July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[god shammgod]

supposedly he doesn't get along with hornacek. so maybe it wouldn't cost too much. i don't know. i wonder if phil would do it. the only guy who got a long deal was lopez. he seems to be maintaining flexibility for 2 summers from now.

KOQ got a long term deal. I also think he doesn't want to stunt Porzingis growth.

Ideally we would want to keep that $$$ available to either sign a lead guard like Conley next offseason or throw a huge deal at Beal (i don't you get him RFA)

that's true. but his deal is real cheap. i just think that no matter what people think about how he's built the team this summer, he'll still want money in the future to chase the big time free agents. and you'll need more because salaries will rise.

also, what are we trading ? it just doesn't seem likely.

[And100]

Ledo is already under contract. Partial guarantee minimum deal.

My point is they may have to decline their option and pay him the partial guarantee.

In a deal as such, he'd be included in the deal. Why would he be cut otherwise?

Let's take this one step at a time.

In order to take advantage of the 150% rule allowing you to go over the cap, you have to use all your cap space FIRST.

So, Lopez, Afflalo, Williams and O'Quinn would have to be signed FIRST before a trade is made, or Lee's extra incoming $5m goes against the cap.

I'm not certain the Knicks CAN sign all four of those guys to their reported figures while keeping Ledo's full contract on the cap.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Im happy with our signing but this quote from Lowe's piece today is precisely why I hate not getting team options on Williams' or Afflalo's deals:

"If you’re going to wager on uncertain upside, make sure you sign the guy for long enough that you actually reap the upside."

I see the point on Williams deal and agree, but I think Affalo was the right contract. He's 29 so I think it was a good call to get him on a short deal and think its a fair contract. I don't mind the player option for him because even if he opts in he will be very tradeable. Not sure about Williams though.

I do like that we have Lopez and O'Quinn to longer deals and think they are good value.

[Blue Ninja]

My point is they may have to decline their option and pay him the partial guarantee.

In a deal as such, he'd be included in the deal. Why would he be cut otherwise?

Let's take this one step at a time.

In order to take advantage of the 150% rule allowing you to go over the cap, you have to use all your cap space FIRST.

So, Lopez, Afflalo, Williams and O'Quinn would have to be signed FIRST before a trade is made, or Lee's extra incoming $5m goes against the cap.

I'm not certain the Knicks CAN sign all four of those guys to their reported figures while keeping Ledo's full contract on the cap.

Probably can since there's been no talk of him being cut.

[Workforce250]

Also keep in mind, that the agents have multiple clients. Sometimes a GM does a favor signing for a push toward a bigger prize.
We really don't know what Mills reasoning was but I'm confident it was well thought out, like all the rest of these good signings.

Re:DWill

[moocow007]

I'd really like McRoberts here. He's a good fit next to Melo and he's on a very cap-friendly contract going forward. Zach Lowe said today that him and Chalmers might be available for next to nothing because Arison wants to avoid the tax line. If we can somehow convince the Cavs to take Calderon for Haywood and then flip him to the Heat and maybe give them a 2nd rounder or 2 for Chalmers and McBob that would be a great ending to free agency.

Chalmers/Grant/Galloway
Afflalo/Grant/Galloway
Melo/Williams/Early
McBob/O'Quinn/Williams
Lopez/O'Quinn/Aldrich

If that's all it takes and the Heat is just looking to shed salary might as well take both Chalmers and McBob.

Birdman also would be good...of course.

[mpharris36]

supposedly he doesn't get along with hornacek. so maybe it wouldn't cost too much. i don't know. i wonder if phil would do it. the only guy who got a long deal was lopez. he seems to be maintaining flexibility for 2 summers from now.

KOQ got a long term deal. I also think he doesn't want to stunt Porzingis growth.

Ideally we would want to keep that $$$ available to either sign a lead guard like Conley next offseason or throw a huge deal at Beal (i don't you get him RFA)

that's true. but his deal is real cheap. i just think that no matter what people think about how he's built the team this summer, he'll still want money in the future to chase the big time free agents. and you'll need more because salaries will rise.

also, what are we trading ? it just doesn't seem likely.

No I agree, I think he always kept in mind to add that second max player with Melo. We just need to get good before that happens. If we jump up to 40 win or so next year like Milwaukee did we will be more enticing to available FA"s.

If Afflalo and Williams opt out which is likely you will have max cap room. I think that was the idea. Build a base, but leave enough room to get a big guy to come play with Melo and hopefully you see some signs of KP.

[BowlRips]

KOQ got a long term deal. I also think he doesn't want to stunt Porzingis growth.

Ideally we would want to keep that $$$ available to either sign a lead guard like Conley next offseason or throw a huge deal at Beal (i don't you get him RFA)

that's true. but his deal is real cheap. i just think that no matter what people think about how he's built the team this summer, he'll still want money in the future to chase the big time free agents. and you'll need more because salaries will rise.

also, what are we trading ? it just doesn't seem likely.

No I agree, I think he always kept in mind to add that second max player with Melo. We just need to get good before that happens. If we jump up to 40 win or so next year like Milwaukee did we will be more enticing to available FA"s.

If Afflalo and Williams opt out which is likely you will have max cap room. I think that was the idea. Build a base, but leave enough room to get a big guy to come play with Melo and hopefully you see some signs of KP.

i think thats clear what Phils plan is..
Phil thought he could build that base last year with our guys.. but unfortunately they were all incompentant 1 dimensional players with the inability to grasp the concept of team basketball.
Build the base this year.. be competitive and then go back to market with "we have a team, now we need you to help us go over the top"

[Fury]

If Afflalo opts out,we don't have his birds rights do we

[K_ick_God]

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Spurs now a little overrated. Main guys could be too old to get it done but they are a complete team -- just not prime except three guys (LMA, Green, Leonard). Warriors are better, just as deep, much, much younger.

[Bklyn&company]

No assets? Three team deal? Pho, GSW and NY?

It would be nice to have him Morris on the Knicks... but our own Kristaps needs minutes and I will rather Kristap play...

BTW:
The DWill deal still sucks, he should have gotten no more $3 mil per not $5 mil...

With no picks, and not much assets for trades, we need to sign our youth and play them.. that's how you build assets and long term team success. Thanasis, Ledo, Shved all need to be on the team. JGrant, Kristaps, OQuinn, Gallo all need to play heavy minutes whether we are loosing or winning.

[digitaldropoff]

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Spurs now a little overrated. Main guys could be too old to get it done but they are a complete team -- just not prime except three guys (LMA, Green, Leonard). Warriors are better, just as deep, much, much younger.

Come on dude....of the three prime guys, two are arguably top 3 or 5 at their position, and Green isn't a slouch either. Couple that with awesome coaching, and quality vets that know how to win.....and it's literally impossible to be overrated. They've been the class of the league for over a decade, just because they keep hustling the right way doesn't mean they should get hate. Nothing is a lock in the West, GS, Dallas, OKC, and the Spurs will all have to fight it out, but they are one of the best ran organizations in sports, and they deserved to be hyped coming into this year.

[waya]

A healthy Spurs team would have slapped the sh*t out of the Warriors

[sol537]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

[IllmaticHandler]

Green, Leonard, and Aldridge alone is a good squad. Add in timmy, parker and coaching of Pop, they are FAR from overrated. They have enough youth and vets to win it all.

[LJ4pointplay]

If Afflalo opts out,we don't have his birds rights do we

i believe this is correct. We should have his non-bird rights that will allow us to sign him to 120% of his previous salary. However, his cap hold is probably in that ballpark so really doesn't do much for us, unless we somehow end up over the cap next off-season- which is near impossible.

[Fury]

If Afflalo opts out,we don't have his birds rights do we

i believe this is correct. We should have his non-bird rights that will allow us to sign him to 120% of his previous salary. However, his cap hold is probably in that ballpark so really doesn't do much for us, unless we somehow end up over the cap next off-season- which is near impossible.

His cap hold would be about 10 million?

[And100]

Green, Leonard, and Aldridge alone is a good squad. Add in timmy, parker and coaching of Pop, they are FAR from overrated. They have enough youth and vets to win it all.

They WILL be a good squad. But I don't see them as being so dominating you automatically pick them to win 3 seven games series in a deep West.

Favorite to come out of the West? Okay, maybe.

Lock to come out of the West? Not even close.

[IllmaticHandler]

Green, Leonard, and Aldridge alone is a good squad. Add in timmy, parker and coaching of Pop, they are FAR from overrated. They have enough youth and vets to win it all.

They WILL be a good squad. But I don't see them as being so dominating you automatically pick them to win 3 seven games series in a deep West.

Favorite to come out of the West? Okay, maybe.

Lock to come out of the West? Not even close.

That goes for any team. The warriors are not a lock to even come out. This team CAN win it all... WILL they do it, remains to be seen.

[LJ4pointplay]

If Afflalo opts out,we don't have his birds rights do we

i believe this is correct. We should have his non-bird rights that will allow us to sign him to 120% of his previous salary. However, his cap hold is probably in that ballpark so really doesn't do much for us, unless we somehow end up over the cap next off-season- which is near impossible.

His cap hold would be about 10 million?

a quick look at Coon FAQ 38 seems to mean that his cap hold is exactly that. Maybe someone else can verify that.