[Camelo Thread Part 15] - Slim Chance of LA/DEN Deal

Clyde_Style · Post #1281 » by **Clyde_Style** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:18 pm

Just Say No to Free Candy

truth serum · Post #1282 » by **truth serum** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:20 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
truth serum wrote:At this point, I'd take AH and Birdman over giving up Fields/Gallo. Really don't wanna lose those guys. If Moz continues to be a factor, we can make serious noise THIS YEAR with that team. We'd be so well rounded. I think Gallo would flourish off the bench too. Fields would be twice as effective. Melo is great at finding the cutter. Melo and Amar'e drawing constant double teams means Landry having a Field day. Pun intended.

The beauty of our offer is that we can still go that route before having to include Gallo or Fields. Walsh has played his hand so well, there's no reason he should feel pressured into selling the farm because of a Lakers offer that makes zero sense for both squads.

The only concern with taking back Free Candy and Bird (aside from the obvious) is that we won't be in the position to be players in 2012. If we were to include Fields or Gallo, while not having to take back one of those contracts, we'd be in the same position of leverage to put the pressure on the Hornets to move CP3 to us by the deadline next season. If we take on those contracts, we won't have ANY leverage.

We would have contracts and young pieces to offer though if Paul/Williams forced their way out like Melo is doing now. Big difference there though is that NY wouldn't be an option in FA taking away leverage in trade talks. Yet and still, we'd have some nice assets to offer up. Felton in his last year of his contract...a guy who's value will only go up by next season IMO. Good young players like Fields, Gallo, Douglas and Mozgov and marginal contracts to match salaries in Harrington and Birdman. Depending on the trade value of these young guys next year, we would still have plenty of flexibility to improve this team through trade, with or without CP3 or Deron.

IMO, it isn't those guys or bust for the Knicks. If we can land Melo without giving up Gallo and/or Fields, the need for us to strike big in summer 2012 isn't nearly as important. We'd have a really solid core to tinker with if we're not already elite by next year through improvement from within. If we need more after that, I think Donnie can find a way to trade for missing pieces not named Paul or Williams which might get the job done. If we have enough to get either of those guys through trade, then more power to us. I'm willing to take that gamble though. As I said, I think we can make waves in the playoffs this year if we make a good deal this week.

truth serum · Post #1283 » by **truth serum** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:21 pm

magnumt wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
truth serum wrote:At this point, I'd take AH and Birdman over giving up Fields/Gallo. Really don't wanna lose those guys. If Moz continues to be a factor, we can make serious noise THIS YEAR with that team. We'd be so well rounded. I think Gallo would flourish off the bench too. Fields would be twice as effective. Melo is great at finding the cutter. Melo and Amar'e drawing constant double teams means Landry having a Field day. Pun intended.

The beauty of our offer is that we can still go that route before having to include Gallo or Fields. Walsh has played his hand so well, there's no reason he should feel pressured into selling the farm because of a Lakers offer that makes zero sense for both squads.

The only concern with taking back Free Candy and Bird (aside from the obvious) is that we won't be in the position to be players in 2012. If we were to include Fields or Gallo, while not having to take back one of those contracts, we'd be in the same position of leverage to put the pressure on the Hornets to move CP3 to us by the deadline next season. If we take on those contracts, we won't have ANY leverage.

If we do indeed do a deal like that (take on AH and Birdman), and lose Fields we can still do a 2012 deal. We can S&T Felton+Gallo+Picks for Deron or Paul (more would have to be added) but it's still doable.

--Mags

Well for me, the number one rule for us to take Harrington is for us to keep Gallo and Fields. If they want us to take Free Candy and still take Fields from us, Kroenke can floss his teeth with my ass hair.

BBALLER4FR · Post #1284 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:22 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Just Say No to Free Candy

But it's free...and it's candy!

Lord Commander · Post #1285 » by **Lord Commander** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:24 pm

truth serum wrote:Well for me, the number one rule for us to take Harrington is for us to keep Gallo and Fields. If they want us to take Free Candy and still take Fields from us, Kroenke can floss his teeth with my ass hair.

putiger78 · Post #1286 » by **putiger78** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:26 pm

If taking on Harrington allows us to keep Gallo and Fields, that is such an easy decision its not even funny. Once we sign Melo to an extension, all cap flexibility is gone anyway. The only thing that taking on Harrington hurts is Dolan's pocketbook, and he has enough money. If we aren't willing to take on salary, you can basically assume that we will need to deal Gallo or Fields (or even both) if we want Melo now.

Post #1287 » by **K_ick_God** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:27 pm

I haven't done the salary cap math but what about a basic trade of:

TO MIN: Felton, Randolph, Curry, 2Rd Pick (from NYK)

TO DEN: Chandler, Brewer, Walker, 2011 1Rd Pick (from MIN), 2014 1Rd Pick (from NYK with conditions)

TO NYK: Melo, Billups, Harrington, Telfair

Clyde_Style · Post #1288 » by **Clyde_Style** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:28 pm

truth serum wrote:Well for me, the number one rule for us to take Harrington is for us to keep Gallo and Fields. If they want us to take Free Candy and still take Fields from us, Kroenke can floss his teeth with my ass hair.

If I may advise on hygeine, I would have to say if you've waited this long for a trim to the point of producing flossable strands, then perhaps it is time to consider braids down there. It could be strangely hip in a Hasidic kind of way.

CHARLYMURPHY · Post #1289 » by **CHARLYMURPHY** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:30 pm

If we take free candy that takes us out of the 2012 free agency is that a risk were willing to take? What if cp3 only wants to come to ny like melo next year as well?

