Build a Franchise Season 4- Draft starts Saturday (Detroit is on the clock until 8AM) Announcement- page 81

[mpharris36]

I keep seeing words like "harmless" and "innocent" being used. Yet Hoffa has stated on various occasions what his intentions are with those player profiles, and the upcoming team profiles. And he has openly admitted to operating in bad faith with them.

That is totally different then Melo doing a mock draft. Melo was not giving teams strategic outlooks. He was not bolding text and highlighting what bid processes would likely be successful.

Intentions matter. Bad faith cannot be construed as harmless or innocent.

As for the shenanigans he pulls that NewEra has mentioned where he names players, the time their winning bid is closing, and publicizes the current high bid in salary amount and contract years that bish PM's him. Well he has done that two years in a row now, with zero consecussions or reperquences.

His whole operation is bush league. I'm not turning a blind eye, due to it being a long offseason and the fact that he is active. You can be entertaining and active while operating in good faith, and in the best interest of the league.

I agree that active members can operate in bad faith as well. I don't hold activity at a higher standard then being a good outstanding member of the league. I guess I don't believe all the FA profiles are to inherently overbid on players. Because I have agreed with some of the profiles (as an outsider not involved in FA). If there was a FA profile I found ridiculous I called him out for it and I'm sure he has his bias for FA.

I can draw the line between a FA profile. And during the bidding period him asking other teams to bid on a specific player. I see one is bad faith of the league and one just personal opinionated bias. You might not like both but one IMO negatively impacts the league the other might be annoying if he is talking about your FA but like I said if the shenangans are going on during FA I'm sure bish will step in.

At the end of the day I'm not forcing anyone to bid on a player...you guys really are giving me too much credit ..

But you are at the end of the day a GM in the league. So you have an obligation to operate your team and let the 29 teams operate there teams. If you were a 3rd party I guess it would be harmless but you aren't.

A FA profile that doesn't specify a specific team seems fine to me but telling teams to bid on a player or pick a player is where I draw the line.

[mpharris36]

Before I give my opinion on what bbh has done this offseason I want to introduce Strick as the new GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Strick has been a member of the forum for the past 5 years and has over 3000 posts. He expressed an interest in Build a Franchise this summer during the beginning of our Bubble Tourney and mentioned that he would be interested in joining us if a team were to open up. I spoke with a few of our mods who unanimously thought that Strick would be a good addition to the league and I messaged him before I went away this past weekend. After speaking with him a few times back and forth I feel confident that Strick will be a valuable member to BaF.

I also got an inquiry from Wingo regarding the open team but it wasn't until after I had already offered the team to Strick. I have also spoken with Wingo the last few nights and he is happy to be put on the waiting list and will be the next man up if and when another GM drops out.

Good luck to Strick taking over the Minnesota TImberwolves!

Congrats Strick! Welcome to the league look forward to seeing what you do with the T-wolves!

[Capn'O]

Great to have Strick in BAF and a slugger in the on deck circle in Wingo! Welcome to the fracas.

Hoffa: don't believe his lies

[bishnykfan]

My thoughts on hoffa and his profiles and other things people find annoying about him...

I don't recall a time that I have ever stepped in and stopped anyone from discussing basketball in this game. Other than the personal attacks, which I really didn't like at all earlier this year, I don't think I've ever stepped in and limited anyone from discussing anything here, if it is related to basketball. As someone who has invested a ton of time into this, my belief is that the more discussion and activity here about all things NBA is good for the game while limiting speech in any manner (outside of the personal attacks and non-basketball things) would not be a good thing. Honestly, it's why I'm here...for the discussion on both players and teams, roster building and hearing different perspectives and strategies.

