July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[And100]

i believe this is correct. We should have his non-bird rights that will allow us to sign him to 120% of his previous salary. However, his cap hold is probably in that ballpark so really doesn't do much for us, unless we somehow end up over the cap next off-season- which is near impossible.

His cap hold would be about 10 million?

a quick look at Coon FAQ 38 seems to mean that his cap hold is exactly that. Maybe someone else can verify that.

I believe his cap hold IS his 2016-17 salary until he exercises his opt-out no?

[GetItDone]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

[LJ4pointplay]

His cap hold would be about 10 million?

a quick look at Coon FAQ 38 seems to mean that his cap hold is exactly that. Maybe someone else can verify that.

I believe his cap hold IS his 2016-17 salary until he exercises his opt-out no?

Maybe.. I don't really follow his chart/explanation.

[LJ4pointplay]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

I know it isn't your point, but Lopez isn't a stop gap. We just gave him starter money for four seasons. We should be operating under the assumption that he is our starting center for the next half decade.

[And100]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

Few to any teams acquire a bunch of young players at one time and throw out a line-up made up of all 20-something players. Golden States Curry-Thompson-Green comes closest.

And it can't hurt the development of players like Porzingis, Grant and Galloway to play decent basketball while they are "developing."

Knicks acquired two extra draft picks. They have a couple of stashed players thy hope will become something. There are very few free agents in their early 20s.

What alternative plan are you advocating?

[DaGawd]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

Robin Lopez is only 27. He's a defensive big and doesnt really rely on athleticism. He should be effective until well into his 30s

[Concrete Jungle]

Lopez/Afflalo/Anthony should all be just as effective as they are today in the next 4-5 years, we have youth that will develop and help them as time goes along.

[RaZzMaTaZz]

Not a fan of D-Will in the Starting Linuep. I hope KP is the guy but understand he is a rookie.

I would go:

Calderon
Afflalo
Melo
Quinn
Lopez

or if they want Melo at the 4.

Calderon
Galloway
Afflalo
Melo
Lopez.

I still Prefer KP at 4 though

[3toheadmelo]

imagine 5+ seasons of kp averaging 20+ points 8-10 rebounds

[Jeff Van Gully]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

no. we're saying we're getting young, character guys on bargain deals and laying a real foundation WITHOUT sacrificing cap flexibility... for the first time in forever.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yall sound crazy. David West has made 87 million in career earnings. He is naive cause he left 12 mil on the table? oh wow....such a bad move. He could have made 99 million, instead he will make only 88 million since 2003. In 12 years he made 88 million dollars...let that sink in. You actually have to commend him for that. It shows he wants to win. Leave with 99+ million with no ring or leave with 88+, with a possible NBA ring.

After partying and taxes, and all the family and friends that ask him for money, leaving 12 mil on the table is pretty stupid. He's only in his mid-30s. He needs to plan for the future. I'm sure his family won't change their lifestyle after he retires, so he'll be spending loads of money his whole life. The more money he makes the better chance he and/or his family have of always being wealthy and healthy.

Plus, statistically speaking, the Spurs aren't even favorites to win. I don't think it's justifiable to leave that much money on the table. He'll be regretting that decision in 10-15 years.

He made his millions already. I can count many players who were ringless near the end of their careers to sign with a contender on the cheap for a chance to win a title before they retire. So obviously money isn't the only thing that some players care about. I really doubt he will regret that 11 million compared to him thinking "what if" he went to the spurs and won that title.

@justcame

i'm sure he knew what was at stake when he made an $11m turnaround on his salary. i'm sure a man who does that has his affairs in order. you're assuming what his personal life is like, and you have no idea. maybe he and his family don't live like you assume?

i probably wouldn't have done it. but i also know what it's like to go to work in a place you don't like. it must be refreshing to be financially secure enough to say, i'd like to work where i want... or not work. keep your money, you azzhole. i don't even want it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Jen Selter has the best booty I've ever seen. It's just perfect!!!

Mother - Daughter duo I'd definitely do.

Her mom is 47.

that gets the doc harvey

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Few to any teams acquire a bunch of young players at one time and throw out a line-up made up of all 20-something players. Golden States Curry-Thompson-Green comes closest.

And it can't hurt the development of players like Porzingis, Grant and Galloway to play decent basketball while they are "developing."

Knicks acquired two extra draft picks. They have a couple of stashed players thy hope will become something. There are very few free agents in their early 20s.

What alternative plan are you advocating?

I think the argument is basically "we need to lose more games for the sake of having a consistent, pure narrative."

Fans have been complaining about "flexibility" for years, but now the complaint is that Phil has not hedged 100% towards either WINNING NOW or trading Melo and gutting the roster completely.

[Blue Ninja]

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[NoLayupRule]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

culture


he's changing the culture


by bringing in defenders, by getting high IQ guys, by bringing in two way players and by winning some damn games were gonna build a team that plays the right way and may be lacking some talent but is moving in the right direction

we get 20something mil more next summer to add another star, if we can, or further develop the squad

Im on board with this as a non-quick fix approach

[NoLayupRule]

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why Dallas?

WTF?>

this guy hasn't played a meaningful min in years

[Blue Ninja]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/618480206018293761[/tweet]

why Dallas?

WTF?>

this guy hasn't played a meaningful min in years

He played decently for them last year. Minimum contract.

[Blue Ninja]

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[NoLayupRule]

Not a fan of D-Will in the Starting Linuep. I hope KP is the guy but understand he is a rookie.

Calderon
Galloway
Afflalo
Melo
Lopez.

I still Prefer KP at 4 though

with our current squad I think this is the way its gonna go

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Phil is smart.... he's trying to build a team for 4-5 years from now. One that can contend by that time and contend for a long time. Right now, Lebron and GSW and the Spurs will dominate the league for a few years. When their window closes, that's when our window can open if we're ready for it. That's not to say we can't get lucky before then with a big free agent joining Melo in NY but it's good to be prepared for both situations.

Besides drafting Porzingis and Grant how is Phil building a team for 4-5 years from now?

Are we really saying stop gap role players like Afflalo and Lopez are for the future?

culture


he's changing the culture


by bringing in defenders, by getting high IQ guys, by bringing in two way players and by winning some damn games were gonna build a team that plays the right way and may be lacking some talent but is moving in the right direction

we get 20something mil more next summer to add another star, if we can, or further develop the squad

Im on board with this as a non-quick fix approach

Plus he's maintaining roster flexibility. If this group is a dud, we can hope that AA and D-Will opt out, giving us close to 2 max slots. All if not most of our contracts have positive value and can be traded. Big difference from the last era where we're hamstrung from making any trades because our only trade fillers were guys on terrible deals.