The Politics Thread - please direct all related posts here..

[rsavaj]

Well good for him, how many siblings did his two moms produce for him? Go peddle your gay is a ok agenda elsewhere. Im not going to let you attempt to belittle me with your Horatio Alger analogy. Im way too sharp to fall into a mouse trap.

Wow....you got defensive really, really quickly. I wasn't belittling anybody.

Re: siblings....what's wrong if people don't have siblings? Do you have something against only children now?

[ewingxmanstarks]

Would you not agree that the ideal model for a child growing up is to have a mother and a father?

[rsavaj]

Would you not agree that the ideal model for a child growing up is to have a mother and a father?

I was initially going to say "yes", because that's just been the traditional way to do it, but when I think about it....does having one parent with a penis and the other with a vagina really make a difference? My dad is a great father not because he's male, but because he's hard-working, committed, intelligent, completely dedicated to his family, etc. The same with my mom...she's an incredible parent, and I don't think her gender is the reason she's one of the most important people in my life.

To me, good parents aren't defined by their genitalia. You can have two gay parents or two straight parents, and what dictates how their kids will turn out is not whether or not the parents are gay or straight, but whether or not they are good parents.

[ewingxmanstarks]

I think your kind of denying the unique nurturing roles that are associated with the different genders....ideally a child would have a good mom and a good dad.... I think 2 good dads, or 2 good moms is not a equal alternative....Just my opinion

[Pharmcat]

I think your kind of denying the unique nurturing roles that are associated with the different genders....ideally a child would have a good mom and a good dad.... I think 2 good dads, or 2 good moms is not a equal alternative....Just my opinion

whats the worse that can happen?

[rsavaj]

I think your kind of denying the unique nurturing roles that are associated with the different genders....ideally a child would have a good mom and a good dad.... I think 2 good dads, or 2 good moms is not a equal alternative....Just my opinion

whats the worse that can happen?

They turn into pedophile furries!!!!!

[ewingxmanstarks]

It marginalize the role of the traditional family, and can potentially bring many undesirable unexpected consequences.

[King of Troy]

It marginalize the role of the traditional family, and can potentially bring many undesirable unexpected consequences.

Like what?

If you're going to make broad statements, please explain them so we have an understanding of where you're coming from. Otherwise, we'll be lost as to what you're actually trying to convey.

[rsavaj]

It marginalize the role of the traditional family, and can potentially bring many undesirable unexpected consequences.

Like what?

If you're going to make broad statements, please explain them so we have an understanding of where you're coming from. Otherwise, we'll be lost as to what you're actually trying to convey.

Let Lewis Black explain

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-id4GKsaQk[/youtube]

[ewingxmanstarks]

For example, if homosexuals are allowed to adopt, then an adopted child that might have been adopted by a traditional family won't have that luxury.

To allow homosexuals on a broad level to raises children would be a social experiment that potentially could produce significantly different results..It hasn't been done yet in our society so why assume a desirable outcome?

[rsavaj]

For example, if homosexuals are allowed to adopt, then an adopted child that might have been adopted by a traditional family won't have that luxury.

To allow homosexuals on a broad level to raises children would be a social experiment that potentially could produce significantly different results..It hasn't been done yet in our society so why assume a desirable outcome?

You're starting with the baseline assumption that it's undesirable. Why make that assumption?

There are far, far more children up for adoption than actual straight parents who are adopting those children....so who exactly is being deprived of what now?

[ewingxmanstarks]

I'm just saying unexpected consequences....the only tested model is the traditional family.

The far more children who need parents is because of unwanted pregnancies, which is a separate issue all in it self, that needs to be dealt with....to say is homosexual addoption would be a good practical solution not only is an assumption, but takes away fron personal responsibility, which is the core of the problem.

[rsavaj]

I'm just saying unexpected consequences....the only tested model is the traditional family.

I understand that, but it's not like "traditional families" don't produce screwed up kids either. It's all a giant crapshoot, and I don't think gender has much to do with it IMO.

[ewingxmanstarks]

Fair enough, but there are significant problems in this day and age with the traditional family...IPO all the more reason to employ methods to strengthen it, not take away from it..IMO as well

[HarthorneWingo]

Would you not agree that the ideal model for a child growing up is to have a mother and a father?

doesn't that depend on the quality of the relationship and parenting? Edit: I mean, there are hetero couples who drink, do drug, molest and/ir beat their kids.

What's your point?

[ewingxmanstarks]

^We already went over that

[HarthorneWingo]

^We already went over that

got it.

edit: after going back and reading all the posts, i'm glad i missed it.

[HarthorneWingo]

Chicago's Police Superintendent, and former NYC cop (born in the Bronx), speaks out on gun violence. I'm not a religious person, but I stand with him. Do you?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIX4j2sormY&feature=player_embedded#at=13[/youtube]

[E86]

I wonder what a biologist would have to say on gay adoption. From an evolution stand point our instincts and traits stem from a relationship of nurturing, gathering mother and an almost absent hunting father.

However, I believe homosexuality to be a biological error in programming somewhere in our DNA chemistry. Obviously if you look at our genitalia anyone could deduce that homosexuality is an abnormality because a vagina is supposed to take a penis, not a dildo, and a penis is to be inserted in to a vagina not an anus.

That being said, the biological abnormality in homosexuals may cause the homosexual to be able to exude the qualities of a female mother. God knows some of these homosexuals look and act like females already. Which brings me to point that it could be healthy from a biological perspective for a homosexual to raise a child as a female mother would raise a child. But the balance in family would have to indubitably entail a butch and b*tch partnership for it be able to sustain an evolutionary OK experiment.

Given that homosexuality is an abnormality somewhere in the human genome one could conclude that homosexuals can raise a healthy child because two gay dudes don't function or have the same biological chemistry that two straight guys would. So one could theoretically stand in for the mother, and one for the father. But it's gotta be top and bottom relationship, no swapping.

I guess in conclusion making an argument for homosexuals to raise children is actually pretty difficult from a scientific level. People who make arguments for homosexual couples argue from an emotional rationale, not from anything of substance.

And for people to bring up substance abuse and irresponsibility in traditional families as some kind of counter argument need to realize that substance abuse is way more prevelent in gay communities. I remember working in gay communities in Seattle and seeing a lot of people in those neighborhoods with track marks, just sayin'.

[HarthorneWingo]

^^^ .... when was it that you worked in gay communities? what did you do? and, what significance is it that you "worked IN a gay community"? I had gay roommates in college and worked with gay people in my job.

Do you have any authoritative sources for anything you've said?