Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

RHODEY · Post #1321 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:48 am

Besart19 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Trade Randle for Kessler!

Trade thebuzzardmam for TKF

I predict TKF will return to the Knicks Forum this season....

Spoiler:

god shammgod · Post #1322 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:50 am

Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

DaGawd · Post #1323 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:14 pm

Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

prime example of why players have been avoiding playing for the knicks like a plague for the better part of our existence

DaGawd · Post #1324 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:15 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

i think he can slot in well as a number 2 guy. we’ll find out this season hopefully of he’s healthy come playoff time god willing. not everyone is a 1A

god shammgod · Post #1325 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:38 pm

DaGawd wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

i think he can slot in well as a number 2 guy. we’ll find out this season hopefully of he’s healthy come playoff time god willing. not everyone is a 1A

Go over all the other contenders number 2 guys and ask yourself if you would want them or Randle ?

3toheadmelo · Post #1326 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:42 pm

Don’t listen to the old man sham. His guy Mitch is going to be out the league way before Randle is since he still can’t hit free throws after 7 years. He’s the frank ntilikina of centers.

3toheadmelo · Post #1327 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:01 pm

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The Vo Show · Post #1328 » by **The Vo Show** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:13 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:

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JR isn't a bad defender when he tries. Its when he doesn't that we all get on him. He's always good at 1v1 defense but the big hole I think is the rotation to the corner. He almost never rotates to that corner and instead just turns to rebound.

Post #1329 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:59 pm

god shammgod wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

i think he can slot in well as a number 2 guy. we’ll find out this season hopefully of he’s healthy come playoff time god willing. not everyone is a 1A

Go over all the other contenders number 2 guys and ask yourself if you would want them or Randle ?

The only definite is Brown. He's right there with Irving, Towns, Holmgren*, Murray, Maxey, and Siakam. Lillard and George have taken a step back and the Lakers haven't been contenders even with their 1/2 punch. Main knock on Julius is that he hasn't been healthy for a playoff run in two years. We were mowing through teams with a healthy roster.

*Holmgren could become clearly better but he isn't yet.

god shammgod · Post #1330 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 3:13 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
DaGawd wrote:i think he can slot in well as a number 2 guy. we’ll find out this season hopefully of he’s healthy come playoff time god willing. not everyone is a 1A

Go over all the other contenders number 2 guys and ask yourself if you would want them or Randle ?

The only definite is Brown. He's right there with Irving, Towns, Holmgren*, Murray, Maxey, and Siakam. Lillard and George have taken a step back and the Lakers haven't been contenders even with their 1/2 punch. Main knock on Julius is that he hasn't been healthy for a playoff run in two years. We were mowing through teams with a healthy roster.

*Holmgren could become clearly better but he isn't yet.

I really don’t agree. The only guys on that list I wouldn’t take over him is dame and siakam. You couldn’t trade him for any of them either. I would think they all have more value.

R-DAWG · Post #1331 » by **R-DAWG** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 3:31 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

This is very well said. I keep saying the ancillary cost of the Bridges trade was locking into Randle long term.

The Knicks gamble is that you can get away with a less than ideal #2 if your very strong down the roster. We will see if it works.

I have always through Randle needed to be in a situation where he is the #2 offensive option but 3rd best overall player. For example - playing next to a guy like Bam in Miami.

god shammgod · Post #1332 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:28 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

This is very well said. I keep saying the ancillary cost of the Bridges trade was locking into Randle long term.

The Knicks gamble is that you can get away with a less than ideal #2 if your very strong down the roster. We will see if it works.

I have always through Randle needed to be in a situation where he is the #2 offensive option but 3rd best overall player. For example - playing next to a guy like Bam in Miami.

agreed. and in a lot of ways this is how the celtics built their team. neither one of their 2 guys are really good enough to lead you to a championship but they put enough talent around them that they didn't need to be. tatum can have a mediocre finals and it doesn't matter. the only problem with the knicks building their team like the celtics is that their starting 5 isn't quite as good and that's who they have to beat.

to be fair though....the knicks, correctly in my eyes, realized they weren't getting any of the big names they were hoping for (embiid, giannis, whoever) anytime soon and this was a move they could make. in a vacuum it's an overpay, there's no other way to see it. but if you wanted to build a contender around brunson while he's still in his prime (he'll be 28 in a week, this is his prime) you had to do something.

Wildcat · Post #1333 » by **Wildcat** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:34 pm

Randle lives rent free a lot of heads here.

ctorres · Post #1334 » by **ctorres** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 5:23 pm

Why has it been so difficult to pull off a trade for Walker Kessler?

Jalen, Josh, and Mikal all played with him on Team USA last year. What is the hold up?

Fat · Post #1335 » by **Fat** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 5:28 pm

Wildcat wrote:Randle lives rent free a lot of heads here.

When your one of the best players in the NBA the hate follows behind

8516knicks · Post #1336 » by **8516knicks** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 5:35 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

i want to see how Randle and the team gel now - if they can get back into last year's Jan/Feb groove, but your point -- " he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend." is a GREAT one, but perhaps you should have added "at an above average level" since he has his moments. :dontknow:

KnicksGadfly · Post #1337 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 5:41 pm

Fat wrote:
Wildcat wrote:Randle lives rent free a lot of heads here.

When your one of the best players in the NBA the hate follows behind

That quote sounds good until you realize Brunson doesn’t get hate here. NYC treats their stars really well if they play it right. The 90s Knicks are still remembered fondly here for what they gave.

And to be honest, Randle has been given so many chances, he should be grateful and not carrying any sort of victim mentality. He really has been treated really really well here, especially considering how the Knicks org and Thibs has treated him. He really should not be trying to leave.

WaltFrazier · Post #1338 » by **WaltFrazier** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 5:48 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:

Read on Twitter

He does at least have the strong body needed to body guys like in these clips

Iron Mantis · Post #1339 » by **Iron Mantis** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:41 pm

I am interested in seeing how these top-heavy teams respond when they start feeling what second apron life is really like.

TheGreenArrow · Post #1340 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:49 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Randle has been a core cog in our best multi year stretch since the 90s. I don't get the disdain for him. **** these other ninjas trying to get us to sell low. If they want our All-NBA player they need to pay All-NBA prices.

they won't though. he just doesn't have the skillset a lot of teams are interested in. he's a 4 that can't really shoot or defend. if he was above average at either of those things he would be much more valuable. and he's a guy who needs to be one of your top offensive options, because that's all he can really do, but is he good enough to lead you to a championship as that ? probably not. and he's turning 30 this year and you have to pay him, so he may start to decline on this next contract. i think he's gonna age out the league early too because he can never be an adequate role player. he doesn't have those skills. he's like the power forward version of westbrook.

we're in a pretty tough spot because we need another shot creator scorer if we trade him but we probably can't get one good enough using him. my guess is we'll have to pay him because we can't lose him for nothing either.

Randle at the would completely change the whole his whole narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just don’t see Thibs doing it though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!