Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[DaGawd]

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we are waiting!!!

This niqqa must’ve found Phil’s peyote stash he left behind in the office

[thebuzzardman]

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we are waiting!!!

Translation: "Grimes, you brought joy to that kid in the 3rd row at the SL game, but now we are shipping your ass off to Utah so my beloved Evan Fournier can stay on the team"

[thebuzzardman]

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we are waiting!!!

This niqqa must’ve found Phil’s peyote stash he left behind in the office

Aller walks in and Scott Perry is levitating 3 feet above his desk, in the lotus position, chanting "The crux of the universe is power forward, who brings forward the power, which powers forward progress, leading to the progression of forward thinking"

[KnixinSix]

Super interesting pairing Donovan with Thibs' defensive schemes.

You are not going to have that high a defensive rating your first 2 years in the NBA no less, and simply lose that ability entirely. Thibs should get him back to focusing on D.

NBADraft.net 2015

… Probably the most appealing part of Mitchell’s game lies on the defensive end … By the end of his second year at Louisville, he established himself as a multi-positional stopper who a coach can put on point guards, shooting guards and even some small forwards

… Mitchell has outstanding physical tools to be a lockdown defender, with his elite length, strong frame and quick feet … Mitchell is also a highly competitive guy who is willing to pressure full court, dive to the floor for loose balls, and consistently make things difficult for opposing players … Mitchell has terrific instincts off the ball, as shown by his 2.6 steals per-40) … Despite being short for the average two-guard, his 6’10” wingspan is difficult for opposing guards to shoot over, and he does an exemplary job of using his quickness and strength to stay in front of his man …

The ability is there and with multiple potential quality secondary scorers on the team in RJ, Randle and Brunson (and maybe even to a lesser extent Obi,IQ if they remain) he can focus more on D in a Thibs system.

[iLLmatic860]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

[delvec19]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

Ainge waiting for Riley to find more 1st rounders

[thebuzzardman]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

Ainge waiting for Riley to find more 1st rounders

Probably

[DaGawd]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

Knew it. Might really have to wait this out

[thebuzzardman]

If that Woj story is true, that I'm going to will myself to stay out of this thread, even there's no other talk going on.

Even if the trade happens, two more weeks of this is too much.
And if it doesn't, not willing to do a repeat of the LeBron speculation.
I'll give it a day to see if Woj changes the story, but if not, reducing my posts in here.

[Chanel Bomber]

Thibs worries me because he's not offensively creative, but it's probably also overstated. We are going to find out.
Because, it's possible he puts RJ in the corner, where he's decent (I think) and that's it.

I guess in the above scenario Randle is at the 3 point elbows and hopefully Thibs is aware that it is allowed to have someone besides the 5 set the pick in the P&R.

Randle is already getting paid so maybe that helps but he's displayed a large ego so far.
RJ would be pushing to get paid, so not sure. I think his temperament is winning first, but $ does stuff to people.

Randle will get paid in the same ballpark as Brunson, who I believe is the better player. It could impact the way they perceive their roles (particularly Randle). I think it would be naive to think that the hopes of a large extension didn't factor at all in RJ's 20ppg chase. I don't blame him as much as the organization for enabling it. I think it was negligence on their part.

It's just a statistical observation: RJ was the worst volume shooter from the corners in the NBA last year according to Kirk Goldsberry. He was really good from the corners the year before (2020-21) so hopefully this past season was an anomaly and not a regression to the mean.

I agree that Randle should be used as the roll man more often. Hopefully we see more of it with Hartenstein on the court. The Knicks usually got good shots with the Rose-Randle PNR in 2020-21, especially with Taj on the court to give a little more spacing.

PS: Corrected my post as I erroneously said Brunson would get paid more than Randle.

Not sure about the Randle/Brunson money conundrum but it's quite possible. It's all speculation on our part. When the Knicks had their "good year", Randle was clearly paid on one level and everyone else, outside the young guys, was kind of the same. It's fair to point it out because I remember posting about how it may have contributed to team success.

I'm not that worried about RJ - I think he'll be fine, certainly not worst, and I guess he could go to the other elbow and Brunson to the corner in some sets to mitigate it a bit, but RJ will have to at least average from there. Here's where retaining Fournier or Grimes would help. Think it would be a mistake to let both go.

Any stats on the Knicks P&R rate? They certainly use it, but feels like less than other teams.

I think because they are playmakers and ball-handlers, Brunson and Mitchell would operate from the top of the key and the wings (alternatively), and Randle and RJ would be camped closer to the corners. Randle does love his baseline jumper, which would put RJ as the lone pure corner shooter. Again, the results have been so extreme in the last two seasons for RJ in terms of shooting from the corners (very good and then horrible) that it's honestly hard to predict how he will fare next season. Just above-average would certainly help, as you said.

Good point about the contracts structure last year. It certainly put the other players in a more deferential position.

Perhaps somebody can bring up numbers that contradict mine, but the Knicks ranked 5th in the pick-and-roll ball handler playtype frequency at 19.8% (21.5 possessions per game), and 26th in the pick-and-roll roll man playtype at 4.9%. I am admittedly not 100% confident in this interpretation, but I think it corroborates the eye test that the Knicks often used a pick for drives or pull-ups, and used the PNR often but rarely for the screener to roll to the rim.

[Madskillzz024]

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[will34]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

He say this on the radio?

[nyknicks8016]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

Ainge waiting for Riley to find more 1st rounders

Ainge hates Riley, Woj also said Knicks are motivated to get deal done they just dont want throw every asset into the deal..

[mpharris36]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

Knew it. Might really have to wait this out

To be fair wasn't Woj totally out of the loop on the Harden trade?

He kept saying they aren't talking when Windhorst said it was going to get done.

[iLLmatic860]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

He say this on the radio?

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[Clyde_Style]

TRADE PREDICTION: Buzz takes up grout cleaning as a side hustle

[thebuzzardman]

TRADE PREDICTION: Buzz takes up grout cleaning as a side hustle

I'm grout

[KnicksGadfly]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

Ainge waiting for Riley to find more 1st rounders

Oh, his Orlando leak wasn’t working?

If Riley gets more 1sts, he’s going after KD…and I can’t blame him.

[nyknicks8016]

2 things, 1 Woj when he is not reporting a done deal, is jist a mouthpiece and outs out there what he needs to for the team feeding him info..

2nd Miami doesnt have the cap filler or the picks, so even say they trade Herro for 2 1sts, who are they using to match cap?

[iLLmatic860]

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Hahn going off on lolknicks media lol