OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[Deeeez Knicks]

For example, Broncos looked dead in the water with Russell Wilson….$85 mil cap hit. They just made the playoffs with Nix and at least look to be in respectable shape. Hitting on a rookie qb is probably the best way for the Browns to be respectable. Any decent vet is gonna cost, or maybe you get lucky with a Darnold or something.

[DOT]

For example, Broncos looked dead in the water with Russell Wilson….$85 mil cap hit. They just made the playoffs with Nix and at least look to be in respectable shape. Hitting on a rookie qb is probably the best way for the Browns to be respectable. Any decent vet is gonna cost, or maybe you get lucky with a Darnold or something.

The difference is, Watson's cap hit would be double that

When they cut Wilson in 2024, he was owed $85 million, split into $53 million last year and $32 million this year. They cut him in year 1 of Nix

If the Browns cut Watson this year (would be the same timetable as Wilson), they will have an $82 million dead cap this year as well as an $89 million dead cap next year. Year 2 of Shedeur they would be paying Watson $90 million

If you cut Watson after this year, he would have an $81 million cap hit in 2026 and a $54 million cap hit in 2027. That would be year 3 of Shedeur, still a bigger cap hit than the Broncos had in year 1 with Nix

I think they literally cannot cut Watson this year because they would not be able to field a team. As a matter of fact, I think they can't even cut him in 2026, they're gonna have to restructure him again and push more money into the void years, which means if they cut him after 2026, they'll still be paying him in 2028

I just think when we get to that level of dead cap, it completely negates the benefits of a rookie scale contract.

[GONYK]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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I'm old enough to remember when Shedur was wearing Giants shoes for his games, and hanging out with Giants players and talking on his podcast about playing for the Giants

[Ghetto Gospel]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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I'm old enough to remember when Shedur was wearing Giants shoes for his games, and hanging out with Giants players and talking on his podcast about playing for the Giants

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[Deeeez Knicks]

For example, Broncos looked dead in the water with Russell Wilson….$85 mil cap hit. They just made the playoffs with Nix and at least look to be in respectable shape. Hitting on a rookie qb is probably the best way for the Browns to be respectable. Any decent vet is gonna cost, or maybe you get lucky with a Darnold or something.

The difference is, Watson's cap hit would be double that

When they cut Wilson in 2024, he was owed $85 million, split into $53 million last year and $32 million this year. They cut him in year 1 of Nix

If the Browns cut Watson this year (would be the same timetable as Wilson), they will have an $82 million dead cap this year as well as an $89 million dead cap next year. Year 2 of Shedeur they would be paying Watson $90 million

If you cut Watson after this year, he would have an $81 million cap hit in 2026 and a $54 million cap hit in 2027. That would be year 3 of Shedeur, still a bigger cap hit than the Broncos had in year 1 with Nix

I think they literally cannot cut Watson this year because they would not be able to field a team. As a matter of fact, I think they can't even cut him in 2026, they're gonna have to restructure him again and push more money into the void years, which means if they cut him after 2026, they'll still be paying him in 2028

I just think when we get to that level of dead cap, it completely negates the benefits of a rookie scale contract.

They are in a real bad situation. But either way if they can draft someone they think can be a franchise QB they should do it. They can't just give up for the next 3 years. Don't think Watson should factor into that decision. If you can draft a franchise QB you do it.

Really, what you are saying is the same for any position they draft. They will be cheap at first, and will have to pay them eventually too. QB is magnified, but also way more important and tougher to find. I kinda think it actually plays in favor of drafting a QB. If he doesn't pan out then you can reset. If he does then even better and reset with him. And it offsets Watson more then anything else and gets them respectable. Might as well swing for the fence. Otherwise with that cap hit doesn't even matter who they draft like you said. When your that much in the hole a Joe Flacco or scrub vet isn't enough

[Deeeez Knicks]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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I'm old enough to remember when Shedur was wearing Giants shoes for his games, and hanging out with Giants players and talking on his podcast about playing for the Giants

I mean I can't blame him.

