Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

Pharmcat · Post #1281 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:34 pm

instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

Post #1282 » by **moocow007** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:34 pm

mvplayur wrote:Felton, MWP and a 2018 first round pick would be FAIR imo. Slightly favours Toronto though.

If you guys replace MWP with THJ or Shumpert, you lose the trade handily though.

Honestly, fans are shortsighted and only care about what have you done for me lately. Across their careers both Felton and Lowry have put up about the same stats considering usage and minutes. I think folks still have the image of Lowry when he had that crazy run with the Rockets 3 years ago. Oddly, they seem to have forgotten the Felton that had an even better run with the Knicks at around the same time.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #1283 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:34 pm

J0rdan4life42o wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
J0rdan4life42o wrote:Come to think of it...it's mind boggling how Grunwald put no protection on the 2016 pick in the AB trade.

Was already subject to a pick swap.

Right, but the pick could still be protected even if Denver swaps 2016 picks. Say NY's 2016 1st rounder is #18 and Denver's is #19, NY could still have applied top 20 protection on the pick, allowing them to retain it.

Are you sure that's possible? How in the world could you apply protection to a pick you don't even own (e.g. your hypothetical above as Denver would obviously exercise the swap).

Mars_Blackmon · Post #1284 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:34 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

nope

NOOB77 · Post #1285 » by **NOOB77** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:34 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

Nobody say anything make him read all the pages.....

Fat Kat · Post #1286 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:35 pm

mvplayur wrote:Felton, MWP and a 2018 first round pick would be FAIR imo. Slightly favours Toronto though.

If you guys replace MWP with THJ or Shumpert, you lose the trade handily though.

How the hell is that fair for a rental? Getting raped is one thing, liking it is another.

Knick Swisher · Post #1287 » by **Knick Swisher** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:35 pm

What is it about Ujiri that the Knicks can't stay away from/bend over for? Is it the accent?

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #1288 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:35 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

Woj says Felton MWP 2018 First for Lowry. Others have disputed this. Seems as though assets possibly on table are Shump, THJR, or 2018 First with Toronto wanting two of the three.

WhyISO · Post #1289 » by **WhyISO** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:35 pm

moocow007 wrote:
mvplayur wrote:Felton, MWP and a 2018 first round pick would be FAIR imo. Slightly favours Toronto though.

If you guys replace MWP with THJ or Shumpert, you lose the trade handily though.

Honestly, fans are shortsighted and only care about what have you done for me lately. Across their careers both Felton and Lowry have put up about the same stats considering usage and minutes. I think folks still have the image of Lowry when he had that crazy run with the Rockets 3 years ago. Oddly, they seem to have forgotten the Felton that had an even better run with the Knicks at around the same time.

Are you trying to say that this isn't an upgrade but a lateral move?

Mike Breen · Post #1290 » by **Mike Breen** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:36 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

It looks like

Lowry for Felton, MWP, 2018 1st, potential protection or swap.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #1291 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:36 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
mvplayur wrote:Felton, MWP and a 2018 first round pick would be FAIR imo. Slightly favours Toronto though.

If you guys replace MWP with THJ or Shumpert, you lose the trade handily though.

How the hell is that fair for a rental? Getting raped is one thing, liking it is another.

We would almost certainly re-sign Lowry.

Jay10 · Post #1292 » by **Jay10** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:36 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

Knicks don't want to burn first-rounder for Kyle Lowry and naturally prefer to keep Hardaway Jr. + save Shumpert (for another deal). But Toronto insisting on a first since proposed trade not only sends Lowry to NYK but sticks Raps w/Felton's longer-term $. Let's see who bends

- marc stein

And at last report, Toronto was said to be seeking TWO of the following three: Shumpert, Hardaway Jr., Future First. A bit pricey, I'd say

- marc stein

Post #1293 » by **moocow007** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:36 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
mvplayur wrote:Felton, MWP and a 2018 first round pick would be FAIR imo. Slightly favours Toronto though.

If you guys replace MWP with THJ or Shumpert, you lose the trade handily though.

How the hell is that fair for a rental? Getting raped is one thing, liking it is another.

It's not fair IMO. Better be some healthy protection on that 2018 1st.

Starksfor3 · Post #1294 » by **Starksfor3** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:36 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

Shump THJ and all our picks for the rest of eternity for Landry Fields.

Knicks are strongly considering it.

MKCATL · Post #1295 » by **MKCATL** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:36 pm

2015 pick swap pr any other year pick swap isn't happening if it;s only Felton in the deal, it'd mean that they are basically trading for Felton, and no other guarantee

Knox · Post #1296 » by **Knox** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:37 pm

YaMomsEx wrote:Let's see if Steve Mills has some balls

HOLD YOUR GROUND AND DIG IN MILLS

Fat · Post #1297 » by **Fat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:37 pm

Pharmcat wrote:instead of reading 86 pgs, is there a proposed trade on the table?

thanks

i recommend reading youll get a chuckle outta it

agentzero2010 · Post #1298 » by **agentzero2010** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:37 pm

You knicks fans are so funny. At the beginning of the season, i came here and said that your team will not win 54 games again because your team is injury prone and many people replied by calling me an idiot. Now you guys want kyle lowry; a shoot first point guard playing next to carmelo (one of the biggest ball stoppers), he is also injury prone and honestly, he won't win you guys many games. Just let carmelo go, wait until stademire's contract expires, and restart from the ground up and stop giving away your picks. This team was flawed from the beginning and now you guys just want to delay the inevitable.

SuperBro · Post #1299 » by **SuperBro** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:37 pm

[GR] wrote:

Haha this is great :lol:

I like the deals for both sides. Hopefully it will help you guys get out of the mess you're in. Lowry has been great for the raps this year, I'd hate to see him go but he'll get a big contract next year and don't fit into our plans.

I think it's going to be a big trade with more players involved because I'm quite sure Masai wants at least a 1st rounder or Shump and Hardaway jr. So we'll have to add more players to the deal. I hope we don't have to toss in Amir.

Mush Man · Post #1300 » by **Mush Man** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:38 pm

Mars_Blackmon wrote:
PG market is weak we could get Lowry for 5-6M long term

I bet if this goes down where we give up Felton, Shump, Hardaway and a pick, Dolan over-reacts and extends him at Rondo/Parker/Lawson/Evans type numbers - 10-12m per year - Something like 4/44m matching what Tyreke Evans got from New Orleans

There are a bunch of PGs signed to over 8m per in the last few years (Jennings, Teague, Nelson, Lin, Conley). We'll come in higher than that just to justify the haul we gave to get him