D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:The Vo Show wrote:I just can't get on board for trading for D Mitch... it just seems like a bad trade waiting to happen. First, Ainge is just the worst to deal with. He picks on desperation like no one else. Second, we've seen this with Melo. To all the people who say we should have built a better team around Melo and also want to do this trade, how do you build a team with no cap space and no trade assets?
Our cap space is going towards Brunson, RJ, Robinson, and D Mitch (and to a lesser extent Randle). Those guys are gonna be here for 3-4 years eating up about 90+% of the cap. That leaves us with about 5m and a MLE to sign the rest of the team. Also, we'll have 0 draft picks to trade to get better. So we're gonna just max out on a best case perennial second round exit ala 2000's-2010's Pacers? If we are hell bent on this trade, I'm shipping out RJ and Obi and IQ to save on some draft picks so we can improve the roster down the road.
So I’ll ask you this, what’s the plan? Im not a Knicks fan but I’ve been glued to this active thread since shams’ late night tweet. We know as is, Knicks are a late lottery or play in type team. Great. Zero chance at lottery luck and a slightly bigger chance at getting a star in the teens. With 28 draft picks in the next X amount of the years, are the Knicks planning on filling out the roster with a bunch of role players like they’ve done since melo left?
As a fan of a team that’s had countless top 5 picks since 2010 and only 2 are still with the team(ironically the 2 are from lotto luck), it’s more than just getting the luck.Half of the Knicks top 10 picks since 2015 don’t even play on your team since drafting KP. NBA landscape changes literally every year. I mean at least with Mitchell, you’ll have a bit of an identity. I wouldn’t give up more than we gave up for gobert because I think Rudy’s better but it’s a start.
I’d almost rank your draft history as bad as ours. But Stay down this current path of below level mediocrity
My plan would be to stay the course and develop the young players and continue drafting. Then consolidate the talent for a star at some point. I'm fine with trading for a star and shipping out 3-4 picks to get one but giving up 6 picks and all our assets for a top 20 to top 15 player who plays a position that is similar to a guy we signed 2 weeks ago seems like a bad idea. If we didn't sign Brunson and didn't have to give up essentially 9 picks between picks and youth, then go ahead. But given the current situation, locking yourself into 4 years of RJ, Randle, Mitch, Robinson and Brunson seems like a 5th seed with no draft picks and no assets.
On top of that, no one should trade with Ainge. He thinks so highly of himself that he can walk away from "fair" deals to gamble on getting lopsided trades in his favor. To that, I say, **** him. He thinks he holds all the leverage in this deal, but in reality, he holds 0 leverage. Time is on our side; Knicks should be in no rush whatsoever. Meanwhile, DMitch on Utah is terrible for Ainge's tank and rebuild plan. His best case scenario is what, DMitch plays great and holds value and diminishes his tank or does DMitch mail it in since he wants out and then loses value along the way?
