Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[Jay10]

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just as expected, as long as MElo is around the circus will always be in town.

every post game interview will be about melo, and his teammates will have to answer those questions and when melo gets asked the question he'll smile and say something dumb.

Frank Isola and Ian Begley are going to be throwing lobs at Carmelo all season, and you know he's going to play along.

[Nazrmohamed]

while I do agree in not "caving" these negotiations are completely different than any other situation. Normally if you have a desirable asset you can negotiate with multiple teams. If Melo is unwilling to go anywhere but HOU it does indeed complicates matters.

Because as fans we can sit by and say "hey just keep him". When in reality the organization is a business and the negative media will effect the team/players if Melo does come back. So there needs to be a middle ground in terms of getting as good as value as possible and getting rid of the headache that will come with keeping Melo on the team from a media/team perspective.

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

I wouldn't worry about Melo taking away shots so much as how they take them. Quietly and under the radar Melos usage has been going down. Last year Melo averaged 22pts while KP and Rose averaged 18 a piece. To add to that, the year prior Melo averaged 21pts with a career high in assist, albeit just 4.3. Point is the very things that many critics have asked him to do, hes attempted to do like share the ball and have a lower usage.

The problem with Melo really is pace. With Melo you're almost garaunteed to be a 1990s team that takes midrange post shots as its highest tendency. Couple that with a 2 true big lineup at the 4&5 and you got a recipe for slow ball. Hardaway will get shots and so will KP but again itll be in spots we don't necessarily like at a slower pace

[Jalen Bluntson]

In no way is it ever going to be a good idea to take Ryan Anderson. Houston doesn't have enough picks to make that an acceptable trade.

If Baker/Frank are any good this team could win 40+ games. Sessions/Jack are what they are. This teams success walks hand in hand with the success of our PG rotation....not Melo. This team has lost plenty with Melo doing his thing.

Melo can stay and be 2nd/3rd option. That's what his NTC did for him. If he doesn't like it...TOO BAD! As if the media isn't going to bash this team regardless. If you're Frank Asshola, you make up unfounded drama and trash the Knicks...it's what you do. If you want to save over 20 million in cap space you don't take Ryno....it's what you do.

Melo can want Houston all he wants. They don't want him bad enough. Sucks for him. If he doesn't want to help develop the youth by taking a back seat, he needs to expand his list. Help us get value or help us develop the youth. If he's not willing to do either, welcome to the bench. It's that simple. That's on the team to decide. Is he playing the way the HC wants? Yes? Cool...do your thing. No? Cool...ride the bench.

The Knicks taking back ABSOLUTE trash to give Melo and Houston their way...while hurting this team...should not be acceptable. He's not the difference maker this year. The guard play is. Much like the last 2 decades. Now we have a couple of inexperienced guards we are trying to develop. That's going to come with plenty of losing. Melo won't change that much. Not enough to lose out in a trade.

[NYKnicks6]

Do not take on Ryan Anderson under any circumstances.

What if you can something like:
2 1sts (2020, 2022,)
2 2nds (2018, 2019)
Hartenstein
Zhou Qi
Ryan Anderson

That's 4 picks and 2 young kids. Let Anderson and Noah expire together and get 40-50 million in capspace when they do. What are we competing for the next few years?

[dakomish23]

You and others have every reason and right to be pessimistic about Melo's approach to playing this coming season. At the same time, I wonder if pessimists are so because they believe Melo is actually a malicious person. I don't think he is malicious. I do think he is egotistical, vain, greedy, and selfish-- none of which adds up to malice, although the cumulative result of those personality failings may end up the same as malice.

I am taking a more wait-and-see approach with him. I just don't see somebody who is going to *actively* undermine and disrupt the new Knicks agenda. Does that make sense?

Don't forget the imaginary undercurrent of resentment from KP towards Melo

hahaha you're joking now but wait and see what happens when not only is kristaps getting way more shots, but the final 5 minutes kristaps is the go to man, not melo.

hold off on the because melo has shown he doesn't like sharing the spotlight.

What does you scenario have to do with KP having resentment towards Melo?



On the imaginary resentment that Melo would have towards KP for being the go to guy in the clutch - he looked so heartbroken when KP hit this shot

[dakomish23]

CP3
Harden Gordon
Ariza Luc
Melo Tucker
Capella Nene

This team might have a shot at winning it all.

Still think OKC was a better fit for him in a larger deal

Westbrook Felton
Roberson Lee
PG
Melo Grant
Adams KOQ

[Jalen Bluntson]

wow, guys really slobbin Timmie's nob not that he's done anything to prove himself a 2nd option.

It's called developing your youth. Melo is what he is...a 33 year old ISO scorer who often takes bad shots. He's not a defender. He's not much of a ball mover. He can do both...he just doesn't. That's not number 1 number 2 option on a team looking to go young. He's not the focus anymore. His role should be reduced to reflect that.

