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[jvsimonetti0514]

My biggest concern with Haliburton was his fit here. With a team like ours still in search of a guy to breakdown the D and that’s just not his game. If we knew Randle was gonna supernova like this it makes him a much better fit. I guess it was probably better to draft him and figure it out later.

i still think you want a guard with better shot creation. and it doesn't look like it will be rj.

I ended editing my post with a comment about RJ and I totally agree. We’d just be able to confirm that RJ isn’t that guy with some actual shooting in the back court. Then eventually slide Haliburton over to the 2 after we drafted Suggs or whomever.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

My biggest concern with Haliburton was his fit here. With a team like ours still in search of a guy to breakdown the D and that’s just not his game. If we knew Randle was gonna supernova like this it makes him a much better fit. I guess it was probably better to draft him and figure it out later.

This is why you add the smart, skilled players and worry about the rest later. It's never a bad thing to have someone like Haliburton on your team.

I'm sure that's why the Knicks passed on him, they didn't think he was good enough to be the primary playmaker (which may be true) but on a team completely bereft of playmakers (until Julius Randle morphed into a borderline All-Star) it's tough to pass on a guy like Haliburton. Maybe Thibs was confident he could make Randle the focal point of the offense and told the FO to draft accordingly.

Luckily for me I never said he was bad player just bad fit so my scouting credibility is still intact Probably still too soon to say Randle has taken a jump or not yet but I’d hope that the front office wouldn’t double down on power forwards if they knew Randle was going to be so good. Especially with how bad our backcourt has been. It would actually make Haliburton an even better fit. There’s still a solid chance Obi will be good but you’re probably right that Hali shoulda been the pick.

[Montmorencie]

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Spicy P and Brandon Ingram looked and still look like being in some kind of momentum. When it passes they won't find themselves in an All Star conversation again. Not that they are bad, they are just many more natural players. Just look at Tatum, Booker, Donovan Mitchell, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Juniour even - their game look much smoother, nice clean shooting unlike theirs, not that clumsy dribbling. I don't buy these two even tho at moments they look like KD, they ain't.

[Fat]

It’s not really a surprise hailburton is playing well. You would of saw similar results if he was playing on the hawks next to trae young.

Fox is one of those pg”s in the league that demands attention. And that opens the door for hailburton to be hailburton he can play his game rather than being some kind of head huncho at point guard.

If he got drafted to let’s say the pistons he might look worse than Hayes.

He would of looked good on the Knicks next to Quickley and RJ but who was going to predict Quickley was going to look this good? We already knew he was a good shooter but he looks better at pg than he did at Kentucky. Maybe because he was playing with 2 other guards at Kentucky and now has a chance to show more of his game? Off season improvements after such a long break? Who knows

Cade/Quickley, Suggs/Quickley, bouknight/Quickley are backcourts I rather have over hailburton/quickely just because any of these guys have way more upside than hailburton does. Knicks need talent not glue guys

Honestly the way we are using topppin we could of
Drafted deni and had similar results with better defense, younger and higher potential. Thats the pick id be mad at missing vs hailburton

It’s way to early for regrets though. Toppin has played literally one game and has more potential than a lot of guys taken after him, he’s a late bloomer 22 yr old not a vet 22 year old college player with 4 years under his belt we’re going to still have to be patient with him and let him learn and get accustomed to the nba. Him getting injured might be a blessing in disguise for him it gives him opportunity and time to study the game and find his niche in the offense

[3toheadmelo]

It’s not really a surprise hailburton is playing well. You would of saw similar results if he was playing on the hawks next to trae young.

Fox is one of those pg”s in the league that demands attention. And that opens the door for hailburton to be hailburton he can play his game rather than being some kind of head huncho at point guard.

If he got drafted to let’s say the pistons he might look worse than Hayes.

He would of looked good on the Knicks next to Quickley and RJ but who was going to predict Quickley was going to look this good? We already knew he was a good shooter but he looks better at pg than he did at Kentucky. Maybe because he was playing with 2 other guards at Kentucky and now has a chance to show more of his game? Off season improvements after such a long break? Who knows

Cade/Quickley, Suggs/Quickley, bouknight/Quickley are backcourts I rather have over hailburton/quickely just because any of these guys have way more upside than hailburton does. Knicks need talent not glue guys

Honestly the way we are using topppin you could of
Drafted deni and had similar results with better defense, younger and higher potential. Thats the pick id be mad at missing vs hailburton

I don’t regret the toppin pick though we barely even seen
Anything yet he has played one game and his potential is still a power forward that can mix it up inside and outside with good passing ability I wouldn’t check out on him just yet. He just might not be as ready and polished as we assumed which kind of sucks since he’s 22 but it is what it is.

I don’t regret the Obi pick either (although he’s been disappointing) but damn Haliburton would’ve been the perfect guard next to Magic Randle. It is what it is I guess

[Zenzibar]

Fellas Quickley can be better than Haliburton and have a winning impact. The Kings are in the same position as us regarding what to do with their #1 draft pick.
Hailburton is behind their starting guards and Obi behind Randle.

One either drafts for need, which doesn't always work out, or daft best player available (see Wolves/Bulls). Which is what I believe both teams did.

No ONE here believed that Randle would be playing like this, not even the front office. But if we're to make a push for the 20th spot, having Obi give Randle minutes may work out well.

We have 1 more year to figure this out cause if the BPA in the 2021 draft is a small forward your telling me, we won't pick a small forward because RJ is there?

In any event, while Hali is a really nice player, so is Quickley and he may actually get more minutes than Hali once it's all said and done. BTW, realize if we would have drafted Hali it would have changed the draft sequence and Quickley may not have been there. It would have been Hali and no one else. Not Haliburton AND Quickley, only on RealGM.

[Fat]

It’s not really a surprise hailburton is playing well. You would of saw similar results if he was playing on the hawks next to trae young.

Fox is one of those pg”s in the league that demands attention. And that opens the door for hailburton to be hailburton he can play his game rather than being some kind of head huncho at point guard.

If he got drafted to let’s say the pistons he might look worse than Hayes.

He would of looked good on the Knicks next to Quickley and RJ but who was going to predict Quickley was going to look this good? We already knew he was a good shooter but he looks better at pg than he did at Kentucky. Maybe because he was playing with 2 other guards at Kentucky and now has a chance to show more of his game? Off season improvements after such a long break? Who knows

Cade/Quickley, Suggs/Quickley, bouknight/Quickley are backcourts I rather have over hailburton/quickely just because any of these guys have way more upside than hailburton does. Knicks need talent not glue guys

Honestly the way we are using topppin you could of
Drafted deni and had similar results with better defense, younger and higher potential. Thats the pick id be mad at missing vs hailburton

I don’t regret the toppin pick though we barely even seen
Anything yet he has played one game and his potential is still a power forward that can mix it up inside and outside with good passing ability I wouldn’t check out on him just yet. He just might not be as ready and polished as we assumed which kind of sucks since he’s 22 but it is what it is.

I don’t regret the Obi pick either (although he’s been disappointing) but damn Haliburton would’ve been the perfect guard next to Magic Randle. It is what it is I guess

Speaking of Randle. I think the Knicks are in a interesting situation. Let’s say Randle continues playing the way he is and is looking like a All-star Randle finally breaks out.. how does everything fall in place because I’m sure obi was drafted to be the future at the 4 spot.

Should the Knicks try to trade Randle and see what they can get for him if he’s still playing at a high level? Would that scare big name free agents away even more seeing somebody playing at an all star level just get traded like that?

Should we resign Randle if he keeps playing well and have obi continue to come off the bench?

[3toheadmelo]

It’s not really a surprise hailburton is playing well. You would of saw similar results if he was playing on the hawks next to trae young.

Fox is one of those pg”s in the league that demands attention. And that opens the door for hailburton to be hailburton he can play his game rather than being some kind of head huncho at point guard.

If he got drafted to let’s say the pistons he might look worse than Hayes.

He would of looked good on the Knicks next to Quickley and RJ but who was going to predict Quickley was going to look this good? We already knew he was a good shooter but he looks better at pg than he did at Kentucky. Maybe because he was playing with 2 other guards at Kentucky and now has a chance to show more of his game? Off season improvements after such a long break? Who knows

Cade/Quickley, Suggs/Quickley, bouknight/Quickley are backcourts I rather have over hailburton/quickely just because any of these guys have way more upside than hailburton does. Knicks need talent not glue guys

Honestly the way we are using topppin you could of
Drafted deni and had similar results with better defense, younger and higher potential. Thats the pick id be mad at missing vs hailburton

I don’t regret the toppin pick though we barely even seen
Anything yet he has played one game and his potential is still a power forward that can mix it up inside and outside with good passing ability I wouldn’t check out on him just yet. He just might not be as ready and polished as we assumed which kind of sucks since he’s 22 but it is what it is.

