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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1361 » by Phish Tank » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:13 pm

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Phish Tank wrote:If I were in power, I'd go after and decimate the police unions with the same ferociousness that Rudy Giuliani went after the Five Families (it'll never happen, but one can hope)


Unions are a big big problem. It might be the biggest issue. They are basically untouchable in that bubble.

To get any radical change the police union needs to be one of the main targets.


I'm all for selective targeting.... fines, penalties, recurring audits, liens, whatever it takes to financially decimate them
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1362 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:13 pm

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Phish Tank wrote:If I were in power, I'd go after and decimate the police unions with the same ferociousness that Rudy Giuliani went after the Five Families (it'll never happen, but one can hope)


Unions are a big big problem. It might be the biggest issue. They are basically untouchable in that bubble.

To get any radical change the police union needs to be one of the main targets.

I'd transform to Ronald Reagan with the quickness. Margaret Thatcher would be looking up smiling.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1363 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:17 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:If I were in power, I'd go after and decimate the police unions with the same ferociousness that Rudy Giuliani went after the Five Families (it'll never happen, but one can hope)


Unions are a big big problem. It might be the biggest issue. They are basically untouchable in that bubble.

To get any radical change the police union needs to be one of the main targets.

I'd transform to Ronald Reagan with the quickness. Margaret Thatcher would be looking up smiling.


Isn't that what Minny is doing, effectively?
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1364 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:21 pm

I got a story for you Clyde. A story about how my kind of naive little bro went to his first protest 2 days ago. I'm stuck in home because I just turned 26 and don't have insurance until the 1st so I'm not risking a thing but it's a good thing I didn't show because I would've spent most of my time with the organizers trying to shift the focus.

There's a store about 30 mins from my crib that sells Confederate memorabilia, nooses (a few they've advertised as classic and used), KKK patches, lynching postcards (many not the famous images but personal ones taken by the father of the owner)... Name it they got it. Hell they have a colored wall inside the establishment with a picture of every non white person that's ever been foolish enough to walk through Kennesaw's historic district.

All these people gathered to protest the store. To bring awareness to their actions. They now have more support than ever. That store is now healthier than ever.

**** a message let's talk goals, what would accomplish our goals quicker; a week of peaceful protests, empathy (he sent videos of people going over there to hug them), humanity, or a molotov cocktail?

I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm human. They know that already. This isn't ignorance it's 400 years of malice.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1365 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:23 pm

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E-Balla wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Unions are a big big problem. It might be the biggest issue. They are basically untouchable in that bubble.

To get any radical change the police union needs to be one of the main targets.

I'd transform to Ronald Reagan with the quickness. Margaret Thatcher would be looking up smiling.


Isn't that what Minny is doing, effectively?

Last I checked Minneapolis PD is still collecting paychecks so nah.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1366 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:28 pm

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2010 wrote:
I feel you. My mentality is still being forged. While I will never rebuke defensive/violent protest, property damage, and looting – as a last resort (cuz I still view it at being a very effective call for awareness). You have made effective points about the end game.

So I am with you. We need to maximize our presence at the polls, and subsequently get people who will advocate for plight of blacks in America. Then once that is established, advocate for the plight for all Americans.

But we cannot have the 2nd without the 1st. Cuz that illusionary mindset is what has us in this current situation.


I'll tell you what pisses me off.

It is other white people telling me they founded and built this country.

It makes me boil inside.

Personally, I don't feel responsible for America's slave trade and if any person tries to guilt trip me like that I'll tell them to pound sand. I'm continuously open to expanding my self-awareness of possible acts of unintended complicity, but I am not going to be held accountable for the actions of people a century or more before I was born. That's just reverse racism implying that because I'm white I'm just as guilty as the original slave masters. No sir, that's bogus

But I've been told by white guys this is their country, it was founded by white people and built by them. And that is when I feel fairly violent emotionally, but I keep my cool. Inside, I want to punch their lights out. It is obscene to me. I can't believe anyone actually believes this stuff, but they do.

When I try to argue that the country was actually built on the back of people brought here against their will they simply do not care.

And I hate confederate flags. I see them every day.

Racism is a mental illness. We all are affected by it to some degree, but what I see every day is pretty bad, probably worse than your average day in NYC. Not trying to say my data sample is bigger and better, just saying I'm a white guy who can't stand what I see around me and I do my best to address it when I can.