Timmy and KP along with others should be the focus. Melo using his NTC to stay shouldn't change that either. The team has told him as much SEVERAL times over the last EIGHT MONTHS. If he doesn't get it that's on him. If he doesn't like it, Portland would love to have him. OKC might be interested. Houston OBVIOUSLY doesn't want him bad enough and isn't trying hard enough to get him. Oh well. Welcome to the rebuild genius.

[GONYK]

CP3
Harden Gordon
Ariza Luc
Melo Tucker
Capella Nene

This team might have a shot at winning it all.

Still think OKC was a better fit for him in a larger deal

Westbrook Felton
Roberson Lee
PG
Melo Grant
Adams KOQ

Sure, but its probably a 40% lower chance than GSW

[Jalen Bluntson]

CP3
Harden Gordon
Ariza Luc
Melo Tucker
Capella Nene

This team might have a shot at winning it all.

Still think OKC was a better fit for him in a larger deal

Westbrook Felton
Roberson Lee
PG
Melo Grant
Adams KOQ

In these lineups...you have Melo to Houston alone and Melo to OKC with Lee and KOQ. What do the Knicks get back in return to make either possible?

I do like the 2nd teams chances though. How can we get Melo to OKC?

[NYKAL]

wow, guys really slobbin Timmie's nob not that he's done anything to prove himself a 2nd option.

It's called developing your youth. Melo is what he is...a 33 year old ISO scorer who often takes bad shots. He's not a defender. He's not much of a ball mover. He can do both...he just doesn't. That's not number 1 number 2 option on a team looking to go young. He's not the focus anymore. His role should be reduced to reflect that.

Timmy and KP along with others should be the focus. Melo using his NTC to stay shouldn't change that either. The team has told him as much SEVERAL times over the last EIGHT MONTHS. If he doesn't get it that's on him. If he doesn't like it, Portland would love to have him. OKC might be interested. Houston OBVIOUSLY doesn't want him bad enough and isn't trying hard enough to get him. Oh well. Welcome to the rebuild genius.

once again, WHAT has he don't to prove himself a 2nd option...sign a big contract...lmao. Y'all refuse to answer that one ever time and chose to add a lot of words that don't change a thing. KP should be the focus this crap about Timmy being the second option is bull. He needs to prove himself worthy which he hasn't.

[dakomish23]

CP3
Harden Gordon
Ariza Luc
Melo Tucker
Capella Nene

This team might have a shot at winning it all.

Still think OKC was a better fit for him in a larger deal

Westbrook Felton
Roberson Lee
PG
Melo Grant
Adams KOQ

Sure, but its probably a 40% lower chance than GSW

That might even be too high a chance. This GSW teams is a monster

[GONYK]

wow, guys really slobbin Timmie's nob not that he's done anything to prove himself a 2nd option.

It's called developing your youth. Melo is what he is...a 33 year old ISO scorer who often takes bad shots. He's not a defender. He's not much of a ball mover. He can do both...he just doesn't. That's not number 1 number 2 option on a team looking to go young. He's not the focus anymore. His role should be reduced to reflect that.

Timmy and KP along with others should be the focus. Melo using his NTC to stay shouldn't change that either. The team has told him as much SEVERAL times over the last EIGHT MONTHS. If he doesn't get it that's on him. If he doesn't like it, Portland would love to have him. OKC might be interested. Houston OBVIOUSLY doesn't want him bad enough and isn't trying hard enough to get him. Oh well. Welcome to the rebuild genius.

once again, WHAT has he don't to prove himself a 2nd option...sign a big contract...lmao. Y'all refuse to answer that one ever time and chose to add a lot of words that don't change a thing. KP should be the focus this crap about Timmy being the second option is bull. He needs to prove himself worthy which he hasn't.

Proven or not, that is still the expectation that comes with his contract.

[Tron Carter]

Melo has never impeded KPs progress. Anyone unstinting he will has issues of their own. This isn't a pro Melo post, just a "I can't stand peeps just making shyt up" post.

KP’s rookie season he was Dad Melo and everyone was singing his praises.

Then we trade for Rose and KP doesn’t take the step forward we were all anticipating.

Coincidence?


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no, what changed and most effected KP was Rose constantly going mercenary and refusing to pass the ball. When Jennings would come in, KP would get his touches. Wasn't Melo's fault and the fact that you IGNORED all the other factors involved leads me to think that you are blinded as well.

dude, i'm agreeing with you lol

[GONYK]

while I do agree in not "caving" these negotiations are completely different than any other situation. Normally if you have a desirable asset you can negotiate with multiple teams. If Melo is unwilling to go anywhere but HOU it does indeed complicates matters.

