Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

aggo · Post #1281 » by **aggo** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:13 pm

if it was John Collins we would've heard atleast 1 Randle trade rumor already.

now that I think about it a little more, trading Randle actually does make a little bit of sense. I dont know what kind of value he has though and at this point with all the trades and draft picks that were just selected we might need to balance contracts for another team that would trade for him.

so maybe it is John Collins and the 19 trade is to reduce the impact of taking back contracts for a team that wants Randle? Would that ever make sense unless we got back a legit starter?

who has a log jam of players at a position and could use Randle?

did the pacers really find no one that is going to take turner/brogdon off their hands?

Post #1282 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:27 pm

So what are your thoughts on FA? You have like what, $50 million? Do you think you go after PG and SG? Like a Ball/Fournier combo or something? That seems like that would be a major upgrade at those spots with Quickley and McBride behind Ball. Do you think you bring back Noel? Or use money in FA on a C? Start Robinson? I was thinking a lineup of Ball/Fournier/Barrett/Randle/Robinson would be interesting with a bench of the rookies, Quickley, maybe Rose, Burks, Bullock, Knox, Noel? Maybe Frank?

Maybe if not Fournier, DeRozan or Barton.

If not Ball, Graham, Shroder, Jackson?

I think Lowry or Conley would be a nice vet PG for your team but I imagine most don't want an older guy.

thebuzzardman · Post #1283 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:27 pm

DaGawd wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:

Read on Twitter

So, maybe he knows that, broadly, Knicks are going to make offers to RFA's, and possibly strong offers.

He may not know which ones. Or he might.

Sporting news had this list of the "best" RFA and UFA:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-free-agents-2021-top-players-free-agency-start-salary-cap/1f2ruunc3ca9j1u5bxifwl4kti

1. Kawhi Leonard Clippers Player option
2. Chris Paul Suns Player option
3. Kyle Lowry Raptors Unrestricted
4. John Collins Hawks Restricted
5. Mike Conley Jazz Unrestricted
6. DeMar DeRozan Spurs Unrestricted
7. Lonzo Ball Pelicans Restricted
8. Jarrett Allen Cavaliers Restricted
9. Dennis Schroder Lakers Unrestricted
10. Duncan Robinson Heat Restricted

Restricted: Collins, Ball, Allen, Duncan Robinson.

I'll look for a list with some of the others

The restricted FA list is pretty uninspiring lol

That's somebody's collated list.

Here's the full list of guards/SF:

Spoiler:

thebuzzardman · Post #1284 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:36 pm

bwgood77 wrote:So what are your thoughts on FA? You have like what, $50 million? Do you think you go after PG and SG? Like a Ball/Fournier combo or something? That seems like that would be a major upgrade at those spots with Quickley and McBride behind Ball. Do you think you bring back Noel? Or use money in FA on a C? Start Robinson? I was thinking a lineup of Ball/Fournier/Barrett/Randle/Robinson would be interesting with a bench of the rookies, Quickley, maybe Rose, Burks, Bullock, Knox, Noel? Maybe Frank?

You are going to get about 20 different answers, but there are some broad commonality ones.

There are different schools of thought. That the Knicks go Sexton for PG duties and that's it - rest of the money is for a trade, either this year or more likely next year

Some like Sexton with Ball. Or Fournier. Oubre has curiously made a couple of appearances about how well he "fits" and likes what Thibs is doing. I suspect he is "Grant Hilling" the Knicks because they have the most money, and then he'll sign elsewhere, but it's one of his best chances at big money, but maybe not the best idea for the Knicks.

Others like trying to chase CP3. Seems unlikely he'll leave.
There are those that think Lowry would come cheaper.

The trouble with adding a Ball AND Fournier or Sexton and Ball or Sexton and Fournier, is that it kind of locks the team in because then Randle would be resigned next year and then RJ after that. That's the thinking against that.

