Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I'd like to point out to NoDopeOnSundays that B8RcDeMktfxC have pretty divergent views on Obi.

You two should discuss.

*grabs chair*

Ghetto Gospel is doing the Lord's work, for now I'll leave him to it .. I was an are-we-ther-yet kid, but maybe I'll become a holy roller in my dottage???

[Ghetto Gospel]

PJ Tucker is 37 years old and just signed a contract that will have him paid until he's 41, that is how hard it is to get these guys, when someone this old is getting that many years & money it should tell you how hard it is. Jingles isn't a starter and he's also coming off a torn ACL, Batum was 31 and looked completely finished when the Hornets let him go. These are the type of players you want over Obadiah?

you asked how we're getting 3&d pf's cause they're "the most valuable type of role player" bobby portis signed with the bucks 2 years ago, otto porter just signed with the raptors this offseason. looks like these guys are available and can be had. kinda crazy huh? makes obi expendable in a trade for a star. i guess we can just keep moving the goalposts though

Bobby is a small ball C, 93% of his time was spent at the 5 last year, and he's a backup, Porter is a backup. You have named Jingles, Portis, Porter, Batum and Tucker, only 1 of these is going to be a starter next season. I asked a specific question about 3 & D forward, someone that would start, and this is the best you can do? You can say it's moving goal posts, but you buggin if you think starting some of these guys at the 4 over Randle or Obi would help.

bobby can still play PF, he is capable, the only reason he plays C is because they have giannis at PF. how'd jae crowder get on the suns? what about jae crowder? robert covington? these guys being available make obi expendable in a trade. in the real world, you have to give something to get something. it's how the world works. and yes you are moving goal posts, you shift the argument every time because you're wrong

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Apropos of nothing, Barrett's TS% at 21 is higher than Burks' was. At higher usage. ACAB. Hold them accountable. Carry on.

Somewhere at an art exhibit in Soho, a man wearing a kilt, Knicks jersey and silk scarf just dropped his phone and erupted in anger.

[thebuzzardman]

Apropos of nothing, Barrett's TS% at 21 is higher than Burks' was. At higher usage. ACAB. Hold them accountable. Carry on.

Somewhere at an art exhibit in Soho, a man wearing a kilt, Knicks jersey and silk scarf just dropped his phone and erupted in anger.

Why would Tyson Chandler be upset at Burks slander?

[bearadonisdna]

sorry dont know who to quote om the siakam thing, but Siakam already has a pair of twins developing almost exactly like him in OG and Barnes.
Its almost a set of triplets.
Right now i guess they are good olayers but its must also be an organizational thing too because these guys developing almost identically.

They might make an interesting trade partner, but im not even that down on Fournier as a SF.
For the knicks surely defense is a better fit but how much do you spend for a SF flop?
The way the market is, a lot of valuable nba player are getting traded for just a draft pick or so.
The knicks might be able to build a superstar-less dream lineup but it looks like ainge is trying to clean us out.

I think I'm agreeing with you. Not sure for certain,

Brunson, Mitchell, Fournier, Randle, Robinson with Thibs's defensive coaching is a good starting line up, and RJ gets the 18 minutes Julius is off court, plus some of Evan's off court time.

This is kind of the meat and potatoes of some thoughts i have on our offseason by stacking guards and kinda phasing RJ out of the position. And then hoping he can be a good full time sf.
The guy was clearly a guard coming out of the draft 22ppg .

As far as a Fournier / RJ position battle at SF that is a tight call i cant make right now because i think its closer than anyone would care to admit. Here im just talking about purely on court results, not contract, draft status etc.

[Deeeez Knicks]

just catching up on the last 2 pages and taking it i didnt miss much today

[whocares1]

i don't understand how i am on board? obi still doesn't play defense? i'd be on board if he played defense. if he played defense and shot 3s, he'd be perfect

fk you mean it's hard to get these guys. pj tucker was just signed by the 76ers, jingles was just signed by the bucks, nic batum was just waived 2 years ago by the hornets and signed with the clippers. obi isn't one of these guys neither, so it's not like we're giving up a 3&d pf

yes, we'd need another star to compete. but it's one less star that we'd need right now.

