Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[Capn'O]

Take it for what it's worth but a dude on the Hawks board who claims insider connections (and is a good poster and not FOS generally) is claiming the Hawks have reached out about the trade down and the Knicks aren't interested.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1702101&start=4100#p75816039

[stuporman]

I’m not saying he’s J-Kidd out there but DSJ makes some very good passes, some quite advanced for his age. The bigger issue is his J.

He gets those Marbury assists, the ones where they are dribbling so much that it's bound to happen that it opens up someone else maybe they see it and pass it for an assist. Although, I don't see very much purposeful dribbling to create opportunities for teammates, it's purpose is to create his own shot and since he doesn't shoot all that well either right now he's not an efficient offensive player or that good of a facilitator.

Can he improve? Yes, sure I guess but there are two guards in the middle of this lottery that right now are better shooters than him and at least as good of passers as he is. This is silly though because the Suns don't want him, he's not a good fit next to Booker, they'd be crazy to think it would work. They might be willing to take on Holiday's contract because he has some future ahead of him but doubt they would Conley, he got no future.

For a Knicks team with Barret and KD who create their own shot and can create for others it may work if Junior improves his spot up 3, if not, it wont work in NY either. He's good enough to get stats on a losing team because he's given plenty of opportunity and little expectations but as he currently plays he's not a guy who has the skills to be a large contributor to a winning team. Maybe he can be a backup to someone like Kyrie and learn how to be it but right now it's not there.

the problem with DSJ is that people thought, and still hope, he would be a staring PG of some significant quality in this league

expectations need to be adjusted

IMO hes a solid player off the bench
he can be a "microwave" guy
a guy who comes in, pushes the ball down the oppositions throat, gets emotional dunks and can be effective in his limited mins

but he's not a leader, he's not a pace controller, he's not a guy who makes teammates better

and he's not a bust.
hes a solid rotational player. its just that right now we don't have anyone better so he's acting like a starting PG

Yup, right now he's the type of player who is a microwave bench scorer and I won't rule out that he can develop into more but anyone expecting or counting on him to do so is belief in the potential of it not based on the evidence of it.

Can he be a microwave guy for a winning team? It all depend on his attitude, if he accepts the role and allows himself to flourish in it yes he can. Maybe a few years playing off the bench and learning from another vet guard will help him he a much better starter in his prime years but right now it's not what he is.

[K_ick_God]

Watching RJ. He doesn't look good to me at all. I don't watch a lot of college. He looks like Timmy.

Also I really don't think Zion is tall, nor are his moves particularly fast. He's great in the fullcourt, which is overrated.

[god shammgod]

Take it for what it's worth but a dude on the Hawks board who claims insider connections (and is a good poster and not FOS generally) is claiming the Hawks have reached out about the trade down and the Knicks aren't interested.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1702101&start=4100#p75816039

begley said it the other day already

Read on Twitter

it's like everyone ignored the word not

[god shammgod]

Watching RJ. He doesn't look good to me at all. I don't watch a lot of college. He looks like Timmy.

Also I really don't think Zion is tall, nor are his moves particularly fast. He's great in the fullcourt, which is overrated.

how surprising that you don't like anyone

[will]

He gets those Marbury assists, the ones where they are dribbling so much that it's bound to happen that it opens up someone else maybe they see it and pass it for an assist. Although, I don't see very much purposeful dribbling to create opportunities for teammates, it's purpose is to create his own shot and since he doesn't shoot all that well either right now he's not an efficient offensive player or that good of a facilitator.

Can he improve? Yes, sure I guess but there are two guards in the middle of this lottery that right now are better shooters than him and at least as good of passers as he is. This is silly though because the Suns don't want him, he's not a good fit next to Booker, they'd be crazy to think it would work. They might be willing to take on Holiday's contract because he has some future ahead of him but doubt they would Conley, he got no future.

For a Knicks team with Barret and KD who create their own shot and can create for others it may work if Junior improves his spot up 3, if not, it wont work in NY either. He's good enough to get stats on a losing team because he's given plenty of opportunity and little expectations but as he currently plays he's not a guy who has the skills to be a large contributor to a winning team. Maybe he can be a backup to someone like Kyrie and learn how to be it but right now it's not there.

the problem with DSJ is that people thought, and still hope, he would be a staring PG of some significant quality in this league

expectations need to be adjusted

IMO hes a solid player off the bench
he can be a "microwave" guy
a guy who comes in, pushes the ball down the oppositions throat, gets emotional dunks and can be effective in his limited mins

but he's not a leader, he's not a pace controller, he's not a guy who makes teammates better

and he's not a bust.
hes a solid rotational player. its just that right now we don't have anyone better so he's acting like a starting PG

Yup, right now he's the type of player who is a microwave bench scorer and I won't rule out that he can develop into more but anyone expecting or counting on him to do so is belief in the potential of it not faith in the evidence of it.

