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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1321 » by knickstape4ever » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:18 am

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Considered an overpay by who? That’s a fair value contract, especially b/c it declined.

Beasley is not a big upgrade on defense. He’s mediocre on that end. He’s younger. Beasley isn’t getting 13. More likely 4/65.


A league executive told The Bee the Kings erred in overpaying Hield, Harrison Barnes and other players over the past few years. Hield will be paid $24.4 million next season in the first year of his new deal. Barnes was paid $24.1 million this season in the first year of his contract.

“You can’t pay everybody $25 million,” the executive said.

The executive believes the Kings will try to trade Hield, but he said that might not be easy. His ball-handling issues and defensive struggles are no secret around the league.


https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article245012050.html

I'd rather give Beasley 4/65 then trading assets to get Hield at 4/88.

Beasley might be an avg. defender, but Hield is a bad defender


Sounds like that executive should do his homework since Hield is only getting paid near 25 for one year and drop down to a little under 19 at the end.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/03/29/minnesota-timberwolves-sign-malik-beasley/

The downside to Beasley is that he is a complete negative on defense. He struggles to stay with his man, doesn’t force turnovers, and lacks the size to switch. This team, however, hasn’t seemed to care about defense.


He turned down 3 for 30. He produced offensively to close the season. He’s going to get paid.

We’ll see who’s the better player once Hield gets out of SAC and is starting


Beasley was one of Denver's better defenders (according to DRTG), but was bad defensively for the Wolves. that could be b/c he was much more involved offensively.

If something like 3/48-51 can get Beasley done, I'd rather do that than trade assets for Hield
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Post#1322 » by bleedblue3303 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:11 am

My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick

Draft Deni with our pick
Draft Tyrell Terry with Kings Pick

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Tyrell Terry = Curry Lite
Hield = Klay Lite
Deni = Better version of Harrison Barnes/Wiggins
PF ?
Center Mitch = better version of Mcgee/Bogut

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Post#1323 » by coopnyc74 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:18 pm

Throw the bag at Van Vleet.
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Post#1324 » by Richard4444 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:31 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick

Draft Deni with our pick
Draft Tyrell Terry with Kings Pick

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Tyrell Terry = Curry Lite
Hield = Klay Lite
Deni = Better version of Harrison Barnes/Wiggins
PF ?
Center Mitch = better version of Mcgee/Bogut

Bench
Frank = Sean Livingston
Iggy/Dotson = Andre Iggy


Hield has little value. Its a neutral contract. It costs the cap space.

Would you use RJ to dump Randle and get a 12 pick to pick a player that could be available in the 20s?
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1325 » by Richard4444 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:35 pm

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https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article245012050.html

I'd rather give Beasley 4/65 then trading assets to get Hield at 4/88.

Beasley might be an avg. defender, but Hield is a bad defender


Sounds like that executive should do his homework since Hield is only getting paid near 25 for one year and drop down to a little under 19 at the end.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/03/29/minnesota-timberwolves-sign-malik-beasley/

The downside to Beasley is that he is a complete negative on defense. He struggles to stay with his man, doesn’t force turnovers, and lacks the size to switch. This team, however, hasn’t seemed to care about defense.


He turned down 3 for 30. He produced offensively to close the season. He’s going to get paid.

We’ll see who’s the better player once Hield gets out of SAC and is starting


Beasley was one of Denver's better defenders (according to DRTG), but was bad defensively for the Wolves. that could be b/c he was much more involved offensively.

If something like 3/48-51 can get Beasley done, I'd rather do that than trade assets for Hield


We can get him for 48/3 if we sign and trade him. If you try to steal him, we will have to overpay him (60/3) to avoid the Kings to match it.
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Post#1326 » by dakomish23 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:09 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick

Draft Deni with our pick
Draft Tyrell Terry with Kings Pick

Starting 5
Tyrell Terry = Curry Lite
Hield = Klay Lite
Deni = Better version of Harrison Barnes/Wiggins
PF ?
Center Mitch = better version of Mcgee/Bogut

Bench
Frank = Sean Livingston
Iggy/Dotson = Andre Iggy


We could prob just use one of the extra picks instead of RJ
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Post#1327 » by -YogiBiz- » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:52 pm

coopnyc74 wrote:Throw the bag at Van Vleet.


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Post#1328 » by dakomish23 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:30 pm

I’m not saying it’s an option, but would you trade RJ & this pick for Mitchell if it was your choice?
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Post#1329 » by RShahNyC89 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:45 pm

dakomish23 wrote:I’m not saying it’s an option, but would you trade RJ & this pick for Mitchell if it was your choice?


I'm torn. I don't think RJ is going to wind up being better than Mitchell. But I don't think Mitchell is actually as net positive of a player as his peaks seem to make people think. I guess I'd rather take a chance on RJ being a serviceable 3rd option with size/better D and the draft pick over an undersized microwave 2 guard.
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Post#1330 » by RHODEY » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:10 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick


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Post#1331 » by knickstape4ever » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:37 pm

Richard4444 wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Sounds like that executive should do his homework since Hield is only getting paid near 25 for one year and drop down to a little under 19 at the end.