Because as fans we can sit by and say "hey just keep him". When in reality the organization is a business and the negative media will effect the team/players if Melo does come back. So there needs to be a middle ground in terms of getting as good as value as possible and getting rid of the headache that will come with keeping Melo on the team from a media/team perspective.

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

If Melo shoots too much, sit him. He doesn't have the juice he used to.

In terms of tanking, the thought that Melo is the difference always comes across as strange to me. Melo hasn't been good enough to elevate this team in any meaningful way for 2 years now.

On top of that, people want Melo to leave with the expectation that it will give KP, Willy, and Timmy room to grow. If, in fact, those players do make leaps in Melo's absence, then we will still not be bad enough to be in the bottom 5.

So what people concerned with the tank want is for Melo to be gone, and the young guys to not develop in a way that shows up in the W column.

That is a very tough needle to thread.

[juandavidgv]

Maybe this time he's right...

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[GONYK]

Maybe this time he's right...

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I gotta admit, I love this

We need that Dan Patrick guy to make a comeback now

We're getting the band back together!

[Handledatruth]

Don't forget the imaginary undercurrent of resentment from KP towards Melo

hahaha you're joking now but wait and see what happens when not only is kristaps getting way more shots, but the final 5 minutes kristaps is the go to man, not melo.

hold off on the because melo has shown he doesn't like sharing the spotlight.

What does you scenario have to do with KP having resentment towards Melo?



On the imaginary resentment that Melo would have towards KP for being the go to guy in the clutch - he looked so heartbroken when KP hit this shot

He set a terrible screen though. He's was trying to sabotage the play.

[mpharris36]

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

If Melo shoots too much, sit him. He doesn't have the juice he used to.

In terms of tanking, the thought that Melo is the difference always comes across as strange to me. Melo hasn't been good enough to elevate this team in any meaningful way for 2 years now.

On top of that, people want Melo to leave with the expectation that it will give KP, Willy, and Timmy room to grow. If, in fact, those players do make leaps in Melo's absence, then we will still not be bad enough to be in the bottom 5.

So what people concerned with the tank want is for Melo to be gone, and the young guys to not develop in a way that shows up in the W column.

That is a very tough needle to thread.

it goes both ways because for however diminshed melo's skills are he still late in games is more trust worthy than KP/Timmy. Meaning if we are down late melo still gives us the best shot to make a big shot. But the point is you want KP/Timmy to go through the struggles being a #1 option requires...meaning. Plays drawn up for you late. The attention from the defense. All that comes with being the top dog.

Rather have KP/Timmy go through the learning curve this year. And be ready the following year to get this team to compete for a playoff spot.

Keeping Melo does prolong that as we know is KP will def take a back seat to melo. 100% regardless of if you limit melo's minutes he will still defer. And benching a healthy melo doesn't look good either.

Again I'm not promoting just taking on Anderson's deal but there are plenty of incentives to not have Melo on the roster.

It's definitely a tight rope we will have to walk across all year if Melo is on the roster...like how much do we play him. How much do the young players defer to him. I think we would all agree it would be much easier if he wasn't on the team. Just don't know whats out there in terms of a 3rd team right now.

[god shammgod]

burt steele putting the time on it again lol

[GONYK]

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

If Melo shoots too much, sit him. He doesn't have the juice he used to.

In terms of tanking, the thought that Melo is the difference always comes across as strange to me. Melo hasn't been good enough to elevate this team in any meaningful way for 2 years now.

On top of that, people want Melo to leave with the expectation that it will give KP, Willy, and Timmy room to grow. If, in fact, those players do make leaps in Melo's absence, then we will still not be bad enough to be in the bottom 5.

So what people concerned with the tank want is for Melo to be gone, and the young guys to not develop in a way that shows up in the W column.

That is a very tough needle to thread.

it goes both ways because for however diminshed melo's skills are he still late in games is more trust worthy than KP/Timmy. Meaning if we are down late melo still gives us the best shot to make a big shot. But the point is you want KP/Timmy to go through the struggles being a #1 option requires...meaning. Plays drawn up for you late. The attention from the defense. All that comes with being the top dog.

Rather have KP/Timmy go through the learning curve this year. And be ready the following year to get this team to compete for a playoff spot.

Keeping Melo does prolong that as we know is KP will def take a back seat to melo. 100% regardless of if you limit melo's minutes he will still defer. And benching a healthy melo doesn't look good either.

Again I'm not promoting just taking on Anderson's deal but there are plenty of incentives to not have Melo on the roster.

It's definitely a tight rope we will have to walk across all year if Melo is on the roster...like how much do we play him. How much do the young players defer to him. I think we would all agree it would be much easier if he wasn't on the team. Just don't know whats out there in terms of a 3rd team right now.

I'm a very strong advocate of sitting Melo for the last 3 mins of the game. All the benefits of diminished Melo, none of the downside