Knicks sign Hardaway

[DOLPHIN2020]

Just read this. WTF!!!

Is this some kind of joke?

[mrcalzone]

frank/baker
lee/dotson
thjr/lance/kuz
melo/oquinn
porzingis/willy

your 2017-2018 new york knicks

with the east looking like a Post Fallout apocalypse, surprise 8 seed?

[Kurt Rambis]

So Mills is making decision from now?

[DowNY]

They also weren't dysfunctional like us. They had timmy play in the d league obe time and demoted to bench warmer. He had to work hard to earn minutes.

We are giving this man 71 million for 4 years. He's going to be more free than when we drafted him. This could get ugly.

& he did just that. that propelled him into being a starter that next season. where's the issue?

He was a starter on a bad team

His numbers mean nothing

Anyone can put up numbers in this league

He's a borderline dleaguer

He does not contribute on a legit winning team

The Knicks literally just gave a minimum player almost 20 a season for 4 years

The team could not afford another bad contract after Noah

This is so bad

This literally kills the franchise

The porzingis era is over before it ever begun

1 bad contract is doable .. 2 is franchise altering

broken as a 20year+ Knicks fan

that bad team made the playoffs......

you stuck in 20+ years ago cap era.
As I said, he's young - improved a ton - & is healthy. He's very movable if he even stays at his current level of play.
Hawks were looking to give him $14 per but now Tim got a $17 per offer. Big whoop.
If the Hawks didn't want him for their future rebuild, they would've never extended a QO.
He's obviously more than a "dleaguer".

[Kurt Rambis]

Let's see him on the floor with Porzingis under Hornacek's system before judging. Maybe Hornacek can turn him to a little more team player. Without Melo, we might play run & gun. High octane shooting.

I'm trying my best, guys.

[DowNY]

Victor Oladipo = $22Mil
Allen Crabbe = $19M
Wesley Matthews = $17.5M
Kent Bazemore = $16.9M

as I said, this is the new norm. $10-12M deal in the old CBA. Deal with it.
I take Tim Hardaway over 3 of those 4 names & depending on this season, he might be pushing Oladipo out the way.

[MP4LIFE]

FWIW, Noah was signed after the 30 yr old mark. Tim Hardaway won't even be 30 by the time this contract expires.

Anyway, Timmy is still our homegrown talent. You know, the thing people always complain about with the Knicks? Always giving away their homegrown talent to other teams & letting those players flourish without NY.

I bet if Timmy remained on the Knicks & showed the type of growth he showed with he Hawks & another team offered Timmy this deal, people would be clamoring to match it. Would be comparing it to the Lin situation & everything.

Knicks fans overrate all their young players so that likely would have happened.

Under no circumstance is this a good move.

The Knicks, in classic Knicks fashion, overpaid for a mediocre shooting guard who only does one thing well.

There are certain people on this forum who like to be contrarians and go against the grain, though. They'll blindly support this move as a result and try to convince you that because Tim Hardaway Jr is 25 years old and went from a D-Leaguer to a rotation player that this justifies his $71 million contract.

This is an average starter contract now. People have to deal with it. Time to move with the times.
The only thing to doubt is if he's ready for that starting SG role.

Courtney Lee deal was a super bargain last season & that was because he took less to play with Rose/Noah/Melo, thought it was a win now team & he's is over 30 & valued the extra year more than $$ per season.

Look at Crabbe ($19M per), Bazemore ($16.9M this season) & I bet KCP get more than this. Timmy is better than those players if we basing everything on the now, not 2 years ago or 3/4 yrs ago when he was here.

Hell, a player like Chandler Parsons is getting $23M.
Harrison Barnes is getting $22M.
Victor Oladipo at $22Mil.
Ryan Anderson at $19M.
Wesley Matthews at $17.5M.

I'm sorry, Tim Hardaway is better than Wesley Matthews right now. He's all around better, he's younger & healthier. He's better than Crabbe & his $19M too. He's in that Oladipo bracket imo & if he was playing on a good team like OKC, he would've got a similar contract like Oladipo.

An average starter contract is $10 - $12 million, not nearly $20 million for a guy who has done nothing in his career but be mediocre, and hasn't even started much himself.

Chandler Parsons and Ryan Anderson are some of the worst contracts in the league. Surprised you didn't mention Deng and Noah too. If your best argument to defend a contract is to compare it to some of the worst in the league and say "hey, it's not as bad as THIS!" then your argument has already failed.

Where are you coming up with the idea that Hardaway Jr is a good player? Never shot above 36% from 3, does nothing offensively but chuck shots, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass, doesn't play defense and is a low IQ player. But he's only 25. Let's throw $18 million at him!

How long are you gonna try and sell yourself on this terrible contract? Until you actually watch Tim on the court and realize he is massively overpaid and we can't trade him anywhere because of his garbage contract and 15% trade kicker? It will be too late then.

[Rasho Brezec]

Always hated that bum Steve Mills.

[MaseInYourFace]

I think Pjax was seriously considering bringing Rose back. I don't think Hardaway is ideal either but between both scenarios I can live with Hardaway more.

[knicksNOTslick]

This move makes me miss Phil. I don't think he would've signed Hardaway for this much. We should've waited til the preseason to fire Phil.

All we can do now is hope the Hawks match the offer.

Did the Knicks outbid themselves again? This reminds me of when we signed H20 to a contract worth a lot more than his real value.