It really doesn't matter what I say to them. They are lost causes. No reasoning will change their allegiances.

What matters more is those people whose opinions are in flux and working it out with them. The last thing this country needs now is rage against the machine blinding people of their need to collaborate with each other.

Luckily, most of the bigoted white guys here have never voted in their lives. Trust me when I tell you this, but if all of the white nationalist type of people actually bothered to vote the problems we're facing would be so much worse. I still think around half of the white males in America are some kind of racist. But that's not enough for the bad apples to hold on to power if everyone else works together.

I've also asked several black people here if they vote. Not one said yes. Damn shame too considering what an advantage they'd have if they did.


I feel you on all the other stuff, so what's understood doesn't need to be addressed. But regarding the enlarged, do you acknowledge being a beneficiary of white privilege tho?


Of course. Privilege is privilege no matter how you slice it

I know I'm not getting pulled over for driving while white

It is a privilege to not live in fear

I don't trust the cops myself, but I know I have less to fear from them in most circumstances

And privilege can show up in so many interactions I'd probably lose count if I tried to list them

I'm pretty aware of all of this

I sometimes have my own issues around race, because I don't think anybody has virtue due to skin color alone. I still think each person's character is more important than what group they were born into or affiliate with now. I don't discriminate in my criticisms, because I think we're all capable of bad assumptions, myself included. It is why I argue with leftists even though I'm a progressive.

And when it comes to issues of justice I'm pretty adamant about higher values being superior to violence even though I can feel the anger and mostly understand it when it comes from others. Whether I support that is different. It doesn't make me more white or less white to advocate for democratic processes of reform.

If I'm privileged by my skin color I don't really feel it makes me special. I'm definitely not ashamed of being white. And I don't really have any pride about it either. So I'm privileged to not care about my skin color at the end of the day. It doesn't occupy my waking thoughts, but I understand it can be very different for a person of color
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1367 » by Capn'O » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:29 pm

E-Balla wrote:There's a store about 30 mins from my crib that sells Confederate memorabilia, nooses (a few they've advertised as classic and used), KKK patches, lynching postcards (many not the famous images but personal ones taken by the father of the owner)... Name it they got it. Hell they have a colored wall inside the establishment with a picture of every non white person that's ever been foolish enough to walk through Kennesaw's historic district.


Georgia?

If something happened... I'd allow it...
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1368 » by 2010 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:30 pm

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2010 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Black people voted from 1980 to 2019. What progress that lead to? Don't fall for the trickery, voting isn't a fix for black issues. It'll fix our issues we have as Americans and you should vote as an American to fix issues affecting all of us but politicians won't do **** for black people don't fight for. They'll shutdown the government for DACA, we gotta shutdown society to stop being murdered.


I feel you. I think it's a two-step tho. We both know a two-step requires rhythm. I think both methods must coordinate to create that rhythm till we find the step that beats and breaks down this system.

So I agree with the defensive/violent protest, property damage, and looting (aka appropriation). I also agree with an end game of getting advocates in political office to advance our plight.

There is no reason both methods can't work in unison. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

But ultimately, like I told Clyde, I firmly believe we need to:

get people who will advocate [politically] for the plight of blacks in America [as their primary objective]. Then once that is established, advocate for the plight for all Americans.

But we cannot have the 2nd without the 1st. Cuz that illusionary mindset is what has us in this current predicament.

You're not wrong but after seeing mainstream politics pick up the most fringe of fringe issues for groups with less power than us so often I realized that at least beyond a local level we'll never have the first step. Politicians know more than anyone else no one stands with us. Hell we barely stand with each other on issues besides our literal deaths. We can't even get 60% support for reparations among black people. Any politician centering our issues would get laughed off stage just as quickly as Marianne (yeah I know she was **** but still).


I feel you bro. But timing is everything...and now's the time. We can't stop trying. Keep chopping at the tree till it falls. But your'e right. It does start locally. Then we build it out from there. We must recreate and reclaim an industry for ourselves. Then reclaim prior industrial hotbeds like Detroit, Michigan and Gary, Indiana; etc. Then make them political strongholds. And expand from there. It can still be done. Just gotta be willing to see the process through. But always remember, politicians are purchased.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1369 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:34 pm

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E-Balla wrote:I'd transform to Ronald Reagan with the quickness. Margaret Thatcher would be looking up smiling.