Jitpal · Post #1290 » by **Jitpal** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:31 pm

Can we please stop referencing hairy asses because I keep visualizing the damn thing and I'd rather not. PLEASE? Thanks. -Jitpal

Fury · Post #1291 » by **Fury** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:31 pm

Taking back Free Candy would take us out of games forget 2012.

putiger78 · Post #1292 » by **putiger78** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:34 pm

CHARLYMURPHY wrote:If we take free candy that takes us out of the 2012 free agency is that a risk were willing to take? What if cp3 only wants to come to ny like melo next year as well?

Explain to me how we could even dream of being in free agency after having two max contracts (Amare and Melo) and trying to field a complete roster? If your dream is Paul or Williams, we are more likely to better served by keeping more tradable assets and getting one of them in a trade. We are not going to have the cap space to sign a guy out right like that after getting Melo, Harrington contract or not.

putiger78 · Post #1293 » by **putiger78** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:35 pm

Fury wrote:Taking back Free Candy would take us out of games forget 2012.

I don't think he would play a ton... and if he is that bad, we can bench him.

Post #1294 » by **K_ick_God** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:36 pm

Anthony said he hasn't heard any update from management about a potential trade, and if he isn't moved, he might sign. "I was thinking it was something that I would take a real hard look at ... and make my decision." Though Anthony has always said he was keeping his options open, he hadn't talked publicly about possibly signing until today. "As the days go on, that's something that I think about, that nothing might happen, that I'll be here, whether I have to deal with the free-agency market or re-sign the extension here with the Nuggets," he said. Asked specifically to clarify if he might sign the extension if not traded, Anthony said, "Yeah."

"I'd have to really know and understand what the future holds," Anthony said. "I'm hearing things about what direction they want to go in; they want to get younger and things like that. Though I'm 26, this is my eighth season. I'm not getting younger as far as the years go. Before you know it, I'll be in my 10th, 11th season already. That's something that I really got to take a look at."

Read more: Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony would take "real hard look" at re-signing, if no trade - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17 ... z1DVWsZVpq

Gregory151 · Post #1295 » by **Gregory151** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:36 pm

Talking this morning after the team's shootaround, Anthony brushed off recent reports that he might be traded to the Los Angeles Lakers.
"I've never heard of that. That was a new one," Anthony said. "It is what it is. Everyday is something different. I guess now is the Lakers. Until I hear something from the people that I'm supposed to hear something from, then I don't pay no attention to it."
Anthony said he hasn't heard any update from management about a potential trade, and if he isn't moved, he might sign. "I was thinking it was something that I would take a real hard look at ... and make my decision."
Though Anthony has always said he was keeping his options open, he hadn't talked publicly about possibly signing until today.
"As the days go on, that's something that I think about, that nothing might happen, that I'll be here, whether I have to deal with the free-agency market or re-sign the extension here with the Nuggets," he said.
Asked specifically to clarify if he might sign the extension if not traded, Anthony said, "Yeah."
A key regarding that decision, Anthony said, would be understanding what the Nuggets' plan is going forward after this season.
"I'd have to really know and understand what the future holds," Anthony said. "I'm hearing things about what direction they want to go in; they want to get younger and things like that. Though I'm 26, this is my eighth season. I'm not getting younger as far as the years go. Before you know it, I'll be in my 10th, 11th season already. That's something that I really got to take a look at."

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Edit: lol Damn KG you got me

putiger78 · Post #1296 » by **putiger78** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:37 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Anthony said he hasn't heard any update from management about a potential trade, and if he isn't moved, he might sign. "I was thinking it was something that I would take a real hard look at ... and make my decision." Though Anthony has always said he was keeping his options open, he hadn't talked publicly about possibly signing until today. "As the days go on, that's something that I think about, that nothing might happen, that I'll be here, whether I have to deal with the free-agency market or re-sign the extension here with the Nuggets," he said. Asked specifically to clarify if he might sign the extension if not traded, Anthony said, "Yeah."

"I'd have to really know and understand what the future holds," Anthony said. "I'm hearing things about what direction they want to go in; they want to get younger and things like that. Though I'm 26, this is my eighth season. I'm not getting younger as far as the years go. Before you know it, I'll be in my 10th, 11th season already. That's something that I really got to take a look at."

Read more: Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony would take "real hard look" at re-signing, if no trade - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17 ... z1DVWsZVpq

Carmelo gave the political answer... now the media has jumped on this as if there is a realistic shot he is going to resign there.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1297 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:40 pm

the decision pt. 2 is on the horizon

drp07644 · Post #1298 » by **drp07644** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:40 pm

if melo resigns with the nuggets, who is more hated in NY? Lebron or Melo?

god shammgod · Post #1299 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:41 pm

so for him to stay, they'd have to spend more and upgrade the talent. he's not staying.

Jitpal · Post #1300 » by **Jitpal** » Wed Feb 9, 2011 11:41 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Anthony said he hasn't heard any update from management about a potential trade, and if he isn't moved, he might sign. "I was thinking it was something that I would take a real hard look at ... and make my decision." Though Anthony has always said he was keeping his options open, he hadn't talked publicly about possibly signing until today. "As the days go on, that's something that I think about, that nothing might happen, that I'll be here, whether I have to deal with the free-agency market or re-sign the extension here with the Nuggets," he said. Asked specifically to clarify if he might sign the extension if not traded, Anthony said, "Yeah."

"I'd have to really know and understand what the future holds," Anthony said. "I'm hearing things about what direction they want to go in; they want to get younger and things like that. Though I'm 26, this is my eighth season. I'm not getting younger as far as the years go. Before you know it, I'll be in my 10th, 11th season already. That's something that I really got to take a look at."

Read more: Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony would take "real hard look" at re-signing, if no trade - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17 ... z1DVWsZVpq

-Jitpal