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Post#1341 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:57 am

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Capn'O wrote:Having SGA and Giannis on the same team would just be rude.

Plus Chet and JDub? Sheesh.


It's the only trade that truly makes sense for the Bucks to do, and also for Giannis to agree to.

Nets and Jazz have picks but Giannis would have to carry both franchises, which I doubt he would want to do. I feel like Milwaukee would want to do right by Giannis, and likewise Giannis for Milwaukee.

Spurs have picks, but I don't know how badly Giannis would really want to team up with Wemby.

Giannis with Chet, Jdub, and SGA is a perfect fit. However, Thunder may be trying to win it all this year without Giannis. They may wait until next offseason to trade for Giannis if it becomes clear that they need one more piece.


Giannis is available? News to me. You make sense but, are they gonna blow it all up this year and fire the HC?
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Post#1342 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:07 am

I think the Bucks would have to crater for it to happen in season and it looks like they're strengthening.
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Post#1343 » by Buttah304 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:34 am

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Post#1344 » by ctorres » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:45 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Giannis is available? News to me. You make sense but, are they gonna blow it all up this year and fire the HC?


I don't think he is available. A package of a dozen 1st round picks though could make any NBA player available though. At most you've seen a combination of 8 picks and swaps be traded for a player. Giannis, Doncic, Jokic, and Wemby are the short list of players you could see a historic number of picks traded for them if they ever did get traded. Just those 4 guys IMO.

I think Milwaukee has to get really lucky with matchups in the playoffs. They could upset Orlando and maybe Cleveland. Boston and New York would have to be derailed by injuries for Milwaukee to stand a chance.

They don't have a lot around Giannis and Dame. Portis and Lopez are "good". Middleton is working his way back from injury and we don't know if he'll get back to starter level. What else do they really got?

Dame hasn't advanced past the 1st round of the playoffs since 2019, and he has only done it three times in his career. Can he defy the odds and do it at age 34?
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Post#1346 » by The KnicksFix » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:09 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:Showing your true colors with your insults as usual. Very immature for such an old man. :lol: just glad you won't be quoting me again. Mission accomplished 8-)

This isn’t worth it guys. I’ve said often enough that I actually like Randle‘s demeanor, just not the ball-stopping player. Your hero really isn’t all that, Melo. This Knicks team is fun, they may even make a lot of noise in the playoffs. There is still room aboard this ship…

It's just my opinion, you guys shouldn't take it so personal. I'm good over here. I'm not calling you guys names like you are to me. I just firmly believe if we stayed on course with we had last year we would be a championship contender. I've been seeing more people on Knicks twitter echo those statements as well. That team had an identity. This new team hasn't proved me wrong at all. I thought we were turning a corner with that Denver win but it turns out Denver is just as bad as us and that's why we looked so good. So it is what it is. I don't really see anything fun with this team cause our defense sucks, no one can really create besides Brunson and he himself is struggling to be the lead facilitator with Randle gone. And now we got guys like Trae disrespecting us with no one doing anything. It's a soft team. We only celebrate blow out wins against awful teams. That's all we have. Again this is just my opinion, I can be wrong about everything and we win it all. But you guys shouldn't take it so personal and start calling me names and stuff like that. It's just basketball talk.


Though I agree with you on the front that last year’s team had an identity Melo, I dont think that would have been enough to win a ring. For instance, that team really started to click when Julius and Mitch went down, opening up spots and time for ihart, Deuce and Divo. But that team from last year (post January) without Julius, (and even with Julius as a matter of fact) was not going to beat the buzz saw that was Boston. In a perfect world, the lineup would have been Brunson, divo, OG, hart, ihart with a bench of deuce, precious and sims off the bench was not enough to win a ring, and certainly not enough to outscore them.

There was no way we could have realistically stayed the course, as you said, with the team from last year. Ihart was gone, and that was not due to any fault of our own, but rather due to CBA league rules. We had to make up for his rebounding some way, and at the end of the season, Julius was due for a new contract. Would you have paid Julius Randle now 30+ years and post shoulder injury a max contract at the end of the season? (He was not going to give NY a hometown discount the way Brunson did)… Or would you have flipped him for something to remain competitive, the way we got KAT for him?

I agree with you, that team had an identity, but the goal each year is to win a ring, there was no way we could have beat Boston last year. Defense is one thing, they would have held their own against Boston, but scoring has to come from somewhere as well, and there’s only so much Brunson could have done alone with divo, and that’s including with and without Julius.
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Post#1347 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:11 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Jesus H Christ! Is this BS gonna drag on all year? Make a separate thread for the Randle blow job posts so that people who want to discuss what's going on around the NBA or anything else, don't have to read pages of BS about a loser who doesn't play here anymore because we replaced him with a much better player!! Aggo ends up the casualty in all of this BS? RIDICULOUS!

