Draft Thread #16 - UPDATE pg 75ish - Knicks inquiring about trade ups

[Clyde_Style]

it's not an anti-frank stance actually, i think they would just rather have the better pick and dump parsons for an expiring. lee & frank aren't really what they're after.

and welcome back

not sure what that means TBH

it means an expiring and 8th is going to beat lee, frank, 9th for memphis

I was asking what you meant by the bolded, not just what your lump sum evaluation of a package deal might be. It does seems you're saying management does not see Frank as fitting into their plans which doesn't really make much sense

[KnickLeDime]

If you guys don't save us from Knox I may have to openly root for your demise going forward. Leave Mikal alone!

[god shammgod]

If you guys don't save us from Knox I may have to openly root for your demise going forward. Leave Mikal alone!

oh so you was doing some kind of subterfuge....get the hell outta here

[Capn'O]

Some what shocked by your guys poll. Is this based on insider information or do you guys just really like Mikal?

Not insider but Mills gave a press conference where he basically described Mikal with how the team would approach the draft. Since then, the brass has done a lot of sidestepping but most here are basically running with that info.

Also we like him/are not really sold on the other guys in the range/don't think certain guys on the poll will be available. So we like him relative to our range, yes.

[mpharris36]

i agree. also, i don't think frank has the kind of value where he would be the difference maker in getting the deal done. if they can shed parsons and get the 7th or 8th pick, they're not gonna choose the 9th because we include frank.

I'm back and ready for the Draft. So I'll start with critiquing your anti-Frank stance. He really showed a lot of improvement toward the end of the year on offense, including some pretty footwork, and we know he can defend and see the floor and will likely remain very long.

it's not an anti-frank stance actually, i think they would just rather have the better pick and dump parsons for an expiring. lee & frank aren't really what they're after.

and welcome back

I don't think franks value is as low as your saying it. I think people understand he was going to struggle but there is plenty of value still there...but Franks value is still much greater to the knicks than what anyone else could offer.

The first thing would be getting as close to #4 as possible in a trade down.

So for example if the Bulls were trading down #7 has more value than #9. So that gives the Bulls a leg up.
But what might tilt the trade in our favor is the Bulls would have to deal Robin Lopez. The Grizz want to make the playoffs and how does Robin Lopez help them where Marc Gasol plays. Lee/Thomas would be much better fits then say Lopez and Felecio from the Bulls. And if Memphis really wants say Mikal Bridges (who they reportidly like) and can get him at 7 or 9...I think they would rather take the knicks package and shed parsons and get better contributing players.

[god shammgod]

not sure what that means TBH

it means an expiring and 8th is going to beat lee, frank, 9th for memphis

I was asking what you meant by the bolded, not just what your lump sum evaluation of a package deal might be. It does seems you're saying management does not see Frank as fitting into their plans which doesn't really make much sense

what management ? i'm talking about memphis. maybe you missed the beginning of this.

[KnickLeDime]

Some what shocked by your guys poll. Is this based on insider information or do you guys just really like Mikal?

Not insider but Mills gave a press conference where he basically described Mikal with how the team would approach the draft. Since then, the brass has done a lot of sidestepping but most here are basically running with that info.

Also we like him/are not really sold on the other guys in the range/don't think certain guys on the poll will be available. So we like him relative to our range, yes.

For the record, some of us hate him! Carry on...

[mpharris36]

it's not an anti-frank stance actually, i think they would just rather have the better pick and dump parsons for an expiring. lee & frank aren't really what they're after.

and welcome back

not sure what that means TBH

it means an expiring and 8th is going to beat lee, frank, 9th for memphis

CLE and CHI can't offer that...so its what other additions along with picks 7, 8, or 9 make each deal stand out.

[stuporman]

Jumping from 4-9 should cost more than that. We saw what jumping from 3 to 1 cost last year.

there was no parsons level contract involved in that deal. Parsons might be a worse deal then Noah. Think about that for a second. Now assess what it would take for the knicks to deal Noah?

We just saw a Parsons level contract get moved for an expiring and 2 seconds.

I’ll take it if that happened but there’s no way I see MEM jumping down 4 slots for that offer. Too many teams could outbid us

Not really, Parsons' has two years left and didn't play as many games over the past two seasons that Howard played last year. Dwight still put up a double double last season while only missing one game and he is in the final year of his contract. Parson can't stay on the floor and when he does get on it he's been terrible but still has two seasons left.....very little "level" to it.

If another team wants to take on Parsons' contract and offer pick(s)+players that are better then Memphis should jump at it but I don't see any team stepping up to make that deal other than maybe Philly with 10+Saric/filler. Would they add another future first, they could since they have them but would they? Who knows although if they only have to beat the Knicks offer then 10/2nd+Saric/filler does it.

[Milk]

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[Clyde_Style]

Some what shocked by your guys poll. Is this based on insider information or do you guys just really like Mikal?

Not insider but Mills gave a press conference where he basically described Mikal with how the team would approach the draft. Since then, the brass has done a lot of sidestepping but most here are basically running with that info.

