OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[robillionaire]

Watch on YouTube

I think that was a pretty strong interview from Biden, especially since Charlemagne came prepared.

the man simply cannot help himself

Read on Twitter

?s=20

If you watch the interview, it wasn't in the context that Politico framed that comment in. It wasn't said contentiously at all.

I actually give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to be funny, still cringe af tho

[GONYK]

the man simply cannot help himself

Read on Twitter

?s=20

If you watch the interview, it wasn't in the context that Politico framed that comment in. It wasn't said contentiously at all.

I actually give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to be funny, still cringe af tho

Oh, I agree.

Even Charlemagne kinda had to awkwardly laugh it off.

[Phish Tank]

Watch on YouTube

I think that was a pretty strong interview from Biden, especially since Charlemagne came prepared.

the man simply cannot help himself

Read on Twitter

?s=20

If you watch the interview, it wasn't in the context that Politico framed that comment in. It wasn't said contentiously at all.

yea, that's an encapsulation of the soundbite era we live in and the national media craves in the 24/7 horserace news cycle

[mpharris36]

Read on Twitter

[mpharris36]

If you watch the interview, it wasn't in the context that Politico framed that comment in. It wasn't said contentiously at all.

I actually give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to be funny, still cringe af tho

Oh, I agree.

Even Charlemagne kinda had to awkwardly laugh it off.

Somehow that comment brought me back to this Tracey Morgan sketch

Watch on YouTube

[j4remi]

I would take the Klobuchar news with a grain of salt. She was going to be vetted anyways and this seems like a leak from her camp

I see two ways to it:
1. Klobuchar leaked it to be the first name directly attached, but I haven't seen any actual indication this is what happened.

2. The Biden Campaign is continuing to use the VP search to keep his name in the news without him actually being in front of cameras much. They played Stacey Abrams out last week, got Warren walking pivoting on single payer healthcare and then let the Klobuchar story leak (Kamala Harris probably rates a leak next).

If 2 is true, I think it's seriously troublesome.

Idk about 2). He’s really on camera a bunch and I honestly think he’s on too much. It’s just become an unnecessary horse race to me, fueled by national media desperate for views


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He's running for President during a pandemic and recession breh, what constitutes a bunch? The problem isn't that he's in front of cameras too much, it's how little he has to offer and how poorly he performs. What views we've gotten of him have been pretty weak performances with gaffes getting highlighted. He needs to be on camera less, but needs to keep his name relevant and we've literally seen the "float a politically expedient name for VP consideration" strategy out of Biden's camp tactic used in the past.

On pinning this all on media, I don't think that works as an assumption because
A) a race for VP choice isn't that big an attention grabber beyond informed Dems who likely watch a lot of political programs anyone.

B) Someone has to feed these outlets the news. I doubt Abrams set up the on screen interview that included her and I don't think she'd have gone on if she'd expected Biden to basically take her out of the running live on-air.

C) The VP sweepstakes thing has been a way for Biden to slip his name into conversations from premature discussions in this cycle to throughout the 2015-2016 range while he was barely considering a run...but wanted to test the water with progressives by latching on to the Draft Warren campaign.

Idk, I've paid a decent amount of attention to Biden for over a decade and this has two typical Biden directions it can go. Riding another person's name to try and amass additional support or just being terrible at campaigning generally speaking.

[Phish Tank]

I see two ways to it:
1. Klobuchar leaked it to be the first name directly attached, but I haven't seen any actual indication this is what happened.

2. The Biden Campaign is continuing to use the VP search to keep his name in the news without him actually being in front of cameras much. They played Stacey Abrams out last week, got Warren walking pivoting on single payer healthcare and then let the Klobuchar story leak (Kamala Harris probably rates a leak next).

If 2 is true, I think it's seriously troublesome.

Idk about 2). He’s really on camera a bunch and I honestly think he’s on too much. It’s just become an unnecessary horse race to me, fueled by national media desperate for views


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He's running for President during a pandemic and recession breh, what constitutes a bunch? The problem isn't that he's in front of cameras too much, it's how little he has to offer and how poorly he performs. What views we've gotten of him have been pretty weak performances with gaffes getting highlighted. He needs to be on camera less, but needs to keep his name relevant and we've literally seen the "float a politically expedient name for VP consideration" strategy out of Biden's camp tactic used in the past.