Isn't that what Minny is doing, effectively?

Last I checked Minneapolis PD is still collecting paychecks so nah.


I figure it will take some time.

I was just talking about this with some of my family.

My speculation was that was the play; disband the force, which nullifies the union, then start another force, smaller, weeding out "problem officers"
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1370 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:38 pm

E-Balla wrote:
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E-Balla wrote:I didn't complain about the GB. If anything I defended them and criticized the CA board. That said another poster saying people complaining about their stores burning need to shut up and enjoy the progress isn't telling you to shut up and isn't comparable to mods banning you for calling other posters racist. Don't play dumb Clyde we know each other more than well enough for you to know what you were doing there and I find it funny you had the nerve to play that card then say you aren't going to try to bully me to make your point.


You dismissed the actions that lead to social progress as trivial just as easily and here you go again with that rhetoric. We all know next to no one is going to be ruined because their store burned down and now the insurance company has to pay to replace it. Stop it.


If you believe it isn't you're incredibly misguided and know nothing about US history or the history of the black struggle for human rights. Past riots HAVE shifted political consciousness. Last time black people uniformly started riots nationwide was in 1968, you telling me we didn't gain social progress? The US government passed the Civil Rights Act without voters even supporting it because of that fear.

I'll be 100% real here I'm not playing to this nonsense that white people saw a man die and their hearts finally grew like the **** Grinch. That politicians saw on man die and now they finally understand what needs to be done. We've been kidnapped and miseducated but we weren't born yesterday. I understand how America, Americans, and most importantly white people and the system of white supremacy works. Step 1 is always to act as if white people suddenly gained empathy, it destroys the militancy of the movement and leads to our destruction because the second we stop being angry white supremacy goes back to doing what they do best. No progress made in the 5 decades between us tearing **** up but I'm supposed to believe that us tearing **** up again isn't what changed the minds of people? Yeah ight...


Are you planning on committing arson or just supporting those do?

Are you planning on defending storefronts with a gun or just supporting those who do?

I can ask insulting questions too Clyde you don't want that smoke.


It wasn't an insult.

It was what you were advocating.

If you condone it, what is the difference between you committing arson and applauding someone else doing it?

If you do it, do you believe you're committing a crime or being a freedom fighter or both?

If someone else does it, do you organize a fund to bail them out or just tell us it was justified and let them rot?

There is either some kind of unity to your thought or there isn't and I'm asking you these questions because it still feels like you can justify pretty much anything, but it has no basis other than revenge.

And how selective are you at the end of the day?

When your house or apartment gets burned down do you say that's OK I was in the way of a just cause and that you're cool with sleeping under a bridge after that?

I just find this willingness to excuse anybody else's suffering to justify payback for 400 years of suffering to be more selfish than selfless.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1371 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:44 pm

E-Balla wrote:
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E-Balla wrote:I'd transform to Ronald Reagan with the quickness. Margaret Thatcher would be looking up smiling.


Isn't that what Minny is doing, effectively?

Last I checked Minneapolis PD is still collecting paychecks so nah.


yeah Minnesota is a blue state. They support unions.

I am a big proponent against unions. They cover up for a lot of sucky workers. In this case they make a lot of police officers untouchable after countless infractions.

Same goes for suck a** teachers. There are teachers (my wife is one) that can't stand being protected by a union. She pays dues and they protect sucky teachers that are teaching our young and they are like teflon they have no place in the work place in my opinion.

The problem is suck a** cops can kill you. Some of these other professions suck a** employees just suck at there job. But to not be able to review and fire bad employees for incompetence in a field where it is the utmost importance to have good people in a position of authority blows.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1372 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:44 pm

2010 wrote:I feel you bro. But timing is everything...and now's the time. We can't stop trying. Keep chopping at the tree till it falls. But your'e right. It does start locally. Then we build it out from there. We must recreate and reclaim an industry for ourselves. Then reclaim prior industrial hotbeds like Detroit, Michigan and Gary, Indiana; etc. Then make them political strongholds. And expand from there. It can still be done. Just gotta be willing to see the process through. But always remember, politicians are purchased.