Now, saying that, I do completely understand where some are coming from when they get upset with hoffa for advertising things that may perceivably hurt them in the game. I'm sure it would upset me if I was a rival GM. I've had to deal with more than one upset GM via PM over the years due to some of the stuff hoffa has posted. I would say this though, hoffa isn't trying to hide anything. He openly states what his intentions are. He comes out and says that his strategy is to get the other 29 GM's to spend more money. The way I've always looked at it is that hoffa brings something to the game that encourages passion and both positive and negative thoughts from his opposing GM's. Honestly, I was kind of impressed with the work that he put into his offseason FA profiles. Same way I felt about BK with his spreadsheets and a few others who go out of their way to add to the game.

Of course none of this would be allowed from an active GM in the NBA. He is doing the role of a journalist which can obviously be considered a clear conflict of interest. To me it was always harmless. I figured by this point everyone knew how they felt about him and would take everything he says with a grain of salt.

I don't think the league would flourish or be better by having me step in and actually begin enforcing "tampering" rules. I don't think I should be the police on what should and what shouldn't be allowed to be said in the discussion thread. I think the idea of the game is to see how 30 different people try to build a winning franchise, something we haven't seen much of in NY the past 20 years.

However, if enough people feel differently then I do, I will definitely consider and post any well thought out rule change proposal and let the league decide. I just caution that IMO, limiting basketball speech on here in any regard, could cause a drop in interest.

[Strick]

Thanks Bish for everything. I look forward to taking over the T’Wolves and see where things go! I look forward to participating in the BAF system. I’ve peeked in over the last year or so and was always intrigued with how it operated! I’ll have to access my team but I am open to trades and would have to think everyone is expendable at a price. Look forward to learning the ropes and talking sh*t as I go

Thanks for the welcomes everyone and I look forward to it very much!

[DOT]

I mean, if I openly stated that my only goal wasn't to win and then traded the #1 pick to KoC for Tyson Chandler, that would encourage passion and both positive and negative thoughts from other GMs. Don't mean I should do it.

[Capn'O]

I stopped reading right there. Fact of the matter is a faction of GMs don't do their homework to max capacity. This dude just helped that contingent out. Stop tryna downplay fuggery.

Toofless Hoffa caused some high bids in the initial BAF draft but his shtick is known by now, except maybe by Wingo.

Now, the business he does announcing bids as FA is going on is much more damaging. Happy to call that **** out because that's a situation where the impact is very real.

The impact of what he is doing is real now too. Maybe just not real to you. But to me and my situation, his shenanigans are impactful. I'll leave it at that.

I think I had four FAs that he's done profiles for. The way I figure it, I'd bring far more attention to the one I'd want to keep by bringing him up than by chillin'. People know his game.

[bringbackhoffa]

I mean, if I openly stated that my only goal wasn't to win and then traded the #1 pick to KoC for Tyson Chandler, that would encourage passion and both positive and negative thoughts from other GMs. Don't mean I should do it.

I have never stated my goal is not to win. People would know by my trade offers that I am trying to put the best team out their possible. but I do hold cap flexibility as an integral part of the game and if I can get people to go into cap hell which can benefit me building a more sustainable team than that is exactly what I will do

[Strick]

Thanks Bish for everything. I look forward to taking over the T’Wolves and see where things go! I look forward to participating in the BAF system. I’ve peeked in over the last year or so and was always intrigued with how it operated! I’ll have to access my team but I am open to trades and would have to think everyone is expendable at a price. Look forward to learning the ropes and talking sh*t as I go

Thanks for the welcomes everyone and I look forward to it very much!

Just to note, some of the more coveted pieces I may be a little more cautious to move early on due to the value/return curve has to be one of the bigger learning curves I would imagine. That being said I’m open to moving anyone, but just know I’ll be a little more guarded around those guys.

[bishnykfan]

I mean, if I openly stated that my only goal wasn't to win and then traded the #1 pick to KoC for Tyson Chandler, that would encourage passion and both positive and negative thoughts from other GMs. Don't mean I should do it.

You're hurting and clearly sabotaging your own team in such a scenario. Not sure I see that correlation but like I said, if enough people think this is bad for the game, I'm willing to listen.