Can he be a microwave guy for a winning team? It all depend on his attitude, if he accepts the role and allows himself to flourish in it yes he can. Maybe a few years playing off the bench and learning from another vet guard will help him he a much better starter in his prime years but right now it's not what he is.

Always thought it was a strange pick to begin with. Offensive minded player like DSJ gets drafted by the Mavs who have a defensive minded, half court offense coach like Rick Carlisle. Dude can score and take the ball to the hoop with ease.

Not saying he is...but Lou Will, Jamal Crawford, Leandro Barbosa, they made their careers coming off the bench with that instant offense mindset. Nothin' wrong with that.

[stuporman]

Watching RJ. He doesn't look good to me at all. I don't watch a lot of college. He looks like Timmy.

Also I really don't think Zion is tall, nor are his moves particularly fast. He's great in the fullcourt, which is overrated.

Barret's floor is the best version of Timmy we ever saw...

Even if Zion only tops out at 6-7 the combination of size, strength and quickness at his skill level, which is really good by the way, he will be a match up nightmare offensively. Defensively I think he will do fine against most 3s and small ball 4s but outside of some select players who will for whatever reason have his number he won't be exploited.

[Chanel Bomber]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I’m not saying he’s J-Kidd out there but DSJ makes some very good passes, some quite advanced for his age. The bigger issue is his J.

He gets those Marbury assists, the ones where they are dribbling so much that it's bound to happen that it opens up someone else maybe they see it and pass it for an assist. Although, I don't see very much purposeful dribbling to create opportunities for teammates, it's purpose is to create his own shot and since he doesn't shoot all that well either right now he's not an efficient offensive player or that good of a facilitator.

Can he improve? Yes, sure I guess but there are two guards in the middle of this lottery that right now are better shooters than him and at least as good of passers as he is. This is silly though because the Suns don't want him, he's not a good fit next to Booker, they'd be crazy to think it would work. They might be willing to take on Holiday's contract because he has some future ahead of him but doubt they would Conley, he got no future.

For a Knicks team with Barret and KD who create their own shot and can create for others it may work if Junior improves his spot up 3, if not, it wont work in NY either. He's good enough to get stats on a losing team because he's given plenty of opportunity and little expectations but as he currently plays he's not a guy who has the skills to be a large contributor to a winning team. Maybe he can be a backup to someone like Kyrie and learn how to be it but right now it's not there.

I agree that he's a losing player in the grand scheme of things right now and that he's not ready to contribute to a winning team. I won't pretend otherwise. I also agree that he's not an efficient offensive player overall, and that his playmaking skills are not good enough to offset his lack of shooting as things stand.

But I disagree with you about his passing and I think the idea that he's only getting assists because he's dribbling so much is a caricature that doesn't reflect reality. He's made some very decisive, crisp and creative passes out of the pick-and-roll, and I think it bodes well for his future if he can improve his decision-making and his J. He still has a lot to learn before he can contribute to winning, there's no denying that. But he has shown serious potential as a playmaker. We shall see. He clearly played hurt the last few weeks but he won't have any excuses next season. Hopefully he's putting in the work.

[Orange Mamba]

Watching RJ. He doesn't look good to me at all. I don't watch a lot of college. He looks like Timmy.

Also I really don't think Zion is tall, nor are his moves particularly fast. He's great in the fullcourt, which is overrated.

RJ has warts in his game for sure, but he's a much better passer/playmaker than Timmy ever was

[TheGreenArrow]

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I know we missed out on zion but man are we lucky to end up with RJ.

We could've been stuck with brandon clarke or the rui's of the world

agreed

and Ill be pretty upset if Mem takes him and were left with Ja

That would be horrible

[Clyde_Style]

He gets those Marbury assists, the ones where they are dribbling so much that it's bound to happen that it opens up someone else maybe they see it and pass it for an assist. Although, I don't see very much purposeful dribbling to create opportunities for teammates, it's purpose is to create his own shot and since he doesn't shoot all that well either right now he's not an efficient offensive player or that good of a facilitator.

