Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

[Thugger HBC]

Draymond Green is 6'7" and according to that stat he protects the rim better than Porzingis

Obviously height is not a factor in the grand scheme of things

Or Draymond Green is an exception and not the norm?

So Draymond Green is a Unicorn?

He's unique talented. Perhaps Durant will call him that like he did KP.

[HEZI]

Or Draymond Green is an exception and not the norm?

So Draymond Green is a Unicorn?

He's unique talented. Perhaps Durant will call him that like he did KP.

Perhaps

But it's not like we've never seen guys like Draymond before. I remember Elton Brand was 6'8" on a good day and he was an elite rim protector. Ben Wallace was slightly taller, what was he like 6'9" maybe?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Davis is a superstar and undoubtedly a better overall player than KP is right now. But it's not like he's better at everything. KP is a couple years younger and there are things he's already better at than Davis, such as long-range shooting (stretching the floor) & rim protection. Yes, you read that right - rim protection. Davis gets more blocks, but it's a pretty useless stat. The only stat that really matters is the DFG% differential. This is where the advantage of that 7'3 frame comes in.

Some DFG% Differentials at 6ft or less:

Joel Embiid -17.8%
Draymond Green -13.0%
Rudy Gobert -12.8%
Kristaps Porzingis -11.3%
Dewayne Dedmon -10.4%
Hassan Whiteside -10.3%
Marc Gasol -9.4%
Andrew Bogut -9.3%
DeMarcus Cousins -8.5%
Myles Turner -8.4%
Anthony Davis -7.8%

Yea defense seems to be the biggest difference between 7' and 7'3". If KP was 7', he would not be as good defending or protecting the rim. The extra few inches def helps. Its pretty clear watching him play.

But that's also not to say he's better then every 7' player. Obviously many great players at every size. You add a few inches to any player and it would most likely help though. It adds to KPs uniquness for sure.

how much of this really matters when they are players who are shorter and protect the rim better. So Height its not end all be all in being a better defender. Thats the whole point. If it was absolute that being 7'3 makes you a better defender or the best defender than a 7ft or 6'11 or shorter cat then that would be a different story.

It's not the end all be all or absolute. There are a other factors that makes a great defender. Height and length is just one and def helps.
KP has elite measurables and it helps make him better especially on defense. If he was a few inches shorter, he would still be good. Just maybe slightly less and not as good of a shotblocker.

[Thugger HBC]

So Draymond Green is a Unicorn?

He's unique talented. Perhaps Durant will call him that like he did KP.

Perhaps

But it's not like we've never seen guys like Draymond before. I remember Elton Brand was 6'8" on a good day and he was an elite rim protector. Ben Wallace was slightly taller, what was he like 6'9" maybe?

If we're just talking about rim protection then yes, there have been plenty that were undersized.

But Dray is much more than that at his size. KP is much more at his size as well.

[HEZI]

He's unique talented. Perhaps Durant will call him that like he did KP.

Perhaps

But it's not like we've never seen guys like Draymond before. I remember Elton Brand was 6'8" on a good day and he was an elite rim protector. Ben Wallace was slightly taller, what was he like 6'9" maybe?

If we're just talking about rim protection then yes, there have been plenty that were undersized.

But Dray is much more than that at his size. KP is much more at his size as well.

Yeah that's all I was referring to, the rim protection part.

[god shammgod]

being 7'3" in and of itself is very unique in the nba. having small forward skills at that size is even more unique. the problem is most of those skills aren't that developed. his handle needs work. his ability to create for himself. the speed of his release on his shot. he's a jump shooting big mostly and he needs to be open to get his shot off. which kind of makes his height sort of irrelevant at the moment (not on defense). we all kind of dream of a 7'3" durant. but it's gonna take some work to get there.

[Thugger HBC]

Perhaps

But it's not like we've never seen guys like Draymond before. I remember Elton Brand was 6'8" on a good day and he was an elite rim protector. Ben Wallace was slightly taller, what was he like 6'9" maybe?

If we're just talking about rim protection then yes, there have been plenty that were undersized.

But Dray is much more than that at his size. KP is much more at his size as well.

Yeah that's all I was referring to, the rim protection part.

But you stated that height is obviously not a factor. The same list you quoted by a wide margin feature guys with exactly what you state isn't a factor. The entire list was big men with height.

[IllmaticHandler]

The Problem here is that people can't separate Talented from Being Unique. KP is more talented than Unique if you ask me. If KP was only 7ft, I would not give a fucck, if he was not 7'3. I would not be saying oh I wish he was 3 inches taller. That would make him better. AD is 6'11, and I would pick him anyday of the week over the "taller" KP, who can shoot 3's better than him. There is more to basketball than a three pointer.