PJ Tucker is 37 years old and just signed a contract that will have him paid until he's 41, that is how hard it is to get these guys, when someone this old is getting that many years & money it should tell you how hard it is. Jingles isn't a starter and he's also coming off a torn ACL, Batum was 31 and looked completely finished when the Hornets let him go. These are the type of players you want over Obadiah?

you asked how we're getting 3&d pf's cause they're "the most valuable type of role player" bobby portis signed with the bucks 2 years ago, otto porter just signed with the raptors this offseason. looks like these guys are available and can be had. kinda crazy huh? makes obi expendable in a trade for a star. i guess we can just keep moving the goalposts though

Otto Porter…Bobby Portis…neither of those guys play anything like Obi I don’t even know how that comparison came into play but Obi is expendable bc all the youth is expendable. His value doesn’t trump Mitchell’s but he’d be the last one I want to see let go.

[Ghetto Gospel]

PJ Tucker is 37 years old and just signed a contract that will have him paid until he's 41, that is how hard it is to get these guys, when someone this old is getting that many years & money it should tell you how hard it is. Jingles isn't a starter and he's also coming off a torn ACL, Batum was 31 and looked completely finished when the Hornets let him go. These are the type of players you want over Obadiah?

you asked how we're getting 3&d pf's cause they're "the most valuable type of role player" bobby portis signed with the bucks 2 years ago, otto porter just signed with the raptors this offseason. looks like these guys are available and can be had. kinda crazy huh? makes obi expendable in a trade for a star. i guess we can just keep moving the goalposts though

Otto Porter…Bobby Portis…neither of those guys play anything like Obi I don’t even know how that comparison came into play but Obi is expendable bc all the youth is expendable. His value doesn’t trump Mitchell’s but he’d be the last one I want to see let go.

no one said they play like obi.. but yes, he is very expendable

[NoDopeOnSundays]

you asked how we're getting 3&d pf's cause they're "the most valuable type of role player" bobby portis signed with the bucks 2 years ago, otto porter just signed with the raptors this offseason. looks like these guys are available and can be had. kinda crazy huh? makes obi expendable in a trade for a star. i guess we can just keep moving the goalposts though

Bobby is a small ball C, 93% of his time was spent at the 5 last year, and he's a backup, Porter is a backup. You have named Jingles, Portis, Porter, Batum and Tucker, only 1 of these is going to be a starter next season. I asked a specific question about 3 & D forward, someone that would start, and this is the best you can do? You can say it's moving goal posts, but you buggin if you think starting some of these guys at the 4 over Randle or Obi would help.

bobby can still play PF, he is capable, the only reason he plays C is because they have giannis at PF. how'd jae crowder get on the suns? what about jae crowder? robert covington? these guys being available make obi expendable in a trade. in the real world, you have to give something to get something. it's how the world works. and yes you are moving goal posts, you shift the argument every time because you're wrong

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Bobby is a small ball C, 93% of his time was spent at the 5 last year, and he's a backup, Porter is a backup. You have named Jingles, Portis, Porter, Batum and Tucker, only 1 of these is going to be a starter next season. I asked a specific question about 3 & D forward, someone that would start, and this is the best you can do? You can say it's moving goal posts, but you buggin if you think starting some of these guys at the 4 over Randle or Obi would help.

bobby can still play PF, he is capable, the only reason he plays C is because they have giannis at PF. how'd jae crowder get on the suns? what about jae crowder? robert covington? these guys being available make obi expendable in a trade. in the real world, you have to give something to get something. it's how the world works. and yes you are moving goal posts, you shift the argument every time because you're wrong

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I just used Bam as the throw in for the next level of C that completely easy to trade.

I think Mitch is good. At least getting Hartenstein means the Knicks can throw out a 5 with more offensive variety to his game (and possibly an outside shot) - something I've talked about for 2 years, so that should be fine.

I don't know if he's Gobert as Gobert is legit a little bit taller and I think noticeably better screens, but yes, Mitch willingly stays in his lane and does it well, agreed.

Also, don't make me say stuff that encourages Shams.

When was the KP trade? Remind me.

KP separate issue. Also, he insisted (so it's rumored) at not playing the 5 as a Knick.