Also we like him/are not really sold on the other guys in the range/don't think certain guys on the poll will be available. So we like him relative to our range, yes.

It is true that Mikal may be the closest thing to what our management said they are looking for from now on:

Defense, Team Player, Smart, Coachable and Long (relative to their position). I do think they mentioned athleticism, but I don't remember it being the primary criteria

[god shammgod]

I'm back and ready for the Draft. So I'll start with critiquing your anti-Frank stance. He really showed a lot of improvement toward the end of the year on offense, including some pretty footwork, and we know he can defend and see the floor and will likely remain very long.

it's not an anti-frank stance actually, i think they would just rather have the better pick and dump parsons for an expiring. lee & frank aren't really what they're after.

and welcome back

I don't think franks value is as low as your saying it. I think people understand he was going to struggle but there is plenty of value still there...but Franks value is still much greater to the knicks than what anyone else could offer.

The first thing would be getting as close to #4 as possible in a trade down.

So for example if the Bulls were trading down #7 has more value than #9. So that gives the Bulls a leg up.
But what might tilt the trade in our favor is the Bulls would have to deal Robin Lopez. The Grizz want to make the playoffs and how does Robin Lopez help them where Marc Gasol plays. Lee/Thomas would be much better fits then say Lopez and Felecio from the Bulls. And if Memphis really wants say Mikal Bridges (who they reportidly like) and can get him at 7 or 9...I think they would rather take the knicks package and shed parsons and get better contributing players.

this whole we want to make the playoffs thing seems suspect at best. lopez is expiring and they have the better pick. so i don't think frank is gonna make the difference.

[Milk]

Some what shocked by your guys poll. Is this based on insider information or do you guys just really like Mikal?

Not insider but Mills gave a press conference where he basically described Mikal with how the team would approach the draft. Since then, the brass has done a lot of sidestepping but most here are basically running with that info.

Also we like him/are not really sold on the other guys in the range/don't think certain guys on the poll will be available. So we like him relative to our range, yes.

To add on to this, the Knicks board has been pretty consistent on Mikal.
Even before the lottery he was always in the lead on polls in draft threads here

[KnixinSix]

it's about getting memphis off that parsons deal. it's not like it's just the pick.

Jumping from 4-9 should cost more than that. We saw what jumping from 3 to 1 cost last year.

Oh, did the Celtics also dump a $50mil/2 year contract on a player who is injured all the time by moving down in that deal? No? Then that cost to swap picks isn't equated with a deal that does involve such a salary dump.

This is very significant for a small market team who is looking to reallocate their salary and maximize their playoff window before their vets get too old, it isn't nearly comparable to the pick swap you cited.

GOOD post. You nailed it.

[thebuzzardman]

Luka's dream is to date a 50 year old woman?

Suddenly, I don't think he means most valuable player when he says MVP.

MILF.....well, use your imagination for the rest.

[Clyde_Style]

it means an expiring and 8th is going to beat lee, frank, 9th for memphis

I was asking what you meant by the bolded, not just what your lump sum evaluation of a package deal might be. It does seems you're saying management does not see Frank as fitting into their plans which doesn't really make much sense

what management ? i'm talking about memphis. maybe you missed the beginning of this.

I probably did

FWIW then, I got the impression you thought Frank was fairly expendable and he's just another moving part for calculating a package to swap assets

Not sure if that is accurate, but I do believe it is now the opposite and that Frank is considered a cornerstone of the franchise and will not be included in any deal even if it means not being to trade up to a top 4 pick. I think Pills won't trade Frank now under any circumstances. Could be wrong, but I think Frank is kind of untouchable right now

[WajaBawl]

Some what shocked by your guys poll. Is this based on insider information or do you guys just really like Mikal?

Not insider but Mills gave a press conference where he basically described Mikal with how the team would approach the draft. Since then, the brass has done a lot of sidestepping but most here are basically running with that info.

Also we like him/are not really sold on the other guys in the range/don't think certain guys on the poll will be available. So we like him relative to our range, yes.

It is true that Mikal may be the closest thing to what our management said they are looking for from now on:

Defense, Team Player, Smart, Coachable and Long (relative to their position). I do think they mentioned athleticism, but I don't remember it being the primary criteria

What's weird is that we haven't heard a peep about how Mikals workout went or whether he spent time with Fizdale like Knox did. I am personally leaning more towards Knox, with Mikal as a strong second, but if all of this really is just a huge smokescreen in order for them to land Bridges, then I am genuinely impressed.

[F N 11]

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Son is tanking to land in NYC.

[thebuzzardman]

Luka's dream is to date a 50 year old woman?

[JojoSlimbiid]

If you guys don't save us from Knox I may have to openly root for your demise going forward. Leave Mikal alone!

oh so you was doing some kind of subterfuge....get the hell outta here

Nothing malicious...just want you guys to have the best possible talent. Knox does a lot of.....stuff.....and other stuff....plus he's 18 or something that's good stuff. Take him please.