Like I said before. His Skill set for a 7fter is not on a Island as people try to claim. The NBA will see more and more bigmen like KP, but that won't mean they are as talented as him. Its a difference. 7ft..7'3 all the same schit at that point.

[HEZI]

If we're just talking about rim protection then yes, there have been plenty that were undersized.

But Dray is much more than that at his size. KP is much more at his size as well.

Yeah that's all I was referring to, the rim protection part.

But you stated that height is obviously not a factor. The same list you quoted by a wide margin feature guys with exactly what you state isn't a factor. The entire list was big men with height.

Because it's not a factor. Was height the reason that Andrea Bargnani couldn't protect the rim? What about Eddy Curry? Nikola Jokic? The list can go on and on with all the 7'0"+ players that have played in the NBA who couldn't make an impact on the defensive end. So how is it that guys that are under 7 feet are able to make bigger impacts then?

[Thugger HBC]

being 7'3" in and of itself is very unique in the nba. having small forward skills at that size is even more unique. the problem is most of those skills aren't that developed. his handle needs work. his ability to create for himself. the speed of his release on his shot. he's a jump shooting big mostly and he needs to be open to get his shot off. which kind of makes his height sort of irrelevant at the moment (not on defense). we all kind of dream of a 7'3" durant. but it's gonna take some work to get there.

I really don't see why this is so difficult to understand. What KP is able to do at 7' 3" is what makes him unique...his physical attributes. Similar to what Giannis can do at 6' 11, Durant at 7' feet. The height in particular is the factor in what makes these guys unique.

Hopefully it will be the same at Frank and his wingspan which is also unique, although I think Fox has the exact same wingspan from the same draft.

[Thugger HBC]

Yeah that's all I was referring to, the rim protection part.

But you stated that height is obviously not a factor. The same list you quoted by a wide margin feature guys with exactly what you state isn't a factor. The entire list was big men with height.

Because it's not a factor. Was height the reason that Andrea Bargnani couldn't protect the rim? What about Eddy Curry? Nikola Jokic? The list can go on and on with all the 7'0"+ players that have played in the NBA who couldn't make an impact on the defensive end. So how is it that guys that are under 7 feet are able to make bigger impacts then?

Is this really a serious question?

[IllmaticHandler]

Yea defense seems to be the biggest difference between 7' and 7'3". If KP was 7', he would not be as good defending or protecting the rim. The extra few inches def helps. Its pretty clear watching him play.

But that's also not to say he's better then every 7' player. Obviously many great players at every size. You add a few inches to any player and it would most likely help though. It adds to KPs uniquness for sure.

how much of this really matters when they are players who are shorter and protect the rim better. So Height its not end all be all in being a better defender. Thats the whole point. If it was absolute that being 7'3 makes you a better defender or the best defender than a 7ft or 6'11 or shorter cat then that would be a different story.

It's not the end all be all or absolute. There are a other factors that makes a great defender. Height and length is just one and def helps.
KP has elite measurables and it helps make him better especially on defense. If he was a few inches shorter, he would still be good. Just maybe slightly less and not as good of a shotblocker.

Why? Embiid is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Wihiteside is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Myles Turner is Shorter , And is a better shot blocker.

AD is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Rudy Gobert is shorter and is a better shot Blocker.


So those Three inches won't make him less of shot blocker. At some point bro, TALENT comes into play....people keep trying to put Height >Talent. When if you ask me. Talent> Height. When Talking about 6'11-7ft+

[HEZI]

But you stated that height is obviously not a factor. The same list you quoted by a wide margin feature guys with exactly what you state isn't a factor. The entire list was big men with height.

Because it's not a factor. Was height the reason that Andrea Bargnani couldn't protect the rim? What about Eddy Curry? Nikola Jokic? The list can go on and on with all the 7'0"+ players that have played in the NBA who couldn't make an impact on the defensive end. So how is it that guys that are under 7 feet are able to make bigger impacts then?

Is this really a serious question?

Not really, since I already know the answer

[Wolfgang630]

This dude still going on about unicorn lol. Ok just call him a giraffe if that makes you happy so you can move on.

[Thugger HBC]

Because it's not a factor. Was height the reason that Andrea Bargnani couldn't protect the rim? What about Eddy Curry? Nikola Jokic? The list can go on and on with all the 7'0"+ players that have played in the NBA who couldn't make an impact on the defensive end. So how is it that guys that are under 7 feet are able to make bigger impacts then?

Is this really a serious question?

Not really, since I already know the answer

Thought so, because listing a couple of guys who had the physical tools and skill to be really good, but little work ethic (not including Jokic)does not establish your point.

There will always be exceptions in the NBA. westbrook iirc, was in the top 5 in defensive rebounds. Does that mean that height is no factor when the other top 10 were centers with height? of course not, height matter for certain aspects of the game.

