Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[Wildcat]

I was thinking about Lowry, but he looked done in that Philly series. The knicks need someone who can actually hold their own when Brunson sits.

One of the take aways of Josh starting is him getting more comfortable dribbling the ball up. A lot of the bench concerns is going to depend on how the substitution patterns work. Like send Randle to the bench at the 10 minute mark, have JB finish the quarter, bring back Randle at the start of the 2nd and rest JB until the 6 minute mark. Something like that, but far more fluid than I'm describing.

CP3 does have a non-guaranteed salary this offseason that Warriors can just waive. I don't see why Warriors won't do that and save that fcking luxury bill that they need to drop. Let Klay go, waive CP3's non guarantee, trade Wiggins.

If CP3 would sign an MLE (he probably wants multi-year as well), why not right? He is capable of spot starting if need be, can probably teach Deuce a thing or two. He is still good defensively.

If not Lowry, how about Dennis Smith Jr. or Cam Payne for the BAE (3.4m?)?

I think Tyus Jones will be out of our price range. Perhaps Monte Morris?

I was okay last year with CP3 as JB's backup. What wasn't clear last year was whether he'd be done with coming off the bench. Seemed like he was fine with it. For a 39 year old, I think he played fine. If you want a vet, I'd prefer him over Lowry. I've never been high on DSJr. His outside shooting may not mesh well with the unit. Because of the 76ers series, I don't want or like Cam.

[Spree2Houston]

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Giannis is probably the absolute best case scenario of a guy who fits this system perfectly as a two way elite O and D player. He's relatively young , not SUPER injury prone like other guys are . He is not a super diva and we would have a tremendous package which would include a star replacement at PF in Randle.

THIS is the guy that what be worth the grandmaster package.

Randle, Mitch Robinson, 4 FRPs for Giannis.

Bogey, McBride and 2 FRPs for DeJounte.

Resign I Hart

Giannis makes the most sense now. Milwaukee’s championship window has closed. There’s no upside to that team anymore. They’re capped out. Dame and Middletown are getting old. Their role players are old. If the Bucks are smart, they start the rebuild this off-season.

Getting Giannis makes sense on many levels.

1) Legitimate 2-way superstar
2) Would not take away but add to Brunson’s game
3) Can play Center when teams throw a stretch big on us
4) Not a diva and can handle playing under Thibs
5) Durable player

[RHODEY]

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Giannis is probably the absolute best case scenario of a guy who fits this system perfectly as a two way elite O and D player. He's relatively young , not SUPER injury prone like other guys are . He is not a super diva and we would have a tremendous package which would include a star replacement at PF in Randle.

THIS is the guy that what be worth the grandmaster package.

Randle, Mitch Robinson, 4 FRPs for Giannis.

Bogey, McBride and 2 FRPs for DeJounte.

Resign I Hart

Giannis makes the most sense now. Milwaukee’s championship window has closed. There’s no upside to that team anymore. They’re capped out. Dame and Middletown are getting old. Their role players are old. If the Bucks are smart, they start the rebuild this off-season.

Getting Giannis makes sense on many levels.

1) Legitimate 2-way superstar
2) Would not take away but add to Brunson’s game
3) Can play Center when teams throw a stretch big on us
4) Not a diva and can handle playing under Thibs
5) Durable player

Its up to Giannis.....

[KnixinSix]

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Giannis is probably the absolute best case scenario of a guy who fits this system perfectly as a two way elite O and D player. He's relatively young , not SUPER injury prone like other guys are . He is not a super diva and we would have a tremendous package which would include a star replacement at PF in Randle.

THIS is the guy that what be worth the grandmaster package.

Randle, Mitch Robinson, 4 FRPs for Giannis.

Bogey, McBride and 2 FRPs for DeJounte.

Resign I Hart

Giannis makes the most sense now. Milwaukee’s championship window has closed. There’s no upside to that team anymore. They’re capped out. Dame and Middletown are getting old. Their role players are old. If the Bucks are smart, they start the rebuild this off-season.

Getting Giannis makes sense on many levels.

1) Legitimate 2-way superstar
2) Would not take away but add to Brunson’s game
3) Can play Center when teams throw a stretch big on us
4) Not a diva and can handle playing under Thibs
5) Durable player

Giannis is the type of guy who you empty the treasure chest for. Giannis probably looks at this team and says I can play with one of the best PGs in the game and be bracketed with OG and Mitch and/or Hartenstein in the front court? Sign me up!

In all seriousness his fit here in this lineup is incredible.

