Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

knickstape4ever · Post #1321 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:07 am

IMO they should to go all-in on Kawhi rather than all-in on AD. Bigs dont win championships anymore

drekwins · Post #1322 » by **drekwins** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:07 am

robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:What if he goes the Boogie route?
Signs with the Rockets or Bucks for an exception while he makes his way back in time for the playoffs....

Nah, he’s gonna opt in and rock out for a year in GS.
Tonight I think he became a Warrior in earnest ironically.

Ha, that's right. Who's going to pay him what he'll make in his option year under the contract? No one. He's back in GS next season.

Yeah I think teams are still going to be willing to sign him

We're talking about committing 160 mill and salary cap hell. He's going to make damn near 50 million in year 4.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1323 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:07 am

Capn'O wrote:Sooooo. Bag @ Brogdon?

Yes, indeedy.

Post #1324 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:09 am

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:You're committing a third of your cap for 4 years to a player who is recovering from a ruptured achilles on the wrong side of 30?

my thought process is who is a better FA than KD in 2 years even coming of the injury?

no one. I am because it doesn't change anything outside of the timeline instead of needing to compete next year we can take another year to develop the youngsters. I see this no different then KP missing the season and having to eventually pay him.

Better than throwing the bag at players that don't deserve it. If your talking Kawhi thats one thing. But I am not giving the max to anyone else.

I agree that giving the MAX to no one is the better play.

im still giving it to KD or Kawhi or both. If its KD and no one we still have 30+ million to take on 1 year deals and assets and just player to build the roster around him in a year. If its Kawhi that changes some things.

But other than that its build with the youth...but I just don't think our youth is that good (we are a ways away). We still don't have a top tier option and I its not easy to get one.

drekwins · Post #1325 » by **drekwins** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:09 am

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
because we aren't in a position to turn down a talent like KD even if he isn't hurt. There are only a few players worth giving the max. We can still develop the young guys and let KD rehab at the same time. Your investing into KD regardless.

You're committing a third of your cap for 4 years to a player who is recovering from a ruptured achilles on the wrong side of 30?

my thought process is who is a better FA than KD in 2 years even coming of the injury?

no one. I am because it doesn't change anything outside of the timeline instead of needing to compete next year we can take another year to develop the youngsters. I see this no different then KP missing the season and having to eventually pay him.

Better than throwing the bag at players that don't deserve it. If your talking Kawhi thats one thing. But I am not giving the max to anyone else.

Think Antoni McDyess. It's not happening man. It's hard to let go of the dream. It was so close. KD to NY is done.. at least for anything clsoe to the max.

3toheadmelo · Post #1326 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:09 am

taj2133 wrote:
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The knicks aren't tanking dude they will be more competitive next year. Like said before we got punished for tanking this year well to third could to fell 5 we very fortunate right now.

We have no choice but to tank and hope the lottery balls work in our favor and our scouting is on point. Good thing that next year's draft is much stronger than this year's so even if we do fall to 5 it wont be so bad.

Guano · Post #1327 » by **Guano** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:09 am

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
because we aren't in a position to turn down a talent like KD even if he isn't hurt. There are only a few players worth giving the max. We can still develop the young guys and let KD rehab at the same time. Your investing into KD regardless.

You're committing a third of your cap for 4 years to a player who is recovering from a ruptured achilles on the wrong side of 30?

my thought process is who is a better FA than KD in 2 years even coming of the injury?

no one. I am because it doesn't change anything outside of the timeline instead of needing to compete next year we can take another year to develop the youngsters. I see this no different then KP missing the season and having to eventually pay him.

Better than throwing the bag at players that don't deserve it. If your talking Kawhi thats one thing. But I am not giving the max to anyone else.

This is why someone is going to max him. Teams tank for the lottery then hope the player they get develops into a star. Teams will throw a max at a proven top 3 player with the hopes he will recover.

Post #1328 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:10 am

im giving a achillies less KD a max before I max out a soon to be 27 year old role player in brogden.

Post #1329 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:10 am

drekwins wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:You're committing a third of your cap for 4 years to a player who is recovering from a ruptured achilles on the wrong side of 30?

my thought process is who is a better FA than KD in 2 years even coming of the injury?

no one. I am because it doesn't change anything outside of the timeline instead of needing to compete next year we can take another year to develop the youngsters. I see this no different then KP missing the season and having to eventually pay him.

Better than throwing the bag at players that don't deserve it. If your talking Kawhi thats one thing. But I am not giving the max to anyone else.

Think Antoni McDyess. It's not happening man. It's hard to let go of the dream. It was so close. KD to NY is done.. at least for anything clsoe to the max.

disagree completely

Post #1330 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:11 am

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
my thought process is who is a better FA than KD in 2 years even coming of the injury?

no one. I am because it doesn't change anything outside of the timeline instead of needing to compete next year we can take another year to develop the youngsters. I see this no different then KP missing the season and having to eventually pay him.

Better than throwing the bag at players that don't deserve it. If your talking Kawhi thats one thing. But I am not giving the max to anyone else.

