have enough to close the deal. Its happened against Miami, the Magic and tonight.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1300 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:09 am

G- Felton
G- Mayo
F- Melo
F- Amare
C- Dalembert
:droop: