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Post#1341 » by NYKinMIA » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:20 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:I think all fiat is in a death spiral. There is too much existing debt for us to do anything but print our way out of it. The interest on our national debt has eclipsed our military budget and we aren't slowing down but accelerating. With talk of student debt relief, ongoing funding of Ukraine and Israel, possible reparations, and an upcoming election cycle, the opportunity for politicians to print money to gain political capital is endless. There are also pending bank failures, wallstreet bailouts, quantitative easing, potential commercial real estate collapse etc. where the fed will step in by printing more money.

As for tightening the money supply, that will disproportionately affect lower-income individuals who rely more on credit for consumption and emergencies in the short-term but may be needed for long-term stability and because inflation disproportionately affects them already. Historically, it's people who can afford investments like the S&P 500 or real estate who have on average gained at the rate our dollar was devalued. Everyone else has been getting robbed by the invisible tax of inflation. As Michael Saylor say, there is a name for people who keep their money in banks, "poor". I highly recommend reading "The Fiat Standard" by Saifedean Ammous if you are interested in this subject.

this man get's it.

could not agree more on all counts. don't forget about printing more to give to poor nations so they can turn around and buy our debt to keep them poor and suckling at the dollar teet.
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Post#1342 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:23 pm

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CharlesOakley wrote:I think all fiat is in a death spiral. There is too much existing debt for us to do anything but print our way out of it. The interest on our national debt has eclipsed our military budget and we aren't slowing down but accelerating. With talk of student debt relief, ongoing funding of Ukraine and Israel, possible reparations, and an upcoming election cycle, the opportunity for politicians to print money to gain political capital is endless. There are also pending bank failures, wallstreet bailouts, quantitative easing, potential commercial real estate collapse etc. where the fed will step in by printing more money.

As for tightening the money supply, that will disproportionately affect lower-income individuals who rely more on credit for consumption and emergencies in the short-term but may be needed for long-term stability and because inflation disproportionately affects them already. Historically, it's people who can afford investments like the S&P 500 or real estate who have on average gained at the rate our dollar was devalued. Everyone else has been getting robbed by the invisible tax of inflation. As Michael Saylor say, there is a name for people who keep their money in banks, "poor". I highly recommend reading "The Fiat Standard" by Saifedean Ammous if you are interested in this subject.

this man get's it.

could not agree more on all counts.


So are you two suggesting that we go on an austerity budget?
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Post#1343 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:24 pm

NYKinMIA wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:I think all fiat is in a death spiral. There is too much existing debt for us to do anything but print our way out of it. The interest on our national debt has eclipsed our military budget and we aren't slowing down but accelerating. With talk of student debt relief, ongoing funding of Ukraine and Israel, possible reparations, and an upcoming election cycle, the opportunity for politicians to print money to gain political capital is endless. There are also pending bank failures, wallstreet bailouts, quantitative easing, potential commercial real estate collapse etc. where the fed will step in by printing more money.

As for tightening the money supply, that will disproportionately affect lower-income individuals who rely more on credit for consumption and emergencies in the short-term but may be needed for long-term stability and because inflation disproportionately affects them already. Historically, it's people who can afford investments like the S&P 500 or real estate who have on average gained at the rate our dollar was devalued. Everyone else has been getting robbed by the invisible tax of inflation. As Michael Saylor say, there is a name for people who keep their money in banks, "poor". I highly recommend reading "The Fiat Standard" by Saifedean Ammous if you are interested in this subject.

this man get's it.

could not agree more on all counts.


So are you two suggesting that we go on an austerity budget?

Why not just tax the rich?
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Post#1344 » by NYKinMIA » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:28 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:So are you two suggesting that we go on an austerity budget?

Why not just tax the rich?

you mean tax the people that really run shyt? great idea.

I'm suggesting you park your money in appreciating assets.
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Post#1345 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:39 pm

NYKinMIA wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:So are you two suggesting that we go on an austerity budget?

Why not just tax the rich?

you mean tax the people that really run shyt? great idea.

I'm suggesting you park your money in appreciating assets.

You want to give more power to bankers? Yes, TAX THE FOOKING BILLIONAIRES. Wealth tax too. You think they give a rat’s ass about you or me? Do you actually think that they’re going to let us in their club? :lol:

Just answer the damn question. :lol:
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Post#1346 » by KOA » Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:03 am

Reducing the money supply will absolutely have short-term consequences with GDP decreasing and unemployment increasing. It is still very much needed for long-term sustainability if you want your dollars to actually still have some value.

Do you know how much you need to retire?
5 years ago, this was something you probably something you could figure out and calculate.

Austerity has a negative connotation because governments have typically only used these measures at extreme levels because they are forced to (credit goes to ****, can't borrow, and need to increase taxes and reduce spending to improve their financial position).

Just like monetary policy and reducing or increase rates happens gradually, reducing the money supply and reducing spending will need to happen over time in order to avoid blowing up the system. Still politics will never allow for it.
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Post#1347 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:59 am

There is something called "the rule of 72" which helps to understand inflation better. If you take an annual inflation rate and divide 72 by that percentage you get an approximation of how long it takes for the value of your money to get cut in half.

If you trust that the government is giving us honest statistics and we have a 3% rate of inflation, the value of your money is cut in half every 24 years. They want to bleed you at a rate where you just don't notice.

The history of fiat currency is a history of collapse. https://ginifoundation.org/kb/fiat-currency-graveyard-a-history-of-monetary-folly/ The only real solution is to have a currency backed by hard assets.
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Post#1348 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:20 am

CharlesOakley wrote:There is something called "the rule of 72" which helps to understand inflation better. If you take an annual inflation rate and divide 72 by that percentage you get an approximation of how long it takes for the value of your money to get cut in half.

If you trust that the government is giving us honest statistics and we have a 3% rate of inflation, the value of your money is cut in half every 24 years. They want to bleed you at a rate where you just don't notice.

The history of fiat currency is a history of collapse. https://ginifoundation.org/kb/fiat-currency-graveyard-a-history-of-monetary-folly/ The only real solution is to have a currency backed by hard assets.


Thanks. I appreciate the information. I’ll take a look at it.

I’ll be back.
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Post#1349 » by NYKinMIA » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:42 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:So are you two suggesting that we go on an austerity budget?

Why not just tax the rich?

you mean tax the people that really run shyt? great idea.

I'm suggesting you park your money in appreciating assets.

You want to give more power to bankers? Yes, TAX THE FOOKING BILLIONAIRES. Wealth tax too. You think they give a rat’s ass about you or me? Do you actually think that they’re going to let us in their club? :lol:

Just answer the damn question. :lol:

I did answer man. By all means, tax all the fuqing billionaires! good luck trying to implement that.

you should know by now I was being facetious ffs :lol:
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Post#1350 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:30 pm

NYKinMIA wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:you mean tax the people that really run shyt? great idea.

I'm suggesting you park your money in appreciating assets.

You want to give more power to bankers? Yes, TAX THE FOOKING BILLIONAIRES. Wealth tax too. You think they give a rat’s ass about you or me? Do you actually think that they’re going to let us in their club? :lol:

Just answer the damn question. :lol:

I did answer man. By all means, tax all the fuqing billionaires! good luck trying to implement that.

you should know by now I was being facetious ffs :lol:


How would I know? I’m a newbie to all this stuff. So, you’re saying you agree with me? :lol:
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Post#1351 » by RHODEY » Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:39 am

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Post#1354 » by NYKinMIA » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:33 pm

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more bullish than ever :nod:
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Post#1355 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:26 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:So are you two suggesting that we go on an austerity budget?

Why not just tax the rich?

you mean tax the people that really run shyt? great idea.