I don’t regret the Obi pick either (although he’s been disappointing) but damn Haliburton would’ve been the perfect guard next to Magic Randle. It is what it is I guess

Speaking of Randle. I think the Knicks are in a interesting situation. Let’s say Randle continues playing the way he is and is looking like a All-star. Randle finally breaks out.. how does everything fall in place because I’m sure obi was drafted to be the future at the 4 spot.

Should the Knicks try to trade Randle and see what they can get for him if he’s still playing at a high level? Would that scare big name free agents away even more seeing somebody playing at an all star level just get traded like that?

Should we resign Randle if he keeps playing well and have obi continue to come off the bench?

I say we resign Randle and make Obi a 6th man. We gotta keep Randle if he keeps this up imo.

[Richard4444]

He has some suspect shot selection, but he’s a willing defender and will move the rock.

Is he great? Nope. Is he as bad as some might think? Nope

What would it take to get Rubio to NY?

Looks like MIN would like to win now & 48 mins of good PG play is a step in the right direction. Not sure he’s available unless they taper off.

They are not tanking. They gave the pick to GSW

[Richard4444]

Haliburton and Quickley would've solved our PG problems all at once.

We'd probably be set in the backcourt for the next 10 years. All in one day.

We could've had another guard who can score efficiently, shoot from distance, handle the ball as a secondary playmaker and be switchable on defense. All the advanced metrics and the eye test pointed towards that. It was a lay-up.

Instead, we have ball-dominant vet PG who can't shoot, and a lottery pick who plays the same position as the one player who's breaking out on our roster.

Knicks clowning.

Yes. It was so obvious that Randle would break out and a PF would be redundant.

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jesus

he shot that like shawn marion. i don't see anything that indicates "star" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i don't either but people want to be right about their pick or grieve and moan about everything the knicks do so I guess we have to hear about it every time he scores 10 points

maybe this means people will finally get bored with agonizing over sga and porter

[2010]

Weve yet to really see Obi play and yall already with the "we shouldve drafted this guy"
I honestly would rather have Quickley over Haliburton. Tyrese just gonna be an inconsistent shooter imo. All ive wanted for years is to have a guard who can shoot lights out and IQ shot seems automatic

Haliburton AND Quickley would have been an A+ draft.

[BugginOut]

Haliburton is nice, but Quickley can be better. It is what it is. Let's just hope our kids develop and stop daydreaming over other teams rookies after four games lol

[HEZI]

Look on the bright side at least we didn't end up with Brickillikina Hayes

[iLLmatic860]

Weve yet to really see Obi play and yall already with the "we shouldve drafted this guy"
I honestly would rather have Quickley over Haliburton. Tyrese just gonna be an inconsistent shooter imo. All ive wanted for years is to have a guard who can shoot lights out and IQ shot seems automatic

Haliburton AND Quickley would have been an A+ draft.

After 4 games tho? What if In a couple years Toppin ends up being better than Hali?

[2010]

Weve yet to really see Obi play and yall already with the "we shouldve drafted this guy"
I honestly would rather have Quickley over Haliburton. Tyrese just gonna be an inconsistent shooter imo. All ive wanted for years is to have a guard who can shoot lights out and IQ shot seems automatic

Haliburton AND Quickley would have been an A+ draft.

After 4 games tho? What if In a couple years Toppin ends up being better than Hali?

Haliburton is a better fit. Toppin is blocked by Randle, and that's not even factoring in him having an adjustment period where Haliburton has hit the ground running.

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lol never change berman

[iLLmatic860]

Haliburton AND Quickley would have been an A+ draft.

After 4 games tho? What if In a couple years Toppin ends up being better than Hali?

Haliburton is a better fit. Toppin is blocked by Randle, and that's not even factoring in him having an adjustment period where Haliburton has hit the ground running.

Guess we will see. Maybe we turn Toppin to a sf once he Improves D. Idk

[god shammgod]

bucks feel harden is not a "culture" fit ? you better get on with that bullsh*t. giannis aint bringing you no chip on his own.