On pinning this all on media, I don't think that works as an assumption because
A) a race for VP choice isn't that big an attention grabber beyond informed Dems who likely watch a lot of political programs anyone.

B) Someone has to feed these outlets the news. I doubt Abrams set up the on screen interview that included her and I don't think she'd have gone on if she'd expected Biden to basically take her out of the running live on-air.

C) The VP sweepstakes thing has been a way for Biden to slip his name into conversations from premature discussions in this cycle to throughout the 2015-2016 range while he was barely considering a run...but wanted to test the water with progressives by latching on to the Draft Warren campaign.

Idk, I've paid a decent amount of attention to Biden for over a decade and this has two typical Biden directions it can go. Riding another person's name to try and amass additional support or just being terrible at campaigning generally speaking.

The gaffes and other noise is just a bunch of political theater. There's only a binary option. Do we want a judiciary that further shifts to the right and invalidates any attempt we can make to change the world or do we want the option to elect someone, albeit flawed, that can potentially be moved further to the left than he already has..... that's the real choice we have

[j4remi]

The gaffes and other noise is just a bunch of political theater. There's only a binary option. Do we want a judiciary that further shifts to the right and invalidates any attempt we can make to change the world or do we want the option to elect someone, albeit flawed, that can potentially be moved further to the left than he already has..... that's the real choice we have

Phish, are we discussing who leaked Amy Klobuchar's vetting to the media or whether Biden is a better option than Trump? My stance on Biden being an obviously better choice than Trump has been stated repeatedly. If we're discussing who we think leaked the Klobuchar vetting and for what purpose, that's different. We don't pull the man left by ignoring his flaws or not challenging the aspects of his campaign we dislike or see as potentially problematic; we also don't hurt his chances for anyone that isn't knee deep in Right Wing propaganda.

And no, I think it's preposterous to just lump all of the gaffes together. The Mandela lie from February wasn't even a gaffe, it was a lie and political theater didn't pick that one up. The Reade story isn't theater, it says more about the Me Too organizations principles than Biden, but it's a story that deserved coverage. Even on the cringe stuff, we're talking about a man running for president. Being cringey is a consideration to take in when you discuss a candidate in an election because how they're portrayed tells you more about their ability to win than who they really are in many cases...word to Chomsky.

[Phish Tank]

The gaffes and other noise is just a bunch of political theater. There's only a binary option. Do we want a judiciary that further shifts to the right and invalidates any attempt we can make to change the world or do we want the option to elect someone, albeit flawed, that can potentially be moved further to the left than he already has..... that's the real choice we have

Phish, are we discussing who leaked Amy Klobuchar's vetting to the media or whether Biden is a better option than Trump? My stance on Biden being an obviously better choice than Trump has been stated repeatedly. If we're discussing who we think leaked the Klobuchar vetting and for what purpose, that's different.

And no, I think it's preposterous to just lump all of the gaffes together. The Mandela lie from February wasn't even a gaffe, it was a lie and political theater didn't pick that one up. The Reade story isn't theater, it says more about the Me Too organizations principles than Biden, but it's a story that deserved coverage. Even on the cringe stuff, we're talking about a man running for president. Being cringey is a consideration to take in when you discuss a candidate in an election because how they're portrayed tells you more about their ability to win than who they really are in many cases...word to Chomsky.

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

[GONYK]

The gaffes and other noise is just a bunch of political theater. There's only a binary option. Do we want a judiciary that further shifts to the right and invalidates any attempt we can make to change the world or do we want the option to elect someone, albeit flawed, that can potentially be moved further to the left than he already has..... that's the real choice we have

Phish, are we discussing who leaked Amy Klobuchar's vetting to the media or whether Biden is a better option than Trump? My stance on Biden being an obviously better choice than Trump has been stated repeatedly. If we're discussing who we think leaked the Klobuchar vetting and for what purpose, that's different.

And no, I think it's preposterous to just lump all of the gaffes together. The Mandela lie from February wasn't even a gaffe, it was a lie and political theater didn't pick that one up. The Reade story isn't theater, it says more about the Me Too organizations principles than Biden, but it's a story that deserved coverage. Even on the cringe stuff, we're talking about a man running for president. Being cringey is a consideration to take in when you discuss a candidate in an election because how they're portrayed tells you more about their ability to win than who they really are in many cases...word to Chomsky.

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

This is basically why I think Harris is going to get serious consideration, even though I don't think she is too much of a national needle mover.