I personally like adding Sexton\Ball or Sexton\Fournier, where Ball is signed to play SG or SF. Rose could even come back, though it would probably bury one of McBride or Grimes or IQ on the bench, out of the rotation, but maybe the Knicks want that level of competition.

Sexton/Rose/McBride
Ball or Fournier/IQ
RJ/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Kelly Olynyk (for defense and a stretch 5 look)

aggo · Post #1285 » by **aggo** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:38 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:So what are your thoughts on FA? You have like what, $50 million? Do you think you go after PG and SG? Like a Ball/Fournier combo or something? That seems like that would be a major upgrade at those spots with Quickley and McBride behind Ball. Do you think you bring back Noel? Or use money in FA on a C? Start Robinson? I was thinking a lineup of Ball/Fournier/Barrett/Randle/Robinson would be interesting with a bench of the rookies, Quickley, maybe Rose, Burks, Bullock, Knox, Noel? Maybe Frank?

You are going to get about 20 different answers, but there are some broad commonality ones.

There are different schools of thought. That the Knicks go Sexton for PG duties and that's it - rest of the money is for a trade, either this year or more likely next year

Some like Sexton with Ball. Or Fournier. Oubre has curiously made a couple of appearances about how well he "fits" and likes what Thibs is doing. I suspect he is "Grant Hilling" the Knicks because they have the most money, and then he'll sign elsewhere, but it's one of his best chances at big money, but maybe not the best idea for the Knicks.

Others like trying to chase CP3. Seems unlikely he'll leave.
There are those that think Lowry would come cheaper.

The trouble with adding a Ball AND Fournier or Sexton and Ball or Sexton and Fournier, is that it kind of locks the team in because then Randle would be resigned next year and then RJ after that. That's the thinking against that.

I personally like adding Sexton\Ball or Sexton\Fournier, where Ball is signed to play SG or SF. Rose could even come back, though it would probably bury one of McBride or Grimes or IQ on the bench, out of the rotation, but maybe the Knicks want that level of competition.

Sexton/Rose/McBride
Ball or Fournier/IQ
RJ/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Kelly Olynyk (for defense and a stretch 5 look)

Ball replacing Reggie as a SF would low key be a very smart move by us.

giving ball 15/yr to play SF >> giving Reggie 10/yr to play SF

I dunno if ball would do it and if anyone would have the balls to tell him its a position change.

DaGawd · Post #1286 » by **DaGawd** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:40 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
So, maybe he knows that, broadly, Knicks are going to make offers to RFA's, and possibly strong offers.

He may not know which ones. Or he might.

Sporting news had this list of the "best" RFA and UFA:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-free-agents-2021-top-players-free-agency-start-salary-cap/1f2ruunc3ca9j1u5bxifwl4kti

1. Kawhi Leonard Clippers Player option
2. Chris Paul Suns Player option
3. Kyle Lowry Raptors Unrestricted
4. John Collins Hawks Restricted
5. Mike Conley Jazz Unrestricted
6. DeMar DeRozan Spurs Unrestricted
7. Lonzo Ball Pelicans Restricted
8. Jarrett Allen Cavaliers Restricted
9. Dennis Schroder Lakers Unrestricted
10. Duncan Robinson Heat Restricted

Restricted: Collins, Ball, Allen, Duncan Robinson.

I'll look for a list with some of the others

The restricted FA list is pretty uninspiring lol

That's somebody's collated list.