Can he improve? Yes, sure I guess but there are two guards in the middle of this lottery that right now are better shooters than him and at least as good of passers as he is. This is silly though because the Suns don't want him, he's not a good fit next to Booker, they'd be crazy to think it would work. They might be willing to take on Holiday's contract because he has some future ahead of him but doubt they would Conley, he got no future.

For a Knicks team with Barret and KD who create their own shot and can create for others it may work if Junior improves his spot up 3, if not, it wont work in NY either. He's good enough to get stats on a losing team because he's given plenty of opportunity and little expectations but as he currently plays he's not a guy who has the skills to be a large contributor to a winning team. Maybe he can be a backup to someone like Kyrie and learn how to be it but right now it's not there.

the problem with DSJ is that people thought, and still hope, he would be a staring PG of some significant quality in this league

expectations need to be adjusted

IMO hes a solid player off the bench
he can be a "microwave" guy
a guy who comes in, pushes the ball down the oppositions throat, gets emotional dunks and can be effective in his limited mins

but he's not a leader, he's not a pace controller, he's not a guy who makes teammates better

and he's not a bust.
hes a solid rotational player. its just that right now we don't have anyone better so he's acting like a starting PG

Yup, right now he's the type of player who is a microwave bench scorer and I won't rule out that he can develop into more but anyone expecting or counting on him to do so is belief in the potential of it not based on the evidence of it.

Can he be a microwave guy for a winning team? It all depend on his attitude, if he accepts the role and allows himself to flourish in it yes he can. Maybe a few years playing off the bench and learning from another vet guard will help him he a much better starter in his prime years but right now it's not what he is.

I project DSJ as a strong 2nd unit player, sort of a Vinnie Johnson lite (the original Microwave), but I don't see him as the starting floor general of a championship roster

[Richard4444]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I think Dennis is a better passer than Frank.

[Tron Carter]

This may have been asked but would anyone do Smith Jr. for Phoenix’s #6?

I would def consider it.

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I’d consider it a robbery for the knicks. players on their third team in as many years aren’t fetching lottery picks.

[moocow007]

This may have been asked but would anyone do Smith Jr. for Phoenix’s #6?

I would def consider it.

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I’d consider it a robbery for the knicks. players on their third team in as many years aren’t fetching lottery picks.

Oh I was just trying to not seem too interested lol. Never show your true feelings


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[moocow007]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I think Dennis is a better passer than Frank.

That actually is true.

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[Capn'O]

Take it for what it's worth but a dude on the Hawks board who claims insider connections (and is a good poster and not FOS generally) is claiming the Hawks have reached out about the trade down and the Knicks aren't interested.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1702101&start=4100#p75816039

begley said it the other day already

Read on Twitter

it's like everyone ignored the word not

Ah, is that what this is all about?

I don't think Ken is rehashing or BSing though so I'd consider it two independent views that this will not happen.

[Capn'O]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I think Dennis is a better passer than Frank.

That actually is true.

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Better passer but decision maker?

Now if we were to COMBINE their best attributes... THAT player... would be decent. You know. Not the best. But pretty pretty good.

[stuporman]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I think Dennis is a better passer than Frank.

That actually is true.

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It is actually true that he thinks it.

[K_ick_God]

Watching RJ. He doesn't look good to me at all. I don't watch a lot of college. He looks like Timmy.

Also I really don't think Zion is tall, nor are his moves particularly fast. He's great in the fullcourt, which is overrated.

Barret's floor is the best version of Timmy we ever saw...

Even if Zion only tops out at 6-7 the combination of size, strength and quickness at his skill level, which is really good by the way, he will be a match up nightmare offensively. Defensively I think he will do fine against most 3s and small ball 4s but outside of some select players who will for whatever reason have his number he won't be exploited.

Hope you're right about RJ. I don't think Zion looks to have great skills. He looks like a transition/finishing player who does have skill but not a great amount of it yet. Then again neither did Bron coming in.

Then again people keep telling me Antet has superior skill too and I don't think he does. Not in the halfcourt at all.

I like what Zion shows -- I see the appeal -- but he definitely is short lol and his growth depends on his halfcourt skill. 6-6 seems generous.

Look at Blake Griffin who worked hard but never got his game to playoff great. And same is going on with Ant even though people can't acknowledge it yet. And now people are souring on Simmons too.

[Besart19]

Smith and Knicks 2021 1st for Suns #6

Frank / Garland / Allen
Barrett / Trier / # 55
Kawhi / Dotson / Melo
Durant / Knox / Vonleh
Mitch / Jordan / Kornet