Should maybe have a Former Knicks pinned thread, like the Raptors board has for former players. Although that doesn't stop FVV, Siakam and OG arguments popping up in other threads
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Post#1348 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:35 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:This isn’t worth it guys. I’ve said often enough that I actually like Randle‘s demeanor, just not the ball-stopping player. Your hero really isn’t all that, Melo. This Knicks team is fun, they may even make a lot of noise in the playoffs. There is still room aboard this ship…

It's just my opinion, you guys shouldn't take it so personal. I'm good over here. I'm not calling you guys names like you are to me. I just firmly believe if we stayed on course with we had last year we would be a championship contender. I've been seeing more people on Knicks twitter echo those statements as well. That team had an identity. This new team hasn't proved me wrong at all. I thought we were turning a corner with that Denver win but it turns out Denver is just as bad as us and that's why we looked so good. So it is what it is. I don't really see anything fun with this team cause our defense sucks, no one can really create besides Brunson and he himself is struggling to be the lead facilitator with Randle gone. And now we got guys like Trae disrespecting us with no one doing anything. It's a soft team. We only celebrate blow out wins against awful teams. That's all we have. Again this is just my opinion, I can be wrong about everything and we win it all. But you guys shouldn't take it so personal and start calling me names and stuff like that. It's just basketball talk.


Though I agree with you on the front that last year’s team had an identity Melo, I dont think that would have been enough to win a ring. For instance, that team really started to click when Julius and Mitch went down, opening up spots and time for ihart, Deuce and Divo. But that team from last year (post January) without Julius, (and even with Julius as a matter of fact) was not going to beat the buzz saw that was Boston. In a perfect world, the lineup would have been Brunson, divo, OG, hart, ihart with a bench of deuce, precious and sims off the bench was not enough to win a ring, and certainly not enough to outscore them.

There was no way we could have realistically stayed the course, as you said, with the team from last year. Ihart was gone, and that was not due to any fault of our own, but rather due to CBA league rules. We had to make up for his rebounding some way, and at the end of the season, Julius was due for a new contract. Would you have paid Julius Randle now 30+ years and post shoulder injury a max contract at the end of the season? (He was not going to give NY a hometown discount the way Brunson did)… Or would you have flipped him for something to remain competitive, the way we got KAT for him?

I agree with you, that team had an identity, but the goal each year is to win a ring, there was no way we could have beat Boston last year. Defense is one thing, they would have held their own against Boston, but scoring has to come from somewhere as well, and there’s only so much Brunson could have done alone with divo, and that’s including with and without Julius.

Tough to say we would’ve won a ring, but I just know that was the best basketball I’ve seen from the Knicks in over a decade. I thought that was our closest team to winning it all. We were really dominant on both ends which is rare for us as Knicks fans :lol: I think an underrated aspect is that Brunson and Randle were getting a lot better together too due to continuity. That month was the only month I ever felt like we had a shot to do something special in a super long time.

I know we couldn’t have kept ihart which definitely sucks. I would’ve traded for a good rim protector and ran it back.

I’ve been open to trading Randle for someone like Giannis/Embiid if they became available. Or someone of that caliber.

I think this Knicks team is okay. But i feel like something major has to change in order for us to get to contender status imo.
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Post#1349 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:38 pm

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Post#1350 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:19 pm

Capn'O wrote:I think the Bucks would have to crater for it to happen in season and it looks like they're strengthening.


Bucks seem to be figuring it out. Another annoying obstacle :banghead:
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Post#1351 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:19 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:This is crazy cause I used to see him at pro league games and I never knew who he was. Rip
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WTF

What happened to him???
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Post#1352 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:53 pm

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WTF

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Post#1353 » by BKlutch » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:17 pm

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Post#1354 » by BKlutch » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:28 pm

Sad news for Brooklyn Nets fans.

It was posted on on Nets Instagram that long time super fan, Bruce Reznick a/k/a "Mr. Whammy" has decided to leave the team and will root for either OKC or Cleveland. Nets fans can mourn not only the loss of one of the smartest and most loyal fans in team history but also the loss of integrity and direction from ownership.

Joe Tsai did not comment on this, but he may have been just too busy studying how to support the genocide in western China. Statements from his wife disparaging Mr. Whammy are legion and though to have played a significant part in this decision.
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Post#1355 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:56 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:This is crazy cause I used to see him at pro league games and I never knew who he was. Rip
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WTF

What happened to him???



Killed himself on his ex wife's birthday.
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Post#1356 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:58 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:This is crazy cause I used to see him at pro league games and I never knew who he was. Rip
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WTF

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Killed himself on his ex wife's birthday.


Damn man :(
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Post#1357 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:01 pm

BKlutch wrote:Sad news for Brooklyn Nets fans.

It was posted on on Nets Instagram that long time super fan, Bruce Reznick a/k/a "Mr. Whammy" has decided to leave the team and will root for either OKC or Cleveland. Nets fans can mourn not only the loss of one of the smartest and most loyal fans in team history but also the loss of integrity and direction from ownership.

Joe Tsai did not comment on this, but he may have been just too busy studying how to support the genocide in western China. Statements from his wife disparaging Mr. Whammy are legion and though to have played a significant part in this decision.


Dude i thought this was going to be a death announcement :( whew.

Mr. Reznik was mistreated by that organization just as they did to many former New Jersey fans who have since left.

Let them rot. They are finished in this region
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Post#1358 » by BKlutch » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:41 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
BKlutch wrote:Sad news for Brooklyn Nets fans.

It was posted on on Nets Instagram that long time super fan, Bruce Reznick a/k/a "Mr. Whammy" has decided to leave the team and will root for either OKC or Cleveland. Nets fans can mourn not only the loss of one of the smartest and most loyal fans in team history but also the loss of integrity and direction from ownership.

Joe Tsai did not comment on this, but he may have been just too busy studying how to support the genocide in western China. Statements from his wife disparaging Mr. Whammy are legion and though to have played a significant part in this decision.


Dude i thought this was going to be a death announcement :( whew.

Mr. Reznik was mistreated by that organization just as they did to many former New Jersey fans who have since left.

Let them rot. They are finished in this region

Sorry, I thought I made it clear it was only sad for Nets fans, if there are any. This man is personally training Kendrick Perkins' son, Kenxton, and doing a great job of it. He offered to mentor Ryan Arcidiaccono, but that guy is a flake and refused -- his basketball IQ, as low as it is, is still higher than his mental IQ.

They mistreated Whammy more than most fans by specifically insulting him by denying him access to events he should have been included in. Anyway, maybe this is actually RIP Nets. Unless they can rise from the dead, they're cooked. Fini! Done!

I should also mention that my friend who gave up his season's tickets over a year ago has now decided not to even follow their games at all and is totally a Knicks fan. So I may be losing my source of inside info about them, unless he hears more on Perkins' podcast or he keeps up his phone relationship with their ticket agent. LOL
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Post#1359 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:55 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:I know we couldn’t have kept ihart which definitely sucks. I would’ve traded for a good rim protector and ran it back.


I think you really underestimate iHart's value to what we did last year. Again, of players who played substantial minutes he was 1st in WS/48 and second in WS and BPM. He was one of our best players. This year, he's made the Thunder better (net on/off shows this, and the baseline was already incredible for the Thunder) with just him coming back AND Holmgren going down. This bears repeating. He replaced an all star level player for the Thunder and they haven't missed a beat. We would have had to have moved Randle for a replacement of similar value. Maybe not 1 for 1 but it wasn't happening with Donte or Deuce alone, for example. And if you move Randle you're not running it back. There was no running it back without iHart.

I was pretty keen on that route myself over the summer and I think our one chance to strike on an undervalued player for the C spot was Goga but we didn't seem to be interested. Now he's out there smokin' it for the Magic and even they don't seem to realize what they have. We poked around on Richards/Kessler and our opponents weren't interested in our potpourri offers. Especially with Kessler, and he doesn't provide the passing that iHart does. It would have been a bootleg version and I'm not fully convinced he's that much better than what Mitch will ultimately provide, health willing. Then guys like Capela but that involves a bigger sort of deal and **** trading Randle for that guy. That all being said, I take iHart over all of those guys for the myriad of ways he helps an offense.

On top of that - January was great but teams eventually get scooped. That team had great chemistry but wasn't talented enough to keep up that kind of pace.


We need another big and maybe it's Mitch and maybe it isn't. As I've been saying in the T&T thread, I think Sharpe could provide a watered down version of what iHart gave us but that contract we gave iHart was a coup and you can't always find that. He's really good.
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Post#1360 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:00 pm

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BKlutch wrote:Sad news for Brooklyn Nets fans.

It was posted on on Nets Instagram that long time super fan, Bruce Reznick a/k/a "Mr. Whammy" has decided to leave the team and will root for either OKC or Cleveland. Nets fans can mourn not only the loss of one of the smartest and most loyal fans in team history but also the loss of integrity and direction from ownership.

Joe Tsai did not comment on this, but he may have been just too busy studying how to support the genocide in western China. Statements from his wife disparaging Mr. Whammy are legion and though to have played a significant part in this decision.


Dude i thought this was going to be a death announcement :( whew.

Mr. Reznik was mistreated by that organization just as they did to many former New Jersey fans who have since left.

Let them rot. They are finished in this region

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