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/03/29/minnesota-timberwolves-sign-malik-beasley/



He turned down 3 for 30. He produced offensively to close the season. He’s going to get paid.

We’ll see who’s the better player once Hield gets out of SAC and is starting


Beasley was one of Denver's better defenders (according to DRTG), but was bad defensively for the Wolves. that could be b/c he was much more involved offensively.

If something like 3/48-51 can get Beasley done, I'd rather do that than trade assets for Hield


We can get him for 48/3 if we sign and trade him. If you try to steal him, we will have to overpay him (60/3) to avoid the Kings to match it.


Read on Twitter


maybe less than what we'd think to get 1 of Bogdanovic or Beasley
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Post#1332 » by Richard4444 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:31 pm

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Beasley was one of Denver's better defenders (according to DRTG), but was bad defensively for the Wolves. that could be b/c he was much more involved offensively.

If something like 3/48-51 can get Beasley done, I'd rather do that than trade assets for Hield


We can get him for 48/3 if we sign and trade him. If you try to steal him, we will have to overpay him (60/3) to avoid the Kings to match it.


Read on Twitter


maybe less than what we'd think to get 1 of Bogdanovic or Beasley


Buddy got 26M (regressive salary) and Brogdon (22). I would be surprised if he costs 15M.
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Post#1333 » by knickstape4ever » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:01 am

Richard4444 wrote:
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We can get him for 48/3 if we sign and trade him. If you try to steal him, we will have to overpay him (60/3) to avoid the Kings to match it.


Read on Twitter


maybe less than what we'd think to get 1 of Bogdanovic or Beasley


Buddy got 26M (regressive salary) and Brogdon (22). I would be surprised if he costs 15M.


I also thought 15M was low, but maybe its due to economic issues owners are facing
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Post#1334 » by dakomish23 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:15 am

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dakomish23 wrote:I’m not saying it’s an option, but would you trade RJ & this pick for Mitchell if it was your choice?


I'm torn. I don't think RJ is going to wind up being better than Mitchell. But I don't think Mitchell is actually as net positive of a player as his peaks seem to make people think. I guess I'd rather take a chance on RJ being a serviceable 3rd option with size/better D and the draft pick over an undersized microwave 2 guard.


I wouldn’t put him in microwave category but I’m also not sure that he’s a legit #1 on a top playoff team b/c his shooting is about average. He needs for the efficiency to go & he still might not be a #1.

Mitchell and Mitch is not a bad start actually building.
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Post#1335 » by 8516knicks » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:06 am

Yeah, I 'd go for that trade for DM. RJ's first season wasn't that great compared to lots of other rookies. Sick of Knicks who don't play D and can't make foul shots or 3s. Think about Miami's recent hauls (Nunn, Hero, Robinson, Adebeyo). DM seems solid and is young. But if we have a chance at Ball or Hayes, maybe up to trade RJ for a 2-way player like the next Brogdon. Or maybe Golden State gives up Paschall?
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Post#1336 » by knickstape4ever » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 am

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Post#1337 » by 8516knicks » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:48 am

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Wonder how many think RJ is better than DM?
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Post#1338 » by bleedblue3303 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:04 am

8516knicks wrote:
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Wonder how many think RJ is better than DM?


Donovan Mitchell is top 15 player in the league. What is RJ ceiling? The second or 3rd option on a really good team. I'll pack his bags for him gladly.
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Post#1339 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:56 am

bleedblue3303 wrote:My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick

Draft Deni with our pick
Draft Tyrell Terry with Kings Pick

Starting 5
Tyrell Terry = Curry Lite
Hield = Klay Lite
Deni = Better version of Harrison Barnes/Wiggins
PF ?
Center Mitch = better version of Mcgee/Bogut

Bench
Frank = Sean Livingston
Iggy/Dotson = Andre Iggy


Sorry bruh. Golden State-lite was taken by Atlanta already. We get to be Atlanta-lite with that lineup.

Starting 5
Tyrell Terry = Trae Lite
Hield = Huerter/Reddish Plus
Deni = Hunter
Randle = Collins Really Lite
Center Mitch = Capela Uninjured
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Post#1340 » by Richard4444 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:13 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick

Draft Deni with our pick
Draft Tyrell Terry with Kings Pick

Starting 5
Tyrell Terry = Curry Lite
Hield = Klay Lite
Deni = Better version of Harrison Barnes/Wiggins
PF ?
Center Mitch = better version of Mcgee/Bogut

Bench
Frank = Sean Livingston
Iggy/Dotson = Andre Iggy


Sorry bruh. Golden State-lite was taken by Atlanta already. We get to be Atlanta-lite with that lineup.

Starting 5
Tyrell Terry = Trae Lite
Hield = Huerter/Reddish Plus
Deni = Hunter
Randle = Collins Really Lite
Center Mitch = Capela Uninjured


Randle=Collins?
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