[ctorres]

I don't think THjr is just gonna hand over the reins of the franchise to KP or anyone else on the roster. If THjr has the competitive fire that I believe he has, I expect him to out-alpha the majority of the guys on the team.

It might be similar to how Westbrook never allowed himself to be seen as "Robin" with Durant being seen as "Batman". Westbrook has always felt he was as good or better than Durant, not merely his sidekick.

I want THjr to continue improving at the rate he did last summer and throughout this past season. For that top happen, he must have a confidence in his game that leads him to believe he can be the captain of the team as well as an all-star if he maintains an all-around game.

You're going to be one of those guys that talk yourself into believing this is a good move, right.

Absolutely. And then if it doesn't go well, I can live with it.

More enjoyable for me to look for the positives and trying to see through the Knicks' lens rather than being miserable and cynical all the damn time, expecting the worst outcomes.

Also, Mase had it right as to the intent of my post.

I have studied game logs, watched highlights from this year, saw the work he clearly put in the gym, and considered past news reports, his personality traits, behavior, and how he has responded to adversity.

My predictions on THjr are based on my own personal gathering and assessment of data and opinions.

If you cannot respect where I am coming from as a fan, then I kindly ask you to leave me be.

[Boss_]

read the news and spit my coffe out of my mouth when I read this headline

Knicks gonna knick..

Yay for 30-39 wins? Were such a treadmill team, always trying to "win now" mode.

Reminds me of the shandon anderson/howard eisley cap hell days

This move absolutely stinks of desperation to be an 8th seed playoff team

Signing hardaway barely moves the needle for us, let alone tying up so much money on him and including a toxic TRADE KICKER 15%

Well need to include draft picks just to get people to take these bad contracts we have at this point

[knicksNOTslick]

His value is = to that of Dion Waiters

They should have gotten the same contract

Knicks met with Dion Waiters & I guess they didn't feel he deserved 4/71M, because I doubt he would've turned that down.

True. I would've rather we have Dion Waiters for that contract instead of THJ because he has more potential. I dunno, I'm not high on Tim Hardaway. He's an average player to me and I don't see him getting any better.

[MP4LIFE]

I don't think THjr is just gonna hand over the reins of the franchise to KP or anyone else on the roster. If THjr has the competitive fire that I believe he has, I expect him to out-alpha the majority of the guys on the team.

It might be similar to how Westbrook never allowed himself to be seen as "Robin" with Durant being seen as "Batman". Westbrook has always felt he was as good or better than Durant, not merely his sidekick.

I want THjr to continue improving at the rate he did last summer and throughout this past season. For that top happen, he must have a confidence in his game that leads him to believe he can be the captain of the team as well as an all-star if he maintains an all-around game.

You're going to be one of those guys that talk yourself into believing this is a good move, right.

Absolutely. And then if it doesn't go well, I can live with it.

More enjoyable for me to look for the positives and trying to see through the Knicks' lens rather than being miserable and cynical all the damn time, expecting the worst outcomes.

Also, Mase had it right as to the intent of my post.

I have studied game logs, watched highlights from this year, saw the work he clearly put in the gym, and considered past news reports, his personality traits, behavior, and how he has responded to adversity.

My predictions on THjr are based on my own personal gathering and assessment of data and opinions.

If you cannot respect where I am coming from as a fan, then I kindly ask you to leave me be.

I can't respect where you're coming from because you're the same guy who berated people for trashing Isiah Thomas, then simply acted like you never did that and moved on.

"Miserable and cynical all the damn time!" - The Knicks are a miserable franchise for the last 17 years. Truly downright one of the worst teams in sports and you're sitting here berating the fans yet again about being upset with yet another terrible move. There's positivity and then there is an arrogance that you carry with you, as if you are better than everyone else for blindly supporting awful moves for years just because you're a fan. There's being positive and there's being blind and dumb. I would realize the difference and then move forward with your life from there.

[DOLPHIN2020]

Next up, start trading future 1sts once again. Jimmy D is back and better than ever!!!

[Sark]

What's up with the Knicks giving out 15% trade kickers all the time?

[Sark]

Next up, start trading future 1sts once again. Jimmy D is back and better than ever!!!

At least we're not running the triangle though.

[ctorres]

frank/baker
lee/dotson
thjr/lance/kuz
melo/oquinn
porzingis/willy

your 2017-2018 new york knicks

with the east looking like a Post Fallout apocalypse, surprise 8 seed?

There is A LOT of pressure being placed on Ntilikina and Baker to adequately run the point.

Beyond that, I love the potential starters from 2-5. The spacing is excellent and ironically a terrific fit for Melo at the 4.

I am waiting for Melo to come out and be like, "Yo, let me play with my buddies Baker, LT, KP, Willy, THjr and quit trying to force me out. I can join a contender next summer. My body is good for like 4-5 more years of ball. For now, l wanna be DadMelo to these kids."

[HerSports85]

Some of y'all talking about "I miss Phil" really the same guy that gave Noah 4/72 ??? Smh


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[Clyde Frazier]

Victor Oladipo = $22Mil
Allen Crabbe = $19M
Wesley Matthews = $17.5M
Kent Bazemore = $16.9M

as I said, this is the new norm. $10-12M deal in the old CBA. Deal with it.
I take Tim Hardaway over 3 of those 4 names & depending on this season, he might be pushing Oladipo out the way.

Deal with it? We didn't have to give that kind of money to anyone this off season.