I'm suggesting you park your money in appreciating assets.

You want to give more power to bankers? Yes, TAX THE FOOKING BILLIONAIRES. Wealth tax too. You think they give a rat’s ass about you or me? Do you actually think that they’re going to let us in their club? :lol:

Just answer the damn question. :lol:


American billionaires hold around $6 trillion in wealth. US national debt is over $35 trillion but even worse, our total US unfunded liabilities is almost $218 trillion. Income tax revenue is around $2.3 trillion a year. Even if we confiscated 100% of the billionaire wealth in this country it would not make a dent in the problem. Taxes do very little to fund our nation, inflation is what pays the bills.

See for yourself (https://usdebtclock.org/)

The only real solution is for the US to back the dollar by a hard asset (gold or bitcoin). If you aren't actively collecting bitcoin or gold (self-custody), you are vulnerable to financial slaughter.

(Borrowing from Michael Saylor) You might spend 40,000 hours earning capital over the course of your lifetime. You should at least spend 100 hours understanding how to keep it. This is the best introduction to bitcoin I have come across (). It has parts that look at BTC from various religious angles which you can take or leave but the fundamentals are spot on.
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Post#1356 » by Stannis » Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:01 pm

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Post#1357 » by RHODEY » Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:25 pm

NYKinMIA wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
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more bullish than ever :nod:


Now if they can just get off Richard Heart's back I will be completely happy.
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Post#1358 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:34 pm

Here is a spreadsheet that demonstrates how one could buy and hold a full BTC today to generate free cash flow perpetually with relatively low risk. You can view the spreadsheet here: GOOGLE SHEET.

I've based my assumptions on over 15 years of market study and insights from more knowledgeable bitcoiners than myself. For those new to the space, Bitcoin has historically moved in four-year cycles, with three good years for every bad one. Bitcoin has grown over the last 14 years into a trillion dollar asset class and is about to surpass the total market value of silver. As more capital enters the market, we should expect a decrease in volatility over time in both gains and drawdowns. The projected gains and losses in my model reflect this trend, aligning with Michael Saylor's base case, as he described at the most recent Bitcoin conference.

Please note that I'm fully "orange-pilled", therefore this cannot be financial advice or a prediction, but rather a projection based on my extensive research. I expect the price of bitcoin to be more chaotic than I describe but this still serves as a strong model to understand the concepts and potential. I've used a high-interest rate (10%) on all borrowed debt to be cautious of relying on favorable short-term loans.

For clarity:

  • "LTV" stands for loan-to-value ratio, indicating the risk level. The maximum LTV shown is 12.3%, meaning the risk of liquidation occurs only if there's more than an 85% drop in Bitcoin's value.
  • "FCF" stands for free cash flow, representing the difference between the loan amount and the total interest due. This is not taxable.

The spreadsheet shows that with the ownership of one Bitcoin, you could generate $440K in non-taxable income (since debt isn't taxed) over the next 19 years without selling the underlying asset, reinvesting the free cash flow or incurring capital gains tax.

This strategy is the 'billionaire playbook.' For example, Elon Musk acquired Twitter using debt, leveraging his Tesla shares as collateral. Instead of taking a traditional salary, Musk is compensated primarily through stock options. This approach enables him to generate income while minimizing taxable income, as he does not incur significant income tax liabilities.
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Post#1359 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:57 pm

NYKinMIA wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:Image


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:lol:

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more bullish than ever :nod:

I guess there's money to be made speculating and trading, but they absolutely are securities and will all eventually be worthless. Only Bitcoin meets the true criteria of a commodity.
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Post#1360 » by RHODEY » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:00 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
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:lol:

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more bullish than ever :nod:

I guess there's money to be made speculating and trading, but they absolutely are securities and will all eventually be worthless. Only Bitcoin meets the true criteria of a commodity.

Is that you Gary? Your days are numbered. :lol:

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