To be honest, I'm not even sure how much she's liked within the black community

[Phish Tank]

Phish, are we discussing who leaked Amy Klobuchar's vetting to the media or whether Biden is a better option than Trump? My stance on Biden being an obviously better choice than Trump has been stated repeatedly. If we're discussing who we think leaked the Klobuchar vetting and for what purpose, that's different.

And no, I think it's preposterous to just lump all of the gaffes together. The Mandela lie from February wasn't even a gaffe, it was a lie and political theater didn't pick that one up. The Reade story isn't theater, it says more about the Me Too organizations principles than Biden, but it's a story that deserved coverage. Even on the cringe stuff, we're talking about a man running for president. Being cringey is a consideration to take in when you discuss a candidate in an election because how they're portrayed tells you more about their ability to win than who they really are in many cases...word to Chomsky.

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

This is basically why I think Harris is going to get serious consideration, even though I don't think she is too much of a national needle mover.

To be honest, I'm not even sure how much she's liked within the black community

I think there's a contingency of people that don't like that she was a "law-and-order" (quote unquote) AG and a prosecutor. But I would need real polling to determine that conclusion.

[j4remi]

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

I could see both parties being cool with the leak. It's legitimately a common Biden campaign tactic since he was "thinking about running" in 2015 at a minimum. Klobuchar has everything to gain from it too though, Warren was grabbing headlines in the morning.

I think Klobuchar and Whitmer have the best chance with Warren as a dark horse at this point. Whitmer and Klobuchar winning by geography and Warren off actual recognition and but I'm looking at precedent and thinking geography wins out Kaine style.

I do co-sign Maxwell that it should be a black woman; but the best choice to me there would actually be Ayanna Pressley. She would cover the Warren gang, Bernie's crew is warm to her (he supported her even after she rode with Warren too), and I don't think there's a better example of a politician knowing how to speak to black voters in this cycle than when Pressley came through for Warren as she froze up amid protest chants. Unfortunately, she's not an option.

[j4remi]

This is basically why I think Harris is going to get serious consideration, even though I don't think she is too much of a national needle mover.

To be honest, I'm not even sure how much she's liked within the black community

I'd be curious as hell to see if her support in polling breaks down by age in a similar manner to Biden. Which is to say, Biden won big with older black voters, lost by a smaller but significant margin with younger black voters (who also didn't turnout as much). This is mainly based anecdotally on what I've seen and who I've chopped it up with. Progressives don't really rock with Harris based on her history (Copmala memes) but honestly, legislatively her record doesn't have any major blemishes. I'm skeptical of her like I am of the entire Gen X crew that came through the Democratic pipeline, but open to her being someone we can move left on issues or who might have held further left ideals and just had to play the game to survive during the zeitgeist of the Third Way party dominance.

[Phish Tank]

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

I could see both parties being cool with the leak. It's legitimately a common Biden campaign tactic since he was "thinking about running" in 2015 at a minimum. Klobuchar has everything to gain from it too though, Warren was grabbing headlines in the morning.

I think Klobuchar and Whitmer have the best chance with Warren as a dark horse at this point. Whitmer and Klobuchar winning by geography and Warren off actual recognition and but I'm looking at precedent and thinking geography wins out Kaine style.

I do co-sign Maxwell that it should be a black woman; but the best choice to me there would actually be Ayanna Pressley. She would cover the Warren gang, Bernie's crew is warm to her (he supported her even after she rode with Warren too), and I don't think there's a better example of a politician knowing how to speak to black voters in this cycle than when Pressley came through for Warren as she froze up amid protest chants. Unfortunately, she's not an option.

The irony of the Kaine pick is that the Clinton campaign didn't even benefit off of geography.

I'm trying to think of candidates in the grand scheme of things and what characteristics truly matter in a VP election. I'm just listing out bullet notes below:

1) Complement political positions (i.e. get someone more progressive)
2) Or be simpatico?
3) Politically beneficial (i.e. rust belt or the south)
4) POC (also similar to 3)
5) Experience

The mistake made with understanding POC (and really with people in general), as you and others know, is that POC are not a monolith. African Americans in the northeast don't have the same mindset as those in the west coast or those in Texas or the South. Those have to be taken into consideration. If a WOC is chosen as a VP, can she attract all regions of minorities to the ballot box?

Pressley's interesting, but might just be a bit too inexperienced and less politically expedient.