[TerrenceClarke]

SS literally said on his blog yesterday people read to much into what he does. He word powder blue shorts and people were saying he talking about the titans.

It means nothing that his first visit is with the browns cause he already said he second visit is with the Giants.

Everybody has favorite team in Madden. And the reason why he plays with browns is cause of the offense, not because he cares about them.

If we being honest SS has not mentioned no team more than the Giants all year long. He has played the hint with giants the most this season.

Even says his relationship with FO is exciting.



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[DOT]

Really, what you are saying is the same for any position they draft. They will be cheap at first, and will have to pay them eventually too.

What other position could they draft who will have a backup that literally cannot play on the field with them being paid $172 million over their first 3 years?

[MrDollarBills]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

The reality is you’re not picking for the Giants.

So at the end of the day what does it matter.

The Giants NEED a QB. Logic dictates that the highest odds of a player being picked is a QB if one is there. And those odds of one being are solid.

If we dealing with ratio at number 3

Odds of QB Picked>> Odds of non QB picked.

So yeah, we know what YOU would do…

But Schoen is picking, and as of right now it’s pointing the opposite of what you want.

The odds of trade back for SS is extremely low …almost non existent if you ask me.

It’s just wishful thinking.

Bro I'm just giving my opinion on our team, i do not give a f*ck that I'm not picking for the Giants. What does that have to do with anything?

Stop making the convo weird.

Logic dictates that Schoen and Daboll should have been fired and we should be resetting and picking BPA because we need talent. Forcing QB picks when there are more talented players on the board is how we ended up here.

[MrDollarBills]

If Sanders is there I am taking him. No idea if he will be good or not and QBs in the draft are a crap shoot but you have to take these swings when you are in the position the giants are in.

Downside is when they fire everyone after this season, it muddy the water when a new front office team comes in with a drafted qb they inherited.

Alternate seems like we will end up with Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson and everyone gets fired anyway at end of the season.

Just sim this season to 2026

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

Way I see it, Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are the two best players in the draft. I take them before anyone else even if I literally don't have a QB

If they're gone, I take a QB, but only if I need one. When I look at the next tier of non-QBs in Graham, Jeanty, T-Mac, Campbell, Warren, arguably Johnson, I see it as they're either not true blue chip prospects or they're at positions you just don't take that early unless you're a good team who happens to have a top pick

If Hunter and Carter are gone 1 and 2, i pivot to QB, sure.

But if Hunter is on the board at 3 I'm taking him.

I'm not passing on elite talent that can be under cheap deals along with Malik Nabers for the next several years

[MrDollarBills]

Still think it'll go Cam, Sanders at #1 and #2

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I'm old enough to remember when Shedur was wearing Giants shoes for his games, and hanging out with Giants players and talking on his podcast about playing for the Giants

I don't have a problem with this, he's playing the game

Matthew Stafford basically used us to get a contract from the Rams. These guys will flirt with anyone who has interest and rightfully so.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Really, what you are saying is the same for any position they draft. They will be cheap at first, and will have to pay them eventually too.

What other position could they draft who will have a backup that literally cannot play on the field with them being paid $172 million over their first 3 years?

It's sunk cost at this point. I mean, are you saying they shouldn't try to get a QB for the next 3 years if it costs money or a high pick? That's basically giving up and no gm is surviving that

[DOT]

Really, what you are saying is the same for any position they draft. They will be cheap at first, and will have to pay them eventually too.

What other position could they draft who will have a backup that literally cannot play on the field with them being paid $172 million over their first 3 years?

It's sunk cost at this point. I mean, are you saying they shouldn't try to get a QB for the next 3 years if it costs money or a high pick? That's basically giving up and no gm is surviving that

I'm saying they don't really get the biggest benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract if they draft one this year, and it would be a detriment to Shedeur if they did draft him

Imagine if Brock Purdy breaks out but the 49ers owe Garoppolo $172 million. Sure, you have a good QB, but you don't really get the ability to build around him by supplementing the roster with expensive talent, you have to build like you have a high end QB contract from the start, because you do.