The time is whenever we make time. I think that's the disconnect here. I don't see us forcing the conversation as it being the right time. There was nothing at all stopping NYC from rioting after Gardner. Hell I was in NY at the time I remember that time. Michael Brown's killers were freed, Akai Gurley got killed, and Gardner got killed in like a 4 day period. Would George Floyd have died if black unemployment was where it is now back then and we had the time to hit the streets the way they needed to be hit nationwide instead of just in Ferguson?
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1373 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:49 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Isn't that what Minny is doing, effectively?

Last I checked Minneapolis PD is still collecting paychecks so nah.


yeah Minnesota is a blue state. They support unions.

I am a big proponent against unions. They cover up for a lot of sucky workers. In this case they make a lot of police officers untouchable after countless infractions.

Same goes for suck a** teachers. There are teachers (my wife is one) that can't stand being protected by a union. She pays dues and they protect sucky teachers that are teaching our young and they are like teflon they have no place in the work place in my opinion.

The problem is suck a** cops can kill you. Some of these other professions suck a** employees just suck at there job. But to not be able to review and fire bad employees for incompetence in a field where it is the utmost importance to have good people in a position of authority blows.

I'm frfr socialist so I love unions for people that aren't dogs of the government. They don't deserve unions the same way school admins don't.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1374 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:57 pm

E-Balla wrote:I got a story for you Clyde. A story about how my kind of naive little bro went to his first protest 2 days ago. I'm stuck in home because I just turned 26 and don't have insurance until the 1st so I'm not risking a thing but it's a good thing I didn't show because I would've spent most of my time with the organizers trying to shift the focus.

There's a store about 30 mins from my crib that sells Confederate memorabilia, nooses (a few they've advertised as classic and used), KKK patches, lynching postcards (many not the famous images but personal ones taken by the father of the owner)... Name it they got it. Hell they have a colored wall inside the establishment with a picture of every non white person that's ever been foolish enough to walk through Kennesaw's historic district.

All these people gathered to protest the store. To bring awareness to their actions. They now have more support than ever. That store is now healthier than ever.

**** a message let's talk goals, what would accomplish our goals quicker; a week of peaceful protests, empathy (he sent videos of people going over there to hug them), humanity, or a molotov cocktail?

I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm human. They know that already. This isn't ignorance it's 400 years of malice.


Yeah, I rented a house and when I went to my landlord's store I discovered they sold Nazi artifacts and had all kinds of Sambo antiques for sale. He's a racist, a Trump nut hugger and I'm pretty sure he is in a network of creepy white dudes that do some kind of Nazi occult magic. IOW, some demented chit.

I didn't burn their store down. Not while I rented their house, nor after I moved out. I'm half Jewish. I'm not a big fan of the Fuhrer.

In Germany, Nazi swastikas are outlawed. They are not here.

So far, I'm still an adherent to free speech laws which to me means that people have a right to express themselves and behave like total scumbags as long as they don't touch me, inflict damage to body or property or do anything that affects me directly. Having my feelings hurt does not count as an action even though I thoroughly agree that words are weapons and can wound and harm people. I still believe you take the good with the bad if you believe in preserving free speech.

So leave the store alone please. I believe you they are POS people. I also believe they have a right to be complete and utter trash, because I believe in laws that are meant to protect us from them burning you down or you burning them down. The problem with the police is that we have Nazis and White Nationalists on the police forces out there thugging. They are not doing their job and we need to bring them to justice using the systems that exist. And we will.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1375 » by 2010 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:57 pm

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2010 wrote:I feel you bro. But timing is everything...and now's the time. We can't stop trying. Keep chopping at the tree till it falls. But your'e right. It does start locally. Then we build it out from there. We must recreate and reclaim an industry for ourselves. Then reclaim prior industrial hotbeds like Detroit, Michigan and Gary, Indiana; etc. Then make them political strongholds. And expand from there. It can still be done. Just gotta be willing to see the process through. But always remember, politicians are purchased.

The time is whenever we make time. I think that's the disconnect here. I don't see us forcing the conversation as it being the right time. There was nothing at all stopping NYC from rioting after Gardner. Hell I was in NY at the time I remember that time. Michael Brown's killers were freed, Akai Gurley got killed, and Gardner got killed in like a 4 day period. Would George Floyd have died if black unemployment was where it is now back then and we had the time to hit the streets the way they needed to be hit nationwide instead of just in Ferguson?