Meh. So does/did AD. Playing the 5 isn't a thing in itself, it's a pointer to how a big will play. Naturally twig like 22 year old KP (or AD) didn't want to be consigned to having strength contests with the likes of Steven Adams every day, so they tell teams that - if the teams fos are so stupid as to not understand that from the get go. Of course, as they get older and fill out more and are less lithe the idea of playing most of their minutes "as a 5" becomes more acceptable. Cf KP and AD.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

just catching up on the last 2 pages and taking it i didnt miss much today

****. This is my best posting in weeks.

[Iron Mantis]

bobby can still play PF, he is capable, the only reason he plays C is because they have giannis at PF. how'd jae crowder get on the suns? what about jae crowder? robert covington? these guys being available make obi expendable in a trade. in the real world, you have to give something to get something. it's how the world works. and yes you are moving goal posts, you shift the argument every time because you're wrong

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

What is your path to getting Siakam on the Knicks? Post your trade proposal please.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

What is your path to getting Siakam on the Knicks? Post your trade proposal please.

it's free. NDoS said last year that siakam is a negative contract that the raptors would have to trade 1st rounders to get off of. just match salaries, np

[NoDopeOnSundays]

bobby can still play PF, he is capable, the only reason he plays C is because they have giannis at PF. how'd jae crowder get on the suns? what about jae crowder? robert covington? these guys being available make obi expendable in a trade. in the real world, you have to give something to get something. it's how the world works. and yes you are moving goal posts, you shift the argument every time because you're wrong

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

I don't know, did I? You seem to have a very good memory of the things I say on here, this is like the 4th time in the last few replies you've tried to go with the "Remember you said" or subliminal about Jingles tactic. All I know is, I've made a mark on you, you know you like going back and forth with me, your recent explosion in posts out of nowhere are all me

Watch on YouTube

[NoDopeOnSundays]

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

What is your path to getting Siakam on the Knicks? Post your trade proposal please.

it's free. NDoS said last year that siakam is a negative contract that the raptors would have to trade 1st rounders to get off of. just match salaries, np

"NDoS said" may as well just say "I'm mad"


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[BKlutch]

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

sorry dont know who to quote om the siakam thing, but Siakam already has a pair of twins developing almost exactly like him in OG and Barnes.
Its almost a set of triplets.
Right now i guess they are good olayers but its must also be an organizational thing too because these guys developing almost identically.

They might make an interesting trade partner, but im not even that down on Fournier as a SF.
For the knicks surely defense is a better fit but how much do you spend for a SF flop?
The way the market is, a lot of valuable nba player are getting traded for just a draft pick or so.
The knicks might be able to build a superstar-less dream lineup but it looks like ainge is trying to clean us out.

I think I'm agreeing with you. Not sure for certain,

Brunson, Mitchell, Fournier, Randle, Robinson with Thibs's defensive coaching is a good starting line up, and RJ gets the 18 minutes Julius is off court, plus some of Evan's off court time.

This is kind of the meat and potatoes of some thoughts i have on our offseason by stacking guards and kinda phasing RJ out of the position. And then hoping he can be a good full time sf.
The guy was clearly a guard coming out of the draft 22ppg .

As far as a Fournier / RJ position battle at SF that is a tight call i cant make right now because i think its closer than anyone would care to admit. Here im just talking about purely on court results, not contract, draft status etc.

You obviously understood, as your reply shows, but for anyone else ofc I'm not thinking of RJ as playing PF, just having him on the court when Randle is off it as far as possible and vice versa.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

I don't know, did I? You seem to have a very good memory of the things I say on here, this is like the 4th time in the last few replies you've tried to go with the "Remember you said" or subliminal about Jingles tactic. All I know is, I've made a mark on you, you know you like going back and forth with me, your recent explosion in posts out of nowhere are all me

Watch on YouTube

i tend to remember the things i find funny such as, rj will be the next kawhi/jimmy or rj > ja or the raptors would have to trade first round picks to get off of pascals contract. it' just these tend to go on forever, i honestly wish they wouldn't

[Spree2Houston]

Bobby played the bulk of his minutes at center, you want it to be 1 way but it's the other way. You're naming the most mid-role players possible, not really helping your argument. If it comes down to Jae Crowder/Robert Covington types I'd rather just keep Randle, that's how limited these guys are that you're naming. I think you and I have a completely different definition of 3 & D forward, especially in terms of starters, cause you have named more backups than anything else and they're backups for a reason.

So basically your idea of team building is going to the scrap heap for a starter, got it.

or i can get pascal siakam to play the 4 for me. you said just last year that the raptors would have to give up picks to get off his contract right? i'll take pascal siakam with the picks. tyvm

I don't know, did I? You seem to have a very good memory of the things I say on here, this is like the 4th time in the last few replies you've tried to go with the "Remember you said" or subliminal about Jingles tactic. All I know is, I've made a mark on you, you know you like going back and forth with me, your recent explosion in posts out of nowhere are all me

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube