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cgf wrote:Has there been any news about whether we’ll sign someone to the MLE just to facilitate a later trade? Precious + Payne/McBride + tpMLE would let us match for a legit rotation guy.
thebuzzardman wrote:cgf wrote:Has there been any news about whether we’ll sign someone to the MLE just to facilitate a later trade? Precious + Payne/McBride + tpMLE would let us match for a legit rotation guy.
Knicks gave up because they know they can't get past the Pacers
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Synciere wrote:sol537 wrote:Synciere wrote:
Him scoring less isn't immediately indicative of playing a more all-around game. Randle is already at 6 assists per game, and the only way I see him getting more is if his usage goes up substantially, which it probably shouldn't because Jalen is that guy and we don't want Randle holding the ball. I actually want to see Randle's scoring go UP due to increased efficiency from 3. He can still rebound and move the ball, but the only thing he needs to do is shoot the 3 ball better.
Randle will be surrounded by multiple ~40% 3pt shooters at all times so he should be looking to attack and dish as well as doing those give and go's near the 3pt line, using his wide body to free up the shooters. Randle has never had an offense this talented around him... he could really transform his game to prove the haters wrong (like he did in that Jan stretch).
True, but the only change is Mikal replacing Grimes/Bogs, so he has already been in an offense this good. He doesn't need to change his game; he's already our second leading assist man as a PF. He's proven that part of his game already. Not sure why we want to transform an All NBA player when he's already doing what you're saying. He should keep doing what he's doing, just do it better in the playoffs.
cgf wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:cgf wrote:Has there been any news about whether we’ll sign someone to the MLE just to facilitate a later trade? Precious + Payne/McBride + tpMLE would let us match for a legit rotation guy.
Knicks gave up because they know they can't get past the Pacers
We should beat the Pacers more often than not, but they’re not just going to go away unless they do something dumb like Atlanta did.
Hali wasn’t as good as he was before he got hurt, Mathurin was their third best player in the regular season, and their kids should take a lot from that experience.
I get the impulse to dismiss them because they don’t have the big names that Philly does and despite being injured themselves they beat injured teams, but the Pacers are more of a threat to us than the 6ers are. Philly is just too soft and has too little depth.
Luckily Cleveland and Orlando haven’t yet realized that a Garland - Franz trade would turn both of them into true contenders
cgf wrote:NiceLikeChrist wrote:JayTWill wrote:A lot of attention is given to the offensive side of the ball and especially on-ball shot creation but the Knicks' defense could not stop the Pacers. The Pacers had the best offense of any single team in any single round in the playoffs against the Knicks. The Pacers got whatever they wanted on the court from whoever and wherever with insane efficiency.
Obviously OG going down, injuries and fatigue played a role but I always wonder how the team would have looked defensively by adding 36 minutes of healthy Randle, 24-30 minutes of "healthy" Mitch and possibly some minutes for Bogey. The Pacers play with a ton of ball movement, player movement pace and space. Randle, Mitch and Bogey are not exactly a great matchup defensively against the Pacers.
Maybe the best defense against the Pacers is a good offense. Maybe the Knicks would have been able to slow down the pace and dominate the boards but there is also the possibility that the Pacers would have just run the Knicks off the court. The Knicks offense wasn't pretty but their defense was a bigger problem in that series and I can't imagine a Thibs' team winning a championship by trying to win in shootouts.
The Knicks added Mikal who will hopefully help on both ends of the court but there is more to the game than just on-ball shot creation.
Most of that was because Thibs thought it would be a good idea to have Brunson on TJ so much. We beat them the two games we had OG. We were just missing too much after he went down and don't forget it was some garbage BS shot that saved them from being down 0-3. All we needed to sweep the pacers was just one of OG, Randle, or Mitch.
The Pacers are like a hockey team because they are so deep & they play with so much energy on both sides of the ball. If you cannot match their depth, they can wear you down even if you’re more talented if you don’t have at least 8 or 9 guys capable of eating real minutes.
We can absolutely beat them & I would favor us to with both teams mostly healthy, but them being a tough playoff opponent won’t be a fluke…especially since getting Mathurin & Hali healthy for year 2 with Siakam, could make their offense even tougher to slowdown.
Wildcat wrote:cgf wrote:NiceLikeChrist wrote:
Most of that was because Thibs thought it would be a good idea to have Brunson on TJ so much. We beat them the two games we had OG. We were just missing too much after he went down and don't forget it was some garbage BS shot that saved them from being down 0-3. All we needed to sweep the pacers was just one of OG, Randle, or Mitch.
The Pacers are like a hockey team because they are so deep & they play with so much energy on both sides of the ball. If you cannot match their depth, they can wear you down even if you’re more talented if you don’t have at least 8 or 9 guys capable of eating real minutes.
We can absolutely beat them & I would favor us to with both teams mostly healthy, but them being a tough playoff opponent won’t be a fluke…especially since getting Mathurin & Hali healthy for year 2 with Siakam, could make their offense even tougher to slowdown.
Teams like the Pacers have generally follow the trend. They turn heads with their offense, then the following season they're a play-in team. They very much look like the East-Kings.
And no one is going to convince me the Pacers won the series more than the Knicks lost that series.
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8516knicks wrote:Context wrote:R-DAWG wrote:
Small guard needs a ton of high leverage usage in the playoffs. After 7 games suffers injury one. 6 games later suffers injury #2.
Just makes the point that we don’t have enough shot creation.
we need to see this team play for an extended period of time before we cement a point like that IMO...
We are extremely versatile - we also need to see how Thibs handles this team...The only things cemented to me if you want to "worry" about them is Mitch and OG missing games...I'm not worried about Brunson at all- he's very smart and tough!
And the reason I wont worry about Mitch or OG is because we cant do much about it. I dont worry about things that are out of my control...
I will say this...I think this front office is the best we've had in decades and I think we need to enjoy that...I believe no matter what is thrown at us they will figure it out...
In a way, this team is build to handle a key injury or two - the exceptions being were down just Jalen as PG (still pretty secure as he's not injury prone) and half a center at the 1 & 5 positions. Hopefully our wonder D forwards will help cover that disappearing center position.
KnixinSix wrote:8516knicks wrote:Context wrote:we need to see this team play for an extended period of time before we cement a point like that IMO...
We are extremely versatile - we also need to see how Thibs handles this team...The only things cemented to me if you want to "worry" about them is Mitch and OG missing games...I'm not worried about Brunson at all- he's very smart and tough!
And the reason I wont worry about Mitch or OG is because we cant do much about it. I dont worry about things that are out of my control...
I will say this...I think this front office is the best we've had in decades and I think we need to enjoy that...I believe no matter what is thrown at us they will figure it out...
In a way, this team is build to handle a key injury or two - the exceptions being were down just Jalen as PG (still pretty secure as he's not injury prone) and half a center at the 1 & 5 positions. Hopefully our wonder D forwards will help cover that disappearing center position.
How many teams have really good centers that OG or even Randle couldn't handle?
I am starting to wonder if the lack of urgency on getting a C really might mean some serious minutes for OG/Randle at the 5 spot.
cgf wrote:Wildcat wrote:cgf wrote:
The Pacers are like a hockey team because they are so deep & they play with so much energy on both sides of the ball. If you cannot match their depth, they can wear you down even if you’re more talented if you don’t have at least 8 or 9 guys capable of eating real minutes.
We can absolutely beat them & I would favor us to with both teams mostly healthy, but them being a tough playoff opponent won’t be a fluke…especially since getting Mathurin & Hali healthy for year 2 with Siakam, could make their offense even tougher to slowdown.
Teams like the Pacers have generally follow the trend. They turn heads with their offense, then the following season they're a play-in team. They very much look like the East-Kings.
And no one is going to convince me the Pacers won the series more than the Knicks lost that series.
They have way more depth than the kings did and their defense was average after they stopped starting Hield & Toppin. We should be better, but they’re good really good too.
thebuzzardman wrote:cgf wrote:Wildcat wrote:
Teams like the Pacers have generally follow the trend. They turn heads with their offense, then the following season they're a play-in team. They very much look like the East-Kings.
And no one is going to convince me the Pacers won the series more than the Knicks lost that series.
They have way more depth than the kings did and their defense was average after they stopped starting Hield & Toppin. We should be better, but they’re good really good too.
Damn. Knicks 24-25 season over before it started.
All this for 35 wins
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cgf wrote:Wildcat wrote:cgf wrote:
The Pacers are like a hockey team because they are so deep & they play with so much energy on both sides of the ball. If you cannot match their depth, they can wear you down even if you’re more talented if you don’t have at least 8 or 9 guys capable of eating real minutes.
We can absolutely beat them & I would favor us to with both teams mostly healthy, but them being a tough playoff opponent won’t be a fluke…especially since getting Mathurin & Hali healthy for year 2 with Siakam, could make their offense even tougher to slowdown.
Teams like the Pacers have generally follow the trend. They turn heads with their offense, then the following season they're a play-in team. They very much look like the East-Kings.
And no one is going to convince me the Pacers won the series more than the Knicks lost that series.
They have way more depth than the kings did and their defense was average after they stopped starting Hield & Toppin. We should be better, but they’re good really good too.
JayTWill wrote:A lot of attention is given to the offensive side of the ball and especially on-ball shot creation but the Knicks' defense could not stop the Pacers. The Pacers had the best offense of any single team in any single round in the playoffs against the Knicks. The Pacers got whatever they wanted on the court from whoever and wherever with insane efficiency.
Obviously OG going down, injuries and fatigue played a role but I always wonder how the team would have looked defensively by adding 36 minutes of healthy Randle, 24-30 minutes of "healthy" Mitch and possibly some minutes for Bogey. The Pacers play with a ton of ball movement, player movement pace and space. Randle, Mitch and Bogey are not exactly a great matchup defensively against the Pacers.
Maybe the best defense against the Pacers is a good offense. Maybe the Knicks would have been able to slow down the pace and dominate the boards but there is also the possibility that the Pacers would have just run the Knicks off the court. The Knicks offense wasn't pretty but their defense was a bigger problem in that series and I can't imagine a Thibs' team winning a championship by trying to win in shootouts.
The Knicks added Mikal who will hopefully help on both ends of the court but there is more to the game than just on-ball shot creation.
KnixinSix wrote:8516knicks wrote:Context wrote:we need to see this team play for an extended period of time before we cement a point like that IMO...
We are extremely versatile - we also need to see how Thibs handles this team...The only things cemented to me if you want to "worry" about them is Mitch and OG missing games...I'm not worried about Brunson at all- he's very smart and tough!
And the reason I wont worry about Mitch or OG is because we cant do much about it. I dont worry about things that are out of my control...
I will say this...I think this front office is the best we've had in decades and I think we need to enjoy that...I believe no matter what is thrown at us they will figure it out...
In a way, this team is build to handle a key injury or two - the exceptions being were down just Jalen as PG (still pretty secure as he's not injury prone) and half a center at the 1 & 5 positions. Hopefully our wonder D forwards will help cover that disappearing center position.
How many teams have really good centers that OG or even Randle couldn't handle?
I am starting to wonder if the lack of urgency on getting a C really might mean some serious minutes for OG/Randle at the 5 spot.
cgf wrote:NiceLikeChrist wrote:JayTWill wrote:A lot of attention is given to the offensive side of the ball and especially on-ball shot creation but the Knicks' defense could not stop the Pacers. The Pacers had the best offense of any single team in any single round in the playoffs against the Knicks. The Pacers got whatever they wanted on the court from whoever and wherever with insane efficiency.
Obviously OG going down, injuries and fatigue played a role but I always wonder how the team would have looked defensively by adding 36 minutes of healthy Randle, 24-30 minutes of "healthy" Mitch and possibly some minutes for Bogey. The Pacers play with a ton of ball movement, player movement pace and space. Randle, Mitch and Bogey are not exactly a great matchup defensively against the Pacers.
Maybe the best defense against the Pacers is a good offense. Maybe the Knicks would have been able to slow down the pace and dominate the boards but there is also the possibility that the Pacers would have just run the Knicks off the court. The Knicks offense wasn't pretty but their defense was a bigger problem in that series and I can't imagine a Thibs' team winning a championship by trying to win in shootouts.
The Knicks added Mikal who will hopefully help on both ends of the court but there is more to the game than just on-ball shot creation.
Most of that was because Thibs thought it would be a good idea to have Brunson on TJ so much. We beat them the two games we had OG. We were just missing too much after he went down and don't forget it was some garbage BS shot that saved them from being down 0-3. All we needed to sweep the pacers was just one of OG, Randle, or Mitch.
The Pacers are like a hockey team because they are so deep & they play with so much energy on both sides of the ball. If you cannot match their depth, they can wear you down even if you’re more talented if you don’t have at least 8 or 9 guys capable of eating real minutes.
We can absolutely beat them & I would favor us to with both teams mostly healthy, but them being a tough playoff opponent won’t be a fluke…especially since getting Mathurin & Hali healthy for year 2 with Siakam, could make their offense even tougher to slowdown.
Wildcat wrote:cgf wrote:Wildcat wrote:
Teams like the Pacers have generally follow the trend. They turn heads with their offense, then the following season they're a play-in team. They very much look like the East-Kings.
And no one is going to convince me the Pacers won the series more than the Knicks lost that series.
They have way more depth than the kings did and their defense was average after they stopped starting Hield & Toppin. We should be better, but they’re good really good too.
I don't want to go too much into the weeds, but the Kings averaged like 30-35 PPG off the bench that year. I don't recall thinking their depth as an issue.
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cgf wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:cgf wrote:
They have way more depth than the kings did and their defense was average after they stopped starting Hield & Toppin. We should be better, but they’re good really good too.
Damn. Knicks 24-25 season over before it started.
All this for 35 wins
Oh we’re on a much fancier treadmill than that
Capn'O wrote:JayTWill wrote:A lot of attention is given to the offensive side of the ball and especially on-ball shot creation but the Knicks' defense could not stop the Pacers. The Pacers had the best offense of any single team in any single round in the playoffs against the Knicks. The Pacers got whatever they wanted on the court from whoever and wherever with insane efficiency.
Obviously OG going down, injuries and fatigue played a role but I always wonder how the team would have looked defensively by adding 36 minutes of healthy Randle, 24-30 minutes of "healthy" Mitch and possibly some minutes for Bogey. The Pacers play with a ton of ball movement, player movement pace and space. Randle, Mitch and Bogey are not exactly a great matchup defensively against the Pacers.
Maybe the best defense against the Pacers is a good offense. Maybe the Knicks would have been able to slow down the pace and dominate the boards but there is also the possibility that the Pacers would have just run the Knicks off the court. The Knicks offense wasn't pretty but their defense was a bigger problem in that series and I can't imagine a Thibs' team winning a championship by trying to win in shootouts.
The Knicks added Mikal who will hopefully help on both ends of the court but there is more to the game than just on-ball shot creation.
IMO, losing OG was the biggest loss by far vs. the Pacers. They can play Mitch off the floor but OG can stop anyone in their 1-5 and disrupt their offense. Then, he's a huge asset for our offense. He allows us to match pace without dropping too much length. Hart's just too small to do much against Siakam or Turner and Mitch is too slow.
OG is the perfect piece against that team. What can you do.
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