I stress timing due to circumstances. People are more distracted in the current era than ever before. So it took corona combined with grieving lost ones, financial frustrations, restriction of movement due to quarantine, along with the cumulative effect of police murders and civil rights violations to galvanize this current movement. Or else, trust me...George Floyd's death wouldn't have had the global impact it's having. So now more than ever we are positioned to capitalize on the timing.

Even the primary culprit's name underscores the timing. Derek CHAUVIN. Root word for chauvinism. Defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people."

The energy of the world has dictated the timing is now. Even down to that bastard's surname.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1376 » by robillionaire » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:58 pm

E-Balla wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Last I checked Minneapolis PD is still collecting paychecks so nah.


yeah Minnesota is a blue state. They support unions.

I am a big proponent against unions. They cover up for a lot of sucky workers. In this case they make a lot of police officers untouchable after countless infractions.

Same goes for suck a** teachers. There are teachers (my wife is one) that can't stand being protected by a union. She pays dues and they protect sucky teachers that are teaching our young and they are like teflon they have no place in the work place in my opinion.

The problem is suck a** cops can kill you. Some of these other professions suck a** employees just suck at there job. But to not be able to review and fire bad employees for incompetence in a field where it is the utmost importance to have good people in a position of authority blows.

I'm frfr socialist so I love unions for people that aren't dogs of the government. They don't deserve unions the same way school admins don't.


Police unions are not real unions. Cops are class traitors
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1377 » by robillionaire » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:01 pm

Article about property damage from leftist slant

“Why do privileged liberals care more about property damage than black lives?

“Riots,” wrote Martin Luther King Jr., “are the language of the unheard.” King is one of many civil rights radicals whose politics have been rewritten, his memory whittled into a sanitized, non-threatening corporate version fit for a Google Doodle. Liberals remember that he had a dream, even if they forget his sermons on sanitation worker strikes.

As #blacklivesmatter protests grip the country, new political fissures have opened. Predictably, there are those on the right who dismiss racist police violence as a non-issue. On the left, however, the situation is more interesting: there is a dividing line between the outraged, and the moderates who balk at what they see as “violent protests.” Broken windows, smashed storefronts, and public transit disruptions upset the liberal mindset. Their huffiness is on display in the comments sections of subtly-slanted news sites like SFist:
The protests are justified, they write. The “looting” is not. Where’s the line?

The line wavers depending on what you think the function of the police is. The working class and radicals alike tend to see police as the foot-soldiers of the 1%—defenders of a propertied-owning class that owns and controls the poor, whether through rent, wage-slavery, or the prison-industrial complex. (At Millions March Oakland, one protest sign read: “A black man is worth zero to a corporation when free; in jail, the same man is worth $40,000 a year.”) In the ghetto, the police act as repo man, debt collector and security guard rolled into one; yet these free-of-charge services are available only to the gentry, not the serfs. Landlord wants to gentrify or collect more rent? The police will carry out the eviction on their behalf, no questions asked. When a poor black man turns to theft to survive a system that’s disenfranchised him? The police defend store owners over the starving.
Yet the middle- (and upper-) class liberals—including vocal, computer-adept sophists that flood comments sections—don’t experience police in the same way. Where systemic racism against people of color thrives, the reverse—special treatment for the rich and white—does too. Yet this special treatment is invisible from their perspective, internalized as normal. White liberals’ own experience of policing is mediated by this fact.
What does the white liberal see when she sees windows breaking? When she sees Berkeley cops beating protesters for smashing storefronts? Does she see what the rioters see—an economic system that calls upon authority to protect panes of glass with deadly force, while annihilating black and brown lives with the same fervor? Do they see an asphalt wasteland of minimum wage service jobs, exploitative employers salivating at the chance to prey on an underclass that has no other option? Do they see a genocidal nation-state that isn’t worth saving, that could kill their children with impunity at any minute, that indeed, kills a black person every 28 hours?

I don’t think that’s what the white liberal sees. They see “chaos” creeping towards their property line. They see a system wither—a system that, for all its flaws, benefits them—and fear for their belongings. They see a mass of dark-skinned faces taking things that they, in their own words, would pay their “hard-earned money” for. Through racist codewords, they call out those that chip away at their own chains.

When the system benefits you, it’s tough to recognize it as wrong.