[Capn'O]

Scours TWolves roster...

[bringbackhoffa]

Scours TWolves roster...

Oh we all know that 1 player everyone is fiending on...

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[DOT]

You're hurting and clearly sabotaging your own team in such a scenario. Not sure I see that correlation but like I said, if enough people think this is bad for the game, I'm willing to listen.

I need the cap space. Don't have enough to sign my picks, so if I trade it for nothing, I get the cap space to sign future picks. Not sabotage.

It's bad for the game because he's not playing to win. He says he's making his team better by proxy, but that's an unintended side effect and not really accurate. Like I said, really doesn't affect me cause I don't sign guys anyways, it's just a dick move.

[mpharris36]

Thanks Bish for everything. I look forward to taking over the T’Wolves and see where things go! I look forward to participating in the BAF system. I’ve peeked in over the last year or so and was always intrigued with how it operated! I’ll have to access my team but I am open to trades and would have to think everyone is expendable at a price. Look forward to learning the ropes and talking sh*t as I go

Thanks for the welcomes everyone and I look forward to it very much!

Just to note, some of the more coveted pieces I may be a little more cautious to move early on due to the value/return curve has to be one of the bigger learning curves I would imagine. That being said I’m open to moving anyone, but just know I’ll be a little more guarded around those guys.

[mpharris36]

Someone should propose a rule to bish though instead of doing this every year with hoffa

I also understand from Bish stand point censoring basketball talk can be dangerous but if the rule is fair and specifically targets a certain period that could effect the draft or FA and operating in "bad faith" I would consider anything to make the league better but at the same time you don't want to curtail opinions which makes this league so great our community.

[DOT]

Someone should propose a rule to bish though instead of doing this every year with hoffa

I also understand from Bish stand point censoring basketball talk can be dangerous but if the rule is fair and specifically targets a certain period that could effect the draft or FA and operating in "bad faith" I would consider anything to make the league better but at the same time you don't want to curtail opinions which makes this league so great our community.

I mean, what would a rule to fix that even look like?

Maybe a maximum amount of free agents you're allowed to negotiate with at once?

He could still bid up certain guys he doesn't want (which is my problem), don't really think we can fix that so long as free agency is a thing, but this would limit his ability to make bad faith offers.

[Strick]

Peeping the Allen interest the last couple pages

[Context]

Hoffa posting info that is publicly available is completely harmless. If you don’t like it, treat it like his trade offers and ignore it. And it’s not nearly the shadiest **** that has gone down.

yea PMing GMs and telling them not to make deals with certain GMs is a lot more shady

That's one thing I have always hated about messages boards---so many like to bait posters and then when they get that overwhelming response--they want to ban someone...



No one told Robin anything for the 100000th time...Maybe he's just a grown man who doesn't appreciate
being made fun of...who knows...but what i do know...this is a game and it aint that serious...

[Context]

Peeping the Allen interest the last couple pages

im sure you got offers for that toronto kid too...

[mpharris36]

Someone should propose a rule to bish though instead of doing this every year with hoffa

I also understand from Bish stand point censoring basketball talk can be dangerous but if the rule is fair and specifically targets a certain period that could effect the draft or FA and operating in "bad faith" I would consider anything to make the league better but at the same time you don't want to curtail opinions which makes this league so great our community.

I mean, what would a rule to fix that even look like?

Maybe a maximum amount of free agents you're allowed to negotiate with at once?

He could still bid up certain guys he doesn't want (which is my problem), don't really think we can fix that so long as free agency is a thing, but this would limit his ability to make bad faith offers.

Oh I didn't know you were specifically talking about that. Seems you and 2010 might have different concerns. If Hoffa has the money I don't think you can limit the amount of guys he can bid on. I don't think you specifically can do anything about the man and how he wants to spend his money.

I was more referring to the bad faith in terms of during the FA period for him to openly discuss terms of FA and who should bid on who. What he bids on in privte should be his business if he has the funds to support those bids.