The vast majority of your best rim protectors will be guys with height.

[Deeeez Knicks]

how much of this really matters when they are players who are shorter and protect the rim better. So Height its not end all be all in being a better defender. Thats the whole point. If it was absolute that being 7'3 makes you a better defender or the best defender than a 7ft or 6'11 or shorter cat then that would be a different story.

It's not the end all be all or absolute. There are a other factors that makes a great defender. Height and length is just one and def helps.
KP has elite measurables and it helps make him better especially on defense. If he was a few inches shorter, he would still be good. Just maybe slightly less and not as good of a shotblocker.

Why? Embiid is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Wihiteside is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Myles Turner is Shorter , And is a better shot blocker.


So those Three inches won't make him less of shot blocker, at some point bro, TALENT comes into play....people keep trying to put Height >Talent. When if you ask me. Talent> Height. When Talking about 6'11-7ft+

Definitely Agreed talent >>>> height.

But height and length helps in some areas. Every inch counts especially on defense. That's not to say smaller players can't be better defenders or better shot blockers. Theres a lot of factors. Atheltoscm, strength, instinct, skill, talent, heart etc, etc along with height and length. It all plays a part.

Here's all his blocks... There's a bunch where KP gets a finger tip on it... He'd still be a good shot blocker at 7', just not as good. A bunch of plays in general where those extra few inches helps him reach around or be extra disruptive.

Watch on YouTube

[Jellybeans]

I need ignore/block button,so i can ignore those fcking trolls...

[Jalen Bluntson]

So now KP isn't a great shot blocker? I don't get it. His height doesn't help? Really? The tallest guy in the NBA doesn't have a shot blocking advantage? Puff puff pass!

I can't wait to see how this all plays out. The Melo trade value debates. The KP debates. The Ntilikina/DSJr debates. Can Jeff coach?

Some of the arguments just get ridiculous. I want something real to discuss. These dog days of summer suck.

[battabing10]

KP being 7'3" is unique because of the things he can do at 7' 3". He has some guard like skills, proven by winning the skills comp as a rook, prefers the wing like a SF, as evident by his 3pt shot and drive game, and has enough quickness if used as a pf, and can protect the rim. but also has some post skills that can definitely be expanded.

It's almost like some just aren't watching the young man or just jaded into their world.

He's 7' 3", but shouldn't be pegged or compared to centers, because he isn't a center. Said it since day one, he's a 7' 3" SF.

KP isn't just unique, he's the most unique player in the NBA, and has plenty of time to develop and expand his game.

Spot on! I salute you! And can I get an amen??!

[IllmaticHandler]

It's not the end all be all or absolute. There are a other factors that makes a great defender. Height and length is just one and def helps.
KP has elite measurables and it helps make him better especially on defense. If he was a few inches shorter, he would still be good. Just maybe slightly less and not as good of a shotblocker.

Why? Embiid is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Wihiteside is shorter, and is a better shot blocker.

Myles Turner is Shorter , And is a better shot blocker.


So those Three inches won't make him less of shot blocker, at some point bro, TALENT comes into play....people keep trying to put Height >Talent. When if you ask me. Talent> Height. When Talking about 6'11-7ft+

Definitely Agreed talent >>>> height.

But height and length helps in some areas. Every inch counts especially on defense. That's not to say smaller players can't be better defenders or better shot blockers. Theres a lot of factors. Atheltoscm, strength, instinct, skill, talent, heart etc, etc along with height and length. It all plays a part.

Here's all his blocks... There's a bunch where KP gets a finger tip on it... He'd still be a good shot blocker at 7', just not as good. A bunch of plays in general where those extra few inches helps him reach around or be extra disruptive.

Watch on YouTube

Im not saying it does not Help, what I am saying is that he is not Blocking shots at a higher clip than players shorter than him, who are better at it. You said he would not be as good if he was shorter, and I disagree with that. I posted the players as proof that height is nt the real factor here...its talent when speaking of Bigs. He could be as Equally as good @ 7ft depending on his talent. So that means the argument of putting all the eggs into the Height basket is futile in this thread in general. Thats what this all been about. 3inches...not talent, not skill. 3 inches is whats many peoples argument of what makes him a real "unicorn" vs the other players mostly.

His height is the most used point. And to me Talent should be the most used argument of finding the true difference in a bigman, not a couple of inches. I started this whole point last night with saying 7'3 is being overrated, Im not arguing his talent. I'm NOT saying that his talent is overrated. Talent has more of a solid ground, than his height to stand on. KP could be 7ft and STILL be the same exact player he is at 7'3 on offense AND defense is my point. I would view him NO different than if he was 7'3 doing it. Its to trivial of a difference to me personally.