Randle, Robinson and 4-5FRPs for Giannis
Bogs, McBride and 2FRPs for DeJounte
Resign IHart

I-Hart, Achiwa, Giannis
Giannis, Achiwa, OG
OG, Hart
DDV, Murray, Hart
Brunson, Murray

-A guy who can legitimately take pressure off Brunson constantly ball handling in Murray.

-Both Murray and Giannis have the ability to play good defense. Giannis is another couple levels better than Randle defensively

- Murray also gives decent length at either the 1 or the 2 which Thibs loves in his drop defensive sets.

[sol537]

Someone big is going to make a trade demand. Let’s see who…

[KnicksGadfly]

How would you all feel if the Knicks signed CP3 for the tax payer MLE?

Like were a destination right? Are we that much of a destination we could get CP3 as a bench piece?

I don't mind a veteran PG and especially one that can still play defense and be a great floor general. We're talking about 10-15 minutes where we need a level headed player to not be a net negative.

Would you rather do Kyle Lowry for a cheaper price and save that MLE for someone a little bit younger that comes off the bench?

I was thinking about Lowry, but he looked done in that Philly series. The knicks need someone who can actually hold their own when Brunson sits.

I think for Lowry, it really depends on how prideful he is. I don't think he's done. The Sixers played him an obscene amount in that series...he's a 38 year old guy (who I think performed well, considering).

I'd love him on this team if he's willing to embrace the Udonis Haslem role. Old head guy, who comes in when he needs to, but otherwise is content to play a vet role. Minimum level contract. Passes on wisdom to the rest of the guys.

[newyorker4ever]

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I've also seen that OKC will have interest in OG. I'm wondering if OG is nervous about Thibs and his reputation of playing guys too much which could absolutely be something with how OG has already been littered with soft tissue injuries his entire career.

[nykinoz]

The CAA influence is real, no way we trade for OG without a deal in place going forward.

[WargamesX]

The CAA influence is real, no way we trade for OG without a deal in place going forward.

It shouldn’t be collusion but I still feel like the league will find a way to rescind a Knicks second rounder.

[Signature NYK]

DeMar DeRozan for Bojan and a couple of picks? DD has said publicly that he’d like to be here.

I don’t know who this Presti guy is. He doesn’t always make sense but I like this one.

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Bojan Mitch Deuce 4 1sts

for

Demar Caruso Vuc

Bojan Mitch Deuce combined salary is $38mil

Vuc + Caruso hit $29.8mil, We can match/exceed 125% of the outgoing salary in a deal
Derozan extend and trade @ $17.7mil annual to run an offense off the bench on a true contender. He adds the mid range shooting we simply don't really have outside of Randle and Brunson.

Caruso is a top tier point of attack defender and ultimate Thibs guy. (Sucks losing Deuce but Caruso fits the timeline of contention is an overall upgrade) he's also a better facilitator than Deuce will maintaining roughly the same 3 point shooting.

Vuc provides much needed versatility on offense from our backup center position. Can Stretch the floor (or at least is looked at as a threat to do so league wide) And can pass from out of the post and face up situations. I love Mitch to death but his limitations on offense are a killer. And he's always hurt. Vuc is also injury prone but (as is iHart for that matter smh) but I like the idea of splitting minutes down the middle between iHart and Vuc.

Brunson/Caruso
Donte/Demar
OG/Hart
Randle/Hart
iHart/Vuc (24 min each)

I know folks want a star... but that team is CRAZY deep and fit each other pretty well. If healthy we will bludgeon teams as were essentially trotting out 7 starters 1 allstar and 1 superstar every night. Fill out the roster with ring chasing vets and give it a go

And lowkey can still package more picks Demar and Vuc together in a deal for a star if we really feel the need...

[Meat]

DeMar DeRozan for Bojan and a couple of picks? DD has said publicly that he’d like to be here.

I don’t know who this Presti guy is. He doesn’t always make sense but I like this one.

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Bojan Mitch Deuce 4 1sts

for

Demar Caruso Vuc

Bojan Mitch Deuce combined salary is $38mil

Vuc + Caruso hit $29.8mil, We can match/exceed 125% of the outgoing salary in a deal
Derozan extend and trade @ $17.7mil annual to run an offense off the bench on a true contender. He adds the mid range shooting we simply don't really have outside of Randle and Brunson.

Caruso is a top tier point of attack defender and ultimate Thibs guy. (Sucks losing Deuce but Caruso fits the timeline of contention is an overall upgrade) he's also a better facilitator than Deuce will maintaining roughly the same 3 point shooting.

Vuc provides much needed versatility on offense from our backup center position. Can Stretch the floor (or at least is looked at as a threat to do so league wide) And can pass from out of the post and face up situations. I love Mitch to death but his limitations on offense are a killer. And he's always hurt. Vuc is also injury prone but (as is iHart for that matter smh) but I like the idea of splitting minutes down the middle between iHart and Vuc.

Brunson/Caruso
Donte/Demar
OG/Hart
Randle/Hart
iHart/Vuc (24 min each)

I know folks want a star... but that team is CRAZY deep and fit each other pretty well. If healthy we will bludgeon teams as were essentially trotting out 7 starters 1 allstar and 1 superstar every night. Fill out the roster with ring chasing vets and give it a go

And lowkey can still package more picks Demar and Vuc together in a deal for a star if we really feel the need...

That ain’t bad

[NiceLikeChrist]

I wish giannis would ask out but I don’t think he will. Idk I’m sure he knows that team is cooked. They aren’t going to another conf finals any time soon. He should bail but I think he’s just gonna be willing to waste away there. I don’t like his mentality at times either.

Don’t see Chicago giving us all their best players for a Mitch, Deuce package. Don’t want to give up players for bums who won’t work hard either.

Very interested in what happens this off season. If we get OG and iHart back and get Brunson and Randle to buy in with team friendly extensions then that’s already a huge win

[Richard4444]

Considering the huge interest in OG from the Sixers and other teams, I am not sure if the Knicks can convince OG to opt in.

[Richard4444]

DeMar DeRozan for Bojan and a couple of picks? DD has said publicly that he’d like to be here.

I don’t know who this Presti guy is. He doesn’t always make sense but I like this one.

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Bojan Mitch Deuce 4 1sts

for

Demar Caruso Vuc

Bojan Mitch Deuce combined salary is $38mil

Vuc + Caruso hit $29.8mil, We can match/exceed 125% of the outgoing salary in a deal
Derozan extend and trade @ $17.7mil annual to run an offense off the bench on a true contender. He adds the mid range shooting we simply don't really have outside of Randle and Brunson.

Caruso is a top tier point of attack defender and ultimate Thibs guy. (Sucks losing Deuce but Caruso fits the timeline of contention is an overall upgrade) he's also a better facilitator than Deuce will maintaining roughly the same 3 point shooting.

Vuc provides much needed versatility on offense from our backup center position. Can Stretch the floor (or at least is looked at as a threat to do so league wide) And can pass from out of the post and face up situations. I love Mitch to death but his limitations on offense are a killer. And he's always hurt. Vuc is also injury prone but (as is iHart for that matter smh) but I like the idea of splitting minutes down the middle between iHart and Vuc.

Brunson/Caruso
Donte/Demar
OG/Hart
Randle/Hart
iHart/Vuc (24 min each)

I know folks want a star... but that team is CRAZY deep and fit each other pretty well. If healthy we will bludgeon teams as were essentially trotting out 7 starters 1 allstar and 1 superstar every night. Fill out the roster with ring chasing vets and give it a go

And lowkey can still package more picks Demar and Vuc together in a deal for a star if we really feel the need...

I fear if we use the 125% exception, we will be hard-capped into the first apron (181M). We may need to give as much salary as received to be hard-capped only into the second apron (190M).

Also, I do not think Caruso is the player that can disrupt the opponent's defense like Brunson. I see him as an off-ball player who can shoot, defend, and hustle. I think his game is very similar to Hart, Deuce, and DiVincenzo.

[Richard4444]

I could see the Knicks liking Derozan for a few reasons but like others said there are definitely some real drawbacks.

Pros would be:

He has maintained an above average level of efficiency throughout his 30's. Something the Knicks have lacked even through the success of the past 2 years. Despite being one of the better offenses in the league the Knicks have been bottom 10 in true shooting percentage the past 2 seasons.

He has real playoff experience with Toronto.

Has historically been one of the best 4th quarter scorers in the league. For a team that is heavily reliant on one guy in the 4th, this would be a nice alternative option to have on nights Brunson can't put the cape on.

He's been extremely durable even in his advanced age. He's never had a season below 60 games in his career and his last 3 seasons have all been over 70 games with a heavy minutes load. If the Knicks plan on using him as a 6th man which I assume is a possibility then you can assume he'll be able to play an entire season with relative ease given that minute load and he's a guy you can feel good about spot starting in case of other injuries...