[TerrenceClarke]

If we trade back, sure

Me personally, I'm not passing on Travis Hunter. If we can trade back in to get Shedeur sure. But I'm not passing on an elite prospect because Daboll and Schoen need a QB to save their asses.

This isn't a one year fix and this isn't a situation where Shedeur will be plugged in to play immediately. Talent trumps need.

The reality is you’re not picking for the Giants.

So at the end of the day what does it matter.

The Giants NEED a QB. Logic dictates that the highest odds of a player being picked is a QB if one is there. And those odds of one being are solid.

If we dealing with ratio at number 3

Odds of QB Picked>> Odds of non QB picked.

So yeah, we know what YOU would do…

But Schoen is picking, and as of right now it’s pointing the opposite of what you want.

The odds of trade back for SS is extremely low …almost non existent if you ask me.

It’s just wishful thinking.

Bro I'm just giving my opinion on our team, i do not give a f*ck that I'm not picking for the Giants. What does that have to do with anything?

Stop making the convo weird.

Logic dictates that Schoen and Daboll should have been fired and we should be resetting and picking BPA because we need talent. Forcing QB picks when there are more talented

players on the board is how we ended up here.

Making the convo weird is harping every day about why you wouldn’t pick SS with lame as reasons.

You the same dude who said DJ was good so can we really trust your evaluations?

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[Deeeez Knicks]

What other position could they draft who will have a backup that literally cannot play on the field with them being paid $172 million over their first 3 years?

It's sunk cost at this point. I mean, are you saying they shouldn't try to get a QB for the next 3 years if it costs money or a high pick? That's basically giving up and no gm is surviving that

I'm saying they don't really get the biggest benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract if they draft one this year, and it would be a detriment to Shedeur if they did draft him

Imagine if Brock Purdy breaks out but the 49ers owe Garoppolo $172 million. Sure, you have a good QB, but you don't really get the ability to build around him by supplementing the roster with expensive talent, you have to build like you have a high end QB contract from the start, because you do.

Understood. But at the same time you don’t pass on having someone like Purdy on a great deal because of that. It’s actually what you need to look for. I mean, hypothetically Purdy is making almost nothing. So if you can’t build around his salary, you can’t build around anyone and you’re basically giving up.

[TerrenceClarke]

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Thanks goodness.

[mpharris36]

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Thanks goodness.

Yeah Wilson is the guy I least want even as a vet bridge guy.

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what do you make of this?

[TerrenceClarke]

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Thanks goodness.

Yeah Wilson is the guy I least want even as a vet bridge guy.

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what do you make of this?

Honestly ?
That it’s a vet QB that Myles feels makes them competitive.

It goes back to what I said earlier in the week. I don’t think they give MG all that bread unless they want to win games. I personally never bought the SS stuff with them cause the browns is kind of a win now team.

I dont see him as the troll type …so I can only assume it’s not a rookie QB.

[mpharris36]

Thanks goodness.

Yeah Wilson is the guy I least want even as a vet bridge guy.

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what do you make of this?

Honestly ?
That it’s a vet QB that Myles feels makes them competitive.

It goes back to what I said earlier in the week. I don’t think they give MG all that bread unless they want to win games. I personally never bought the SS stuff with them cause the browns is kind of a win now team.

I dont see him as the troll type …so I can only assume it’s not a rookie QB.

But wouldn't the most ready plug and play rookie make sense there if they do go the draft route?

Even though I don't think Sanders has wards upside. I do feel he is pretty plug and play with the mental side of the game. And most people think Stefanski's system (west coast style) kinda is well suited for a player of Sanders skill set.

Who knows what they told Garrett...but obviously they $$$ and they must have made him feel good about there plan at QB. I don't know if a player like Garrett would be giddy over a Joe Flacco or a run of the mill vet.