Here's the full list of guards/SF:
Spoiler:
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/the-full-list-of-2021-nba-free-agents-point-guards-and-shooting-guards

Lonzo Ball - Restricted Free Agent
Duncan Robinson - Restricted Free Agent
Malik Monk - Restricted Free Agent
Gary Trent Jr. - Restricted Free Agent
Bruce Brown Jr. - Restricted Free Agent
Talen Horton-Tucker - Restricted Free Agent
Devonte' Graham - Restricted Free Agent
Kendrick Nunn - Restricted Free Agent
Hamidou Diallo - Restricted Free Agent
Josh Hart - Restricted Free Agent
Dennis Smith Jr. - Restricted Free Agent
Frank Ntilikina - Restricted Free Agent
Terence Davis - Restricted Free Agent
Mike James - Restricted Free Agent
Chris Chiozza - Restricted Free Agent
Armoni Brooks - Restricted Free Agent
Garrison Mathews - Restricted Free Agent
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - Restricted Free Agent
Theo Pinson - Restricted Free Agent
Javonte Green - Restricted Free Agent
Brandon Goodwin - Restricted Free Agent
Sindarius Thornwell - Restricted Free Agent
Jared Harper - Restricted Free Agent
Shaquille Harrison - Restricted Free Agent
Skylar Mays - Restricted Free Agent
Saben Lee - Restricted Free Agent
Tyler Bey - Restricted Free Agent
Markus Howard - Restricted Free Agent
Max Strus - Restricted Free Agent
Grant Riller - Restricted Free Agent
Nate Darling - Restricted Free Agent
Kyle Guy - Restricted Free Agent
Amir Coffey - Restricted Free Agent
Nico Mannion - Restricted Free Agent
Axel Toupane - Restricted Free Agent
Chasson Randle - Restricted Free Agent
Adam Mokoka - Restricted Free Agent
Tremont Waters - Restricted Free Agent
Trent Forrest - Restricted Free Agent
Cassius Stanley - Restricted Free Agent
Jalen Harris - Restricted Free Agent
Jordan McLaughlin - Restricted Free Agent
Frank Jackson - Restricted Free Agent
Cassius Winston - Restricted Free Agent
Nate Hinton - Restricted Free Agent
Gabe Vincent - Restricted Free Agent
Devon Dotson - Restricted Free Agent
Quinndary Weatherspoon - Restricted Free Agent

Forwards and Centers who are restricted:

John Collins - Restricted Free Agent
Lauri Markkanen - Restricted Free Agent
Jarrett Allen - Restricted Free Agent
Zach Collins - Restricted Free Agent
Tacko Fall - Restricted Free Agent
Nicolo Melli - Restricted Free Agent
DJ Wilson - Restricted Free Agent
Thanasis Antetokounmpo - Restricted Free Agent
Isaac Bonga - Restricted Free Agent
Jarred Vanderbilt - Restricted Free Agent
Juwan Morgan - Restricted Free Agent
Cameron Oliver - Restricted Free Agent
Ignas Brazdeikis - Restricted Free Agent
Jarrell Brantley - Restricted Free Agent
Keita Bates-Diop - Restricted Free Agent
Josh Hall - Restricted Free Agent
Kostas Antetokounmpo - Restricted Free Agent
Gary Clark - Restricted Free Agent
Louis King - Restricted Free Agent
Rayjon Tucker - Restricted Free Agent
James Nunnally - Restricted Free Agent
Anthony Lamb - Restricted Free Agent
TJ Leaf - Restricted Free Agent
Killian Tillie - Restricted Free Agent
Sean McDermott - Restricted Free Agent
Nathan Knight - Restricted Free Agent
Justin Jackson - Restricted Free Agent
Tony Bradley - Restricted Free Agent
Moritz Wagner - Restricted Free Agent
Reggie Perry - Restricted Free Agent
Devontae Cacok - Restricted Free Agent

Malik Monk… he’s the one

aggo · Post #1287 » by **aggo** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:47 pm

Kemba and SGA?

we wish....

blanko · Post #1288 » by **blanko** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:49 pm

I want us to get get buddy and sexton/Kyle. That would add alot of shooting and shot creation.

I think we can get buddyon the cheap. Say Charlotte's 1st and Knox.

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blanko · Post #1289 » by **blanko** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:52 pm

We payed a combined 18 mil on Payton frank and d rose. I would rather pay 2 mil more on sexton than those 3 combined.