Harris has a similar problem in political expediency, but has a more deeper issue in trust, especially when it comes to being tough on crime. Although, in my opinion, that perspective is in simpatico with some of the older members of the CBC that originally supported the 94 Crime Bill....... we shall see.

I wouldn't necessarily rule out Keshia Lance Bottoms - mayor of Atlanta - either. She's had now 3 years as mayor of the city, is quite popular as mayor, and has been a loyal Biden surrogate since the jump. Clyburn's also pretty high on her prospects. If Georgia's even considered a serious state - potentially Florida - she might be an asset. I think Abrams is probably the preferential choice amongst GA women, but Mayor Bottoms out.

A female latino VP would be nice. AOC's too young this cycle, but I'd prefer her as presidential in 2024.

[robillionaire]

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

I could see both parties being cool with the leak. It's legitimately a common Biden campaign tactic since he was "thinking about running" in 2015 at a minimum. Klobuchar has everything to gain from it too though, Warren was grabbing headlines in the morning.

I think Klobuchar and Whitmer have the best chance with Warren as a dark horse at this point. Whitmer and Klobuchar winning by geography and Warren off actual recognition and but I'm looking at precedent and thinking geography wins out Kaine style.

I do co-sign Maxwell that it should be a black woman; but the best choice to me there would actually be Ayanna Pressley. She would cover the Warren gang, Bernie's crew is warm to her (he supported her even after she rode with Warren too), and I don't think there's a better example of a politician knowing how to speak to black voters in this cycle than when Pressley came through for Warren as she froze up amid protest chants. Unfortunately, she's not an option.

The irony of the Kaine pick is that the Clinton campaign didn't even benefit off of geography.

I'm trying to think of candidates in the grand scheme of things and what characteristics truly matter in a VP election. I'm just listing out bullet notes below:

1) Complement political positions (i.e. get someone more progressive)
2) Or be simpatico?
3) Politically beneficial (i.e. rust belt or the south)
4) POC (also similar to 3)
5) Experience

The mistake made with understanding POC (and really with people in general), as you and others know, is that POC are not a monolith. African Americans in the northeast don't have the same mindset as those in the west coast or those in Texas or the South. Those have to be taken into consideration. If a WOC is chosen as a VP, can she attract all regions of minorities to the ballot box?

Pressley's interesting, but might just be a bit too inexperienced and less politically expedient.

Harris has a similar problem in political expediency, but has a more deeper issue in trust, especially when it comes to being tough on crime. Although, in my opinion, that perspective is in simpatico with some of the older members of the CBC that originally supported the 94 Crime Bill....... we shall see.

I wouldn't necessarily rule out Keshia Lance Bottoms - mayor of Atlanta - either. She's had now 3 years as mayor of the city, is quite popular as mayor, and has been a loyal Biden surrogate since the jump. Clyburn's also pretty high on her prospects. If Georgia's even considered a serious state - potentially Florida - she might be an asset. I think Abrams is probably the preferential choice amongst GA women, but Mayor Bottoms out.

A female latino VP would be nice. AOC's too young this cycle, but I'd prefer her as presidential in 2024.

I believe they will choose klob because she represents the primary demographic that the campaign is trying to appeal to. Suburban white republican women who don’t like trump and make 250-400k. They already believe they are entitled to the rest of us supporting them so I don’t presume they will put forth much more of an effort

[nedleeds]

The gaffes and other noise is just a bunch of political theater. There's only a binary option. Do we want a judiciary that further shifts to the right and invalidates any attempt we can make to change the world or do we want the option to elect someone, albeit flawed, that can potentially be moved further to the left than he already has..... that's the real choice we have

Phish, are we discussing who leaked Amy Klobuchar's vetting to the media or whether Biden is a better option than Trump? My stance on Biden being an obviously better choice than Trump has been stated repeatedly. If we're discussing who we think leaked the Klobuchar vetting and for what purpose, that's different.

And no, I think it's preposterous to just lump all of the gaffes together. The Mandela lie from February wasn't even a gaffe, it was a lie and political theater didn't pick that one up. The Reade story isn't theater, it says more about the Me Too organizations principles than Biden, but it's a story that deserved coverage. Even on the cringe stuff, we're talking about a man running for president. Being cringey is a consideration to take in when you discuss a candidate in an election because how they're portrayed tells you more about their ability to win than who they really are in many cases...word to Chomsky.