Knicks have won a lot of games by winning the possession battle. While Derozan doesn't get a ton of rebounds he helps you win the possession battle by not turning the ball over and having a high amount of assists. To put into context, for guys who have a 25 or higher usage percentage he has the 3rd lowest turnover % from that group. This will allow guys like Hartenstein, Randle, Hart and Mitch Rob (assuming most if not all are back) to pound the glass and get DD some "Kobe assists" that way as well...

Cons:

DD's game is not really a seamless fit offensively with a lot of teams and especially ours. His shot profile is extremely similar to Brunson and Randle. He loves to operate in the mid range area. We saw how having a 3rd scorer who didn't necessarily like to shoot 3's, in RJ, kind of cramped everything up offensively. Now the difference is Derozan is a much steadier and efficient offensive player than RJ is and much more experienced. He's also currently a better passer so the adjustment may be a tad bit easier but, the fit concerns would still remain. How exactly can you get all 3 of these guys on the floor at the same time and humming? Is it even possible?

Defensively Demar is sub par. He's also spent a lot of minutes at the 4 since moving to Chicago. While Randle will need some rest at times, the Knicks would not be bringing DD in just to spell Randle for 12-15 minutes a night...Can the Knicks survive defensively with Demar, Randle and Jalen all getting a ton of minutes? Is the trade off for Demar's offense truly worth it? Those are tough questions for the FO to answer IMO.

While Demar has playoff experience he's also struggled at times. It's always been a weird juxtaposition for me to determine why because he truly is awesome in the 4th quarter of the regular season which is probably the closest mirror to playoff basketball you can find... Just worth noting that if the Knicks are going to give up real assets for Demar you would hope that it would mean a playoff bump for them and quite frankly i'm not sure if you can bank on that given his history...

Ultimately, I don't think Demar should be a priority target given the above but, I wouldn't necessarily rule the move out.... There's a lot of questions with fit but he does provide some things this team lacks. It would come down to price for me and also what you would be taking yourself out of the running of... 2 firsts and Bogey to me is a non starter for a soon to be 35 year old with a questionable fit profile...However, if you get to mid-July and nothing else seems to materialize, then maybe I would pitch Chicago on two seconds or a projected late 1st and a 2nd. That seems more palatable to me even if I have to close my eyes and pinch my nose when I send it in to the league office

Want to make continuous soup?

Randle to Detroit for the 5th pick
Mitchell Robinson for Derozan with a 3 year 75m contract.
Draft Clingan at 5.

Hartenstein/Clingan
OG/Bogdanovic
Derozan/Hart
DDV/Hart
Brunson/McBride

I do not think we would trade Randle for a rookie. Too much risk for a team ready to compete. If he struggles to adapt, Thibs can get him out of rotation.

[sol537]

Considering the huge interest in OG from the Sixers and other teams, I am not sure if the Knicks can convince OG to opt in.

We're team immaculate vibes.

-> iHart gonna take 16m per for 4 years
-> Randle gonna take less than he's eligible for in a 4-yr extension with an opt out in year 3
-> Brunson gonna take that 4-year extension with an opt out in year 3
-> OG gonna opt-in and extend 4 years beyond with an opt out in year 3

We're building something special in NY...

[NiceLikeChrist]

If OG does sign elsewhere and we gave up RJ and IQ for a 30 game rental. What are the positives? We just have more money to throw at other targets? Would it be useful at all?

[Fury]

If OG does sign elsewhere and we gave up RJ and IQ for a 30 game rental. What are the positives? We just have more money to throw at other targets? Would it be useful at all?

There are no positives. But he's staying here so don't worry about it.

[Riot Randolph]

I thought it was understood by all OG was not opting in …he’s signing a new contract….dont be foolish and set yourself up for disappointment OG is NOT opting in

[Richard4444]

Considering the huge interest in OG from the Sixers and other teams, I am not sure if the Knicks can convince OG to opt in.

We're team immaculate vibes.

-> iHart gonna take 16m per for 4 years
-> Randle gonna take less than he's eligible for in a 4-yr extension with an opt out in year 3
-> Brunson gonna take that 4-year extension with an opt out in year 3
-> OG gonna opt-in and extend 4 years beyond with an opt out in year 3

We're building something special in NY...

Randle's next contract is a curious case.

If it's too expensive, no one will accept Randle" 's contract as a filler if a superstar becomes available.

If it's too cheap, the contract might be unuseful in a trade for a superstar. After entering the second apron, we only be able to land a high-salary player if we give an equal or higher-salary player in return.