Buddy Ross sexton... Assuming sexton wants around 20 mil... Would they fit in our cap?

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RHODEY · Post #1290 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:54 pm

aggo wrote:Kemba and SGA?

we wish....

Maybe SGA....OKC stil dont want to pay him.

Bob Ross · Post #1291 » by **Bob Ross** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:58 pm

Gun to my head, I think the targets are one combo of:

Lowry and Derozan

Or

Lonzo and Duncan Robinson

Unless we trade for Sexton.

Bob Ross · Post #1292 » by **Bob Ross** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:00 am

Sexton with Ball is interesting.

We like RJ at the 3?

aggo · Post #1293 » by **aggo** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:08 am

RHODEY wrote:
aggo wrote:Kemba and SGA?

we wish....

Maybe SGA....OKC stil dont want to pay him.

we have nothing to offer for SGA, that's a non starter. SGA alone isn't coming here unless we drafted Halliburton instead of Obi.

depending on how dire they are against spending $, we legit are probably the only team rn that can take Kemba straight up for free. them not being able to trade up while offering someone SGA is actually good for us if they desperately dont wanna pay Kemba or SGA.

Bob Ross wrote:Gun to my head, I think the targets are one combo of:

Lowry and Derozan

Or

Lonzo and Duncan Robinson

Unless we trade for Sexton.

derozan is a PF or PG now. so if we sign him he'd be a 6th man imo.

thebuzzardman · Post #1294 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:14 am

Bob Ross wrote:Sexton with Ball is interesting.

We like RJ at the 3?

RJ can play 2 or 3, it doesn't matter.
Ball is fairly switchable as well.
I guess when the SF is a bit bigger/stronger, RJ gets that assignment on defense.

thebuzzardman · Post #1295 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:17 am

A few guesses

Lonzo Ball - Knicks go in
Kendrick Nunn - Knicks make an offer Miami might not match

and/or

Knicks throw a large sized bag\poison pill at Talen Horton-Tucker and/or Josh Hart that makes LA & Pelicans think twice about matching

Obviously not all of them.

I guess Trent Jr is possible since we are talking RFA, but wouldn't Fournier & Powell give similar (but different) styles of production and they are UFA?

Also, maybe it's Lonzo because Knicks missed out on Sexton?

Ok, I have no idea

blanko · Post #1296 » by **blanko** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:21 am

The cava just traded for Rubio. They are trading sexton.

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DowNY · Post #1297 » by **DowNY** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:21 am

thebuzzardman wrote:A few guesses

Lonzo Ball - Knicks go in
Kendrick Nunn - Knicks make an offer Miami might not match

and/or

Knicks throw a large sized bag\poison pill at Talen Horton-Tucker and/or Josh Hart that makes LA & Pelicans think twice about matching

Obviously not all of them.

I guess Trent Jr is possible since we are talking RFA, but wouldn't Fournier & Powell give similar (but different) styles of production and they are UFA?

Also, maybe it's Lonzo because Knicks missed out on Sexton?

Ok, I have no idea

I’m good on Hart. Literally saw a comparison of Grimes to Hart last night.

Bob Ross · Post #1298 » by **Bob Ross** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:11 am

Bob Ross wrote:Gun to my head, I think the targets are one combo of:

Lowry and Derozan

Or

Lonzo and Duncan Robinson

Unless we trade for Sexton.

derozan is a PF or PG now. so if we sign him he'd be a 6th man imo.[/quote]

Maybe dude. I'm literally always wrong in what I think will happen and how it will go when something does happen. It's no wonder I don't work in a front office

seren · Post #1299 » by **seren** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:22 am

Fournier is on his way out. Given Perry connection, I say he is a lock. I prefer Lowry/Derozan duo but a trio of Fournier/Robinson/Ball or Dinwiddie is a real possibility.

Jose7 · Post #1300 » by **Jose7** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:44 am

adding fournier is a terrible idea..tired of these shytty rumors