Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

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According to some folks here, Wingo is younger than Obi Toppin

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Sounds a lot like Kevin Knox

[Chanel Bomber]

I'm pretty confident you are wrong on this, the hawks traded him because they weren't going to sign him long term..they also have higher priced vets making a lot of money that are getting playing time over him to begin with..nothing to do with red flags, but again, as I stated before, the knicks got him for free. if they traded Grimes for him, that would have been a different story

A protected first round pick is not "for free".

Grimes was a late first round draft pick. You're trading away something that's the equivalent of Grimes for an inefficient young player who's soon going to be eligible for an extension, and who wants a bigger role. That's the formula.

If Reddish becomes a positive contributor within the next 18 months, that changes everything. I don't think there's any reason to be confident that he will, but you never know.

First, the knicks traded down for Grimes, second as i stated before the knicks were not keeping this pick anyway..there is no room, it's for free..

So now late first rounders are worth nothing to the Knicks, because they have so much talent on the roster that they wouldn't be able to accommodate another Grimes/IQ-type pick?

[Deeeez Knicks]

the pick is also top 18 protected for 2022. whose to say it even conveys this year ?

It may never convey and end up being 2 2nds. It was heavily protected which is why it didn't have a lot of value

[Clyde_Style]

The Charlotte pick could've been a throw-in that helps a trade for a young player who's actually good, like Haliburton.

Now, I don't know to what extent Haliburton's actually available, and maybe Cam will break his own pattern of efficiency and ball out with the Knicks.

But I'm not a fan of trading assets for mediocre players.

I'd rather have packaged the Charlotte pick, Obi plus the Dallas pick for Hali (not sure the Kings take it but it's just a general idea). Then you get a young player who actually helps your team and who can also be traded at a later stage for a star if need be.

I don't know.

first of all a heavily protected late 1st in a week draft while the knicks already loaded with young players would likely have to trade that pick at some point just for roster flexibility isn't really much of an asset

Do you consider Grimes and IQ to be assets?

Because that Charlotte pick is pretty much on par with them as an asset. IQ's value is probably a bit higher, but still.

They’re worth more since they’ve already proven they are NBA players. All picks have the risk of drafting a player who doesn’t stick

[mpharris36]

another key is Reddish has the tools to be a good defender. He just never has had the will or want to. Maybe thibs can get that out of him? He has been a pretty trash defender since he's been in the league but has size and quickness to be a good defender. Could be some untapped potential if Thibs really harps that he will only play if he defends at a high level.

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the pick is also top 18 protected for 2022. whose to say it even conveys this year ?

It may never convey and end up being 2 2nds. It was heavily protected which is why it didn't have a lot of value

it might not but it's lottery protected, top 14, for both 2024/2025. so they just have to make the playoffs one of those years. with the young players they have it probably will then. if the stay where they are it would actually convey this year.

[Chanel Bomber]

first of all a heavily protected late 1st in a week draft while the knicks already loaded with young players would likely have to trade that pick at some point just for roster flexibility isn't really much of an asset

Do you consider Grimes and IQ to be assets?

Because that Charlotte pick is pretty much on par with them as an asset. IQ's value is probably a bit higher, but still.

They’re worth more since they’ve already proven they are NBA players. All picks have the risk of drafting a player who doesn’t stick

Good point.

The flip side is teams like to make their own draft selections, and the Charlotte pick could end up higher than where Grimes and IQ were selected.

Then on the other hand, there's also the fact that it could potentially turn into 2 second-rounders if it doesn't convey in the next few years.

There's still a more than decent chance it turns into a first.

I just find the idea that that asset has no value to be completely erroneous. Especially when you consider what we were able to turn these late first into, not to mention how any first rounder is an asset that can be used as part of a more significant trade.

It's obviously not on par with your classical unprotected first, but that doesn't mean it has no value.

[Ray Williams]

Zion has shown nothing but being overweight and injury prone, hence he makes perfect sense for him to be the first superstar to actually wind up in NY, he won't play more than 20 games as a full maxed 350 pound PF...it's destined to happen

Well aren’t you a ray of f”king sunshine

[god shammgod]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defend everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

[DaGawd]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defending everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes that was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

For me I’m just happy taking a worthwhile shot with that pick with a talented young player with tools. Cause realistically a star trade was never coming. There’s no one out there at the moment available worth trading a bunch of first rounders for.. other than maybe Zion who can maybe be had for a bit of a discount considering his weight/health situation atm

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According to some folks here, Wingo is younger than Obi Toppin

so I hear

[god shammgod]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defending everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes that was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

For me I’m just happy taking a worthwhile shot with that pick with a talented young player with tools. Cause realistically a star trade was never coming. There’s no one out there at the moment available worth trading a bunch of first rounders for.. other than maybe Zion who can maybe be had for a bit of a discount considering his weight/health situation atm

i don't think there's really much of a discount. a fully healthy in shape zion would never be traded. he still might not ever. he probably has to threaten to take the qo the way kp did. and they have to fall for it.

[ADeP7]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defend everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

It goes both ways though. A lot of this board turned there nose at porzingis being traded for AD. Then turned there nose at trading Mitch for ad lol.
Laughed at adding a Fred vanvleet.
Talked knox up as pg or kd lite
Frank being a mini Giannis.

I mean even now I like grimes and iqs potential but some expectations of them is absurd. Same way if rj comes out and has a bad game tomorrow we are gonna get the same he’s a bust talks.

It’s a gamble. But if you trust the front office because they selected grimes and iq and they think getting a cam reddish with a late 1st pick is a better move than actually using the pick then why not trust them

[robillionaire]

No Ryan Arcidiacono appreciation thread

[Clyde_Style]

Cam went into the Knicks board grinder as Paul George and came out as Qyntel Woods in less than a day. Hahahaaaaa.

We all know we can’t have nice things. Let’s just hope my man Chanel’s fair and balanced analysis leads to what’s happening with RJ now lol.

I have no need to have a strong opinion about Cam’s outcome as a Knick. I’ll just watch how it plays out.

It was a good deal and adds a potential asset with possible significant upside. And the deal terms sound quite favorable for the Knicks and Knox was extracted, so it feels like a win already.

That’s enough for me for now. People don’t need to take positions now on the success or failure of Cam’s future Knicks exploits, but that’s how some Knicks fans roll.

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[god shammgod]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defend everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

It goes both ways though. A lot of this board turned there nose at porzingis being traded for AD. Then turned there nose at trading Mitch for ad lol.
Laughed at adding a Fred vanvleet.
Talked knox up as pg or kd lite
Frank being a mini Giannis.

I mean even now I like grimes and iqs potential but some expectations of them is absurd. Same way if rj comes out and has a bad game tomorrow we are gonna get the same he’s a bust talks.

It’s a gamble. But if you trust the front office because they selected grimes and iq and they think getting a cam reddish with a late 1st pick is a better move than actually using the pick then why not trust them

because the front office has made more bad decisions than good ones

[mpharris36]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defend everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

With the way Randle is playing do we really want to use all our assets to trade for a "star" and be left with Randle and that player? What is that winning.

Randle proving he aint that guy I think made this decision easier that it makes no sense to trade for a star when this team isn't ready. Maybe RJ continues to develop into a secondary piece but who knows.

You could have made the case last year at least before the playoff series that you paired another star with a Randle you might have something. That clearly isn't the case anymore.