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

It's interesting that a black woman wants a black woman to be the VP? This is the least interesting and most predictable thing I've ever heard.

Klobuchar is so much more qualified than Abrams it's not close. Abrams will lose the center left to Trump and makes Trump a slam dunk in places like Georgia. She's for things that don't resonate with working middle class non-blacks like reparations and complete gun bans.

If Biden thinks he just needs a black face to motivate the black vote then he's in a pretty bad place IMO.

[j4remi]

The irony of the Kaine pick is that the Clinton campaign didn't even benefit off of geography.

I'm trying to think of candidates in the grand scheme of things and what characteristics truly matter in a VP election. I'm just listing out bullet notes below:

1) Complement political positions (i.e. get someone more progressive)
2) Or be simpatico?
3) Politically beneficial (i.e. rust belt or the south)
4) POC (also similar to 3)
5) Experience

The mistake made with understanding POC (and really with people in general), as you and others know, is that POC are not a monolith. African Americans in the northeast don't have the same mindset as those in the west coast or those in Texas or the South. Those have to be taken into consideration. If a WOC is chosen as a VP, can she attract all regions of minorities to the ballot box?

Pressley's interesting, but might just be a bit too inexperienced and less politically expedient.

Harris has a similar problem in political expediency, but has a more deeper issue in trust, especially when it comes to being tough on crime. Although, in my opinion, that perspective is in simpatico with some of the older members of the CBC that originally supported the 94 Crime Bill....... we shall see.

I wouldn't necessarily rule out Keshia Lance Bottoms - mayor of Atlanta - either. She's had now 3 years as mayor of the city, is quite popular as mayor, and has been a loyal Biden surrogate since the jump. Clyburn's also pretty high on her prospects. If Georgia's even considered a serious state - potentially Florida - she might be an asset. I think Abrams is probably the preferential choice amongst GA women, but Mayor Bottoms out.

A female latino VP would be nice. AOC's too young this cycle, but I'd prefer her as presidential in 2024.

I like that list a lot. I think complimentary political positions is how you really create a unifying ticket, but on simpatico I think it varies in mileage. You're better off having someone cover your weak points and can sell your non-supporters than to have someone who reinforces your strengths...typically. With our top two candidates this past election being older gentleman, I do think more consideration has to be applied (not only from Biden, Bernie would have the same political minefield to navigate of pleasing supporters and drawing enthusiasm from his former opposition). Agreed on 3,4 and 5 in that order but with 3 and 4 being more like 3a and 3b right now.

Agreed on Harris (I alluded to the sentiment in another post but I'm not sure how much of her rhetoric was based on zeitgeist versus actual deeply held beliefs). Bottoms would be interesting but I don't think she has the broad based recognition Biden would be looking for. Abrams got the attention and if she didn't get the call, then I think Bottoms is unlikely. I wish Barbara Lee were a bit younger...might be able to spin her birthplace in El Paso to play the Texas card.

I have high hopes for AOC too but not presidential. I want her to take Schumer's seat as badly as a lot of mechanisms in and around NYC are working to poison that well. I know a Jayapal/AOC leadership tandem is a complete pipedream, but I'd be much more confident in our leadership with them over Pelosi/Schumer having watched their decisions in dealing with Trump.

I believe they will choose klob because she represents the primary demographic that the campaign is trying to appeal to. Suburban white republican women who don’t like trump and make 250-400k. They already believe they are entitled to the rest of us supporting them do I don’t presume they will put forth much more of an effort

I'm worried about this too. I've seen/heard some stories that the Biden campaign isn't planning to make a push for Hispanic voters on a similar logic. It's also why I think that Charlemagne gaffe hurts. There's a point earlier in the interview where he literally asked about the feeling that black voters are taken for granted and then Joe hits the "if you don't pick me over Trump, you're not black"...it was a bad joke attempt, but the tone deafness of it comes down to how it plays amid the "Dems take POC for granted" concept. Whether he meant it that way or not, he really stepped in an easily avoidable mistake.

[Phish Tank]

I like that list a lot. I think complimentary political positions is how you really create a unifying ticket, but on simpatico I think it varies in mileage. You're better off having someone cover your weak points and can sell your non-supporters than to have someone who reinforces your strengths...typically. With our top two candidates this past election being older gentleman, I do think more consideration has to be applied (not only from Biden, Bernie would have the same political minefield to navigate of pleasing supporters and drawing enthusiasm from his former opposition). Agreed on 3,4 and 5 in that order but with 3 and 4 being more like 3a and 3b right now.