There is a racism lurking in the liberal worldview. Their complicity reinforces and keeps this racist system running. They see racism as a carnivorous beast separate from them, when in fact they are saddled on its back.

For movement-builders, the challenge is getting liberals to hear the voice of the unheard.”
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1378 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:06 pm

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Are you planning on committing arson or just supporting those do?

Are you planning on defending storefronts with a gun or just supporting those who do?

I can ask insulting questions too Clyde you don't want that smoke.


It wasn't an insult.

It was what you were advocating.

If you condone it, what is the difference between you committing arson and applauding someone else doing it?

If you do it, do you believe you're committing a crime or being a freedom fighter or both?

If someone else does it, do you organize a fund to bail them out or just tell us it was justified and let them rot?

There is either some kind of unity to your thought or there isn't and I'm asking you these questions because it still feels like you can justify pretty much anything, but it has no basis other than revenge.

And how selective are you at the end of the day?

When your house or apartment gets burned down do you say that's OK I was in the way of a just cause and that you're cool with sleeping under a bridge after that?

I just find this willingness to excuse anybody else's suffering to justify payback for 400 years of suffering to be more selfish than selfless.

You didn't respond to a single point I made, accused me of telling you to shut up when I didn't, and called me an arson and you wanna say it's not an insult? Don't play. Address my post if you don't want me to keep being hostile because I'm not one for the goalpost moving and lying.

Again in this post you're lying about actions to justify holding your POV. I'm lucky I didn't inherit the generational Stockholm syndrome that plagues us. I won't sit here while you try to invoke that illness for your own moral dilemnas you have from the sideline.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1379 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:07 pm

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Unions are a big big problem. It might be the biggest issue. They are basically untouchable in that bubble.

To get any radical change the police union needs to be one of the main targets.

I'd transform to Ronald Reagan with the quickness. Margaret Thatcher would be looking up smiling.


Isn't that what Minny is doing, effectively?


I believe Camden NJ did with much success. I have to read up on that.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1380 » by E-Balla » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:10 pm

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E-Balla wrote:I got a story for you Clyde. A story about how my kind of naive little bro went to his first protest 2 days ago. I'm stuck in home because I just turned 26 and don't have insurance until the 1st so I'm not risking a thing but it's a good thing I didn't show because I would've spent most of my time with the organizers trying to shift the focus.

There's a store about 30 mins from my crib that sells Confederate memorabilia, nooses (a few they've advertised as classic and used), KKK patches, lynching postcards (many not the famous images but personal ones taken by the father of the owner)... Name it they got it. Hell they have a colored wall inside the establishment with a picture of every non white person that's ever been foolish enough to walk through Kennesaw's historic district.

All these people gathered to protest the store. To bring awareness to their actions. They now have more support than ever. That store is now healthier than ever.

**** a message let's talk goals, what would accomplish our goals quicker; a week of peaceful protests, empathy (he sent videos of people going over there to hug them), humanity, or a molotov cocktail?

I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm human. They know that already. This isn't ignorance it's 400 years of malice.


Yeah, I rented a house and when I went to my landlord's store I discovered they sold Nazi artifacts and had all kinds of Sambo antiques for sale. He's a racist, a Trump nut hugger and I'm pretty sure he is in a network of creepy white dudes that do some kind of Nazi occult magic. IOW, some demented chit.

I didn't burn their store down. Not while I rented their house, nor after I moved out. I'm half Jewish. I'm not a big fan of the Fuhrer.

In Germany, Nazi swastikas are outlawed. They are not here.

So far, I'm still an adherent to free speech laws which to me means that people have a right to express themselves and behave like total scumbags as long as they don't touch me, inflict damage to body or property or do anything that affects me directly. Having my feelings hurt does not count as an action even though I thoroughly agree that words are weapons and can wound and harm people. I still believe you take the good with the bad if you believe in preserving free speech.

So leave the store alone please. I believe you they are POS people. I also believe they have a right to be complete and utter trash, because I believe in laws that are meant to protect us from them burning you down or you burning them down. The problem with the police is that we have Nazis and White Nationalists on the police forces out there thugging. They are not doing their job and we need to bring them to justice using the systems that exist. And we will.

I'm just saying this is an attitude that's easy to have when you're on the sidelines. This holier than thou attitude we have is the death of us literally.

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