I agree that giving the MAX to no one is the better play.

im still giving it to KD or Kawhi or both. If its KD and no one we still have 30+ million to take on 1 year deals and assets and just player to build the roster around him in a year. If its Kawhi that changes some things.

But other than that its build with the youth...but I just don't think our youth is that good (we are a ways away). We still don't have a top tier option and I its not easy to get one.

There's gotta be some protections.

We can't have $50M tied up in half a player.

drekwins · Post #1331 » by **drekwins** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:12 am

Kawhi and AD are the top two targets. If they think they can land one, they'll then make a run at Kemba/DLO. If they can't get AD or Kawhi, it's over and we're prioritizing 1 year deals.

Oscirus · Post #1332 » by **Oscirus** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:13 am

Im continuing to build if Im the Knicks. If we go all in on one player and it turns out like the Carmelo situation, fans will revolt. We're better off building a foundation, being fiscally responsible this year and hopefully making enough noise to be an appealing destination in a year or two ( as opposed to a media distraction).

drekwins · Post #1333 » by **drekwins** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:13 am

mpharris36 wrote:
drekwins wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
my thought process is who is a better FA than KD in 2 years even coming of the injury?

no one. I am because it doesn't change anything outside of the timeline instead of needing to compete next year we can take another year to develop the youngsters. I see this no different then KP missing the season and having to eventually pay him.

Better than throwing the bag at players that don't deserve it. If your talking Kawhi thats one thing. But I am not giving the max to anyone else.

Think Antoni McDyess. It's not happening man. It's hard to let go of the dream. It was so close. KD to NY is done.. at least for anything clsoe to the max.

disagree completely

You think he's going to be playing forever? He'll be 32 before he steps foot on the court again. How many stars (not named LeBron) keep flourishing well into their 30s? Only big men and LeBron. It doesn't look good for KD coming off an injury.

knickstape4ever · Post #1334 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:13 am

I'm kinda in shock and it still hasn't really set in that the best shot at returning the Knicks to relevance just ruptured his achilles just 3 weeks b4 presumably signing...this team may very well be cursed

robillionaire · Post #1335 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:14 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
taj2133 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Watch this and you'll feel better

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The knicks aren't tanking dude they will be more competitive next year. Like said before we got punished for tanking this year well to third could to fell 5 we very fortunate right now.

We have no choice but to tank and hope the lottery balls work in our favor and our scouting is on point. Good thing that next year's draft is much stronger than this year's so even if we do fall to 5 it wont be so bad.

Even if we don't tank and are somehow more competitive (we won't be) we will at best be a bottom 10 team in the NBA and will still have a decent chance to win the lottery from back there, just ask new orleans memphis or LA

I say take KD, sit him for a year, develop the kids, try to use the rest of the cap space to absorb expiring contracts for more assets, get another lottery pick in 2020, and then swing for the fences again in the summer of 2020, maybe by then AD is available if the pelicans send him somewhere he doesn't want to be

Either that or just don't sign anybody and full rebuild which is looking to be the most likely scenario right now

3toheadmelo · Post #1336 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:14 am

knickstape4ever wrote:
taj2133 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Watch this and you'll feel better

Watch on YouTube

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The knicks aren't tanking dude they will be more competitive next year. Like said before we got punished for tanking this year well to third could to fell 5 we very fortunate right now.

even if they dont get any max FA's, I think they should sign 2nd/3rd tier FA's (guys like Morris, Ross, Green, etc) to 1yr bloated deals to keep the team competitive. the kids need vets around them to take the pressure off them

the lottery odds this year proved that they dont have to be the worst to get a top pick, might as well try to be competitive

Nah we need to rebuild through the draft. Trying to stay competitive with players like Morris does nothing for us in the long term bro. The best thing we can do is to stack up on young talent and develop them. Worry about free agents later when we have our core in place.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1337 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:15 am

Where's Besart when you need him?

Sark · Post #1338 » by **Sark** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:15 am

knickstape4ever wrote:IMO they should to go all-in on Kawhi rather than all-in on AD. Bigs dont win championships anymore

They should save their money and build organically.

Post #1339 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:16 am

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:I agree that giving the MAX to no one is the better play.

im still giving it to KD or Kawhi or both. If its KD and no one we still have 30+ million to take on 1 year deals and assets and just player to build the roster around him in a year. If its Kawhi that changes some things.

But other than that its build with the youth...but I just don't think our youth is that good (we are a ways away). We still don't have a top tier option and I its not easy to get one.

There's gotta be some protections.

We can't have $50M tied up in half a player.

maybe there is a mutually opt out...but i mean if KD truly wanted to come rarely do you get a superstar of that caliber to come to such a bad team. What other option do we have turn down KD and just wait? wait for a weighted lottery that doesn't benefit being bad. Who's the FA year from now thats worthy of the max if AD signs an extension somewhere? The 2020 free agent class is azz. So now the plan is to wait for 2021 and hope Giannis wants out of Milwaukee.

The continue to rebuild was always the backup plan. You still have to trust that KD can recover and can get back to close his talent and its still worth it because he's just that good.

Guano · Post #1340 » by **Guano** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:17 am

I'd rather see us use our cap to take on bad contracts with picks attached than throw max money at mediocrity