Agreed on Harris (I alluded to the sentiment in another post but I'm not sure how much of her rhetoric was based on zeitgeist versus actual deeply held beliefs). Bottoms would be interesting but I don't think she has the broad based recognition Biden would be looking for. Abrams got the attention and if she didn't get the call, then I think Bottoms is unlikely. I wish Barbara Lee were a bit younger...might be able to spin her birthplace in El Paso to play the Texas card.

I have high hopes for AOC too but not presidential. I want her to take Schumer's seat as badly as a lot of mechanisms in and around NYC are working to poison that well. I know a Jayapal/AOC leadership tandem is a complete pipedream, but I'd be much more confident in our leadership with them over Pelosi/Schumer having watched their decisions in dealing with Trump.

Yep exactly. If I was ranking, I'd probably move simpatico somewhere between 4 and 5. Fair point on Bottoms, we'll have to see how things play off. I do agree on AOC gunning for Schumer's spot in 2022. I'd at least make a run for the money. But Pelosi's going to be harder to remove......

I believe they will choose klob because she represents the primary demographic that the campaign is trying to appeal to. Suburban white republican women who don’t like trump and make 250-400k. They already believe they are entitled to the rest of us supporting them do I don’t presume they will put forth much more of an effort

I'm worried about this too. I've seen/heard some stories that the Biden campaign isn't planning to make a push for Hispanic voters on a similar logic. It's also why I think that Charlemagne gaffe hurts. There's a point earlier in the interview where he literally asked about the feeling that black voters are taken for granted and then Joe hits the "if you don't pick me over Trump, you're not black"...it was a bad joke attempt, but the tone deafness of it comes down to how it plays amid the "Dems take POC for granted" concept. Whether he meant it that way or not, he really stepped in an easily avoidable mistake.[/quote]

[HarthorneWingo]

Idk about 2). He’s really on camera a bunch and I honestly think he’s on too much. It’s just become an unnecessary horse race to me, fueled by national media desperate for views


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I disagree. Klobuchar will be a problem for young (under 45) voters. Biden already has an enthusiasm problem. Is a Biden/Klobuchar ticket better than Trump/Pence, sure. So is the dump and pee I just took.

my view is I don't think she's going to be the VP

Who's your horse?

[HarthorneWingo]

Phish, are we discussing who leaked Amy Klobuchar's vetting to the media or whether Biden is a better option than Trump? My stance on Biden being an obviously better choice than Trump has been stated repeatedly. If we're discussing who we think leaked the Klobuchar vetting and for what purpose, that's different.

And no, I think it's preposterous to just lump all of the gaffes together. The Mandela lie from February wasn't even a gaffe, it was a lie and political theater didn't pick that one up. The Reade story isn't theater, it says more about the Me Too organizations principles than Biden, but it's a story that deserved coverage. Even on the cringe stuff, we're talking about a man running for president. Being cringey is a consideration to take in when you discuss a candidate in an election because how they're portrayed tells you more about their ability to win than who they really are in many cases...word to Chomsky.

Oh damn, we're talking two different things then..... let's refocus back to the original ?

re: who leaked Klobuchar's vetting, my guess is both parties did... Biden's campaign wants to gauge the waters of progressives and Klobuchar realizes she might be behind the rest of the pack.

I thought this was an interesting soundbite tho:

Read on Twitter

with that said, I still don't believe Klobuchar will be the VP

It's interesting that a black woman wants a black woman to be the VP? This is the least interesting and most predictable thing I've ever heard.

Klobuchar is so much more qualified than Abrams it's not close. Abrams will lose the center left to Trump and makes Trump a slam dunk in places like Georgia. She's for things that don't resonate with working middle class non-blacks like reparations and complete gun bans.

If Biden thinks he just needs a black face to motivate the black vote then he's in a pretty bad place IMO.

Not only did Biden promise publicly at the debate to select a black female, I have little to no doubt that selecting one was the quid pro quo for Biden selecting an African American woman. If picks one of these lille white women, they're going to be some angry black woman. As Damon Wayans once said, even Mike Tyson is scared of an angry black woman.

This really puts Biden between and rock and a hard place. Definitely not a "win-win." More like a "lose-lose."