2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[HarthorneWingo]

I must’ve missed the things the said about Kapaernik. What’d she say? I backed Kap from the beginning.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-colin-kaepernick/index.html

Yeah. Not good.

[HarthorneWingo]

Shaq, Ernie, Draymond, Kenny, and Chuck should moderate one of the debates.

[Oscirus]

People who say this are ignorant. I really don’t feel like being nice right now. You can’t do anything in government without power and that power means controlling all 3 branches of the government. If you want the Dems to do anything then the voters would show up to vote in record numbers in every election and mid term election from now until eternity. People would have shut the hell up and showed up to vote for Clinton instead of wasting third party votes, protesting that their candidate didn’t win the primary or sitting him not seriously thinking that Trump could win.

If you want a good example, the House passed a coronavirus relief legislation months ago and there’s nothing you can do about a corrupt piece of *****like Mitch McConnell refusing to bring it up for a vote. **** blame Dem voters because Republican voters don’t have this problem

No you're just blind. These **** take losses tht they shouldnt be taking and they do little to nothing in response. They have things in their power, they just choose not to use them and play the victim to the press.

That the same person has been the top democrat since 2002 despite having more failures than successes is an indictment on elected democrats and how lazy they truly are. And dont even get me started on Schumers do nothing ass. He cant even find decent candidates to challenge for senate.

You want to be impressed by meaningless gestures, be my guest, but Im dont letting democrats off the hook for being so impotent.

Please go read up how the government works and what power you have and don’t have as the Minority party. You’re talking nonsense. You have two choices, either give Democrats power or let Republicans gain more power and never have a voice ever again. Look at my post about what happened in Hungary. That is exactly what will happen in the US and even worse.

Take your own advice. They have options they just wont use them.

[HarthorneWingo]

The dems are def the generals. They pretty much bend over and give the repubs whatever they want with little resistance. Honestly, Im surprised they're holding off this long on the cough cough package

People who say this are ignorant. I really don’t feel like being nice right now. You can’t do anything in government without power and that power means controlling all 3 branches of the government. If you want the Dems to do anything then the voters would show up to vote in record numbers in every election and mid term election from now until eternity. People would have shut the hell up and showed up to vote for Clinton instead of wasting third party votes, protesting that their candidate didn’t win the primary or sitting him not seriously thinking that Trump could win.

If you want a good example, the House passed a coronavirus relief legislation months ago and there’s nothing you can do about a corrupt piece of *****like Mitch McConnell refusing to bring it up for a vote. **** blame Dem voters because Republican voters don’t have this problem

No you're just blind. These **** take losses tht they shouldnt be taking and they do little to nothing in response. They have things in their power, they just choose not to use them and play the victim to the press.

That the same person has been the top democrat since 2002 despite having more failures than successes is an indictment on elected democrats and how lazy they truly are. And dont even get me started on Schumers do nothing ass. He cant even find decent candidates to challenge for senate.

You want to be impressed by meaningless gestures, be my guest, but Im dont letting democrats off the hook for being so impotent.

Schumer needs to retire. Man, is he awful.

[aq_ua]

Take a good read about how Hungary went from a Democracy to authoritarian state. And by no exaggeration, the exact same thing is happening in the US. Trump isn’t even being subtle about it. I was saying this months ago but this is the last chance for Democracy.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851774707/democracy-at-risk-in-central-and-eastern-europe-report-finds

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-01-11/how-viktor-orban-degraded-hungarys-weak-democracy

There’s a book called The Great Rupture by Viktor Shvets that talks about how throughout history, mankind has chosen reliance on a strong state over personal liberties at each crisis and given the choice. His argument is actually that the information and technology age has actually created the conditions that allow for a more benign but totalitarian style of government. When you think about what the broader and increasingly younger generations want in terms of equality and assurance of basic living standards over completely free capitalism and how much and how frequently society now relies on fiscal policy, it’s an interesting argument. The terminology clearly attracts cringes, but the heart of the argument rings true especially now.

[Rasho Brezec]

We need a progressive Black woman next.

Well guess who has committed to nominating a black woman?

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That's institutional racism.

[HarthorneWingo]

We need a progressive Black woman next.

Well guess who has committed to nominating a black woman?

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That's institutional racism.

If that's your concern, perhaps you should worry about your own country. There's a lot of room for improvement there.

[Rasho Brezec]

Well guess who has committed to nominating a black woman?

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That's institutional racism.

If that's your concern, perhaps you should worry about your own country. There's a lot of room for improvement there.

We don't have institutional racism.

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Joe Biden looking like he's randomly picking through talking point flashcards here.

[BallSacBounce]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation-413923

‘This is f---ing crazy’: Florida Latinos swamped by wild conspiracy theories
A flood of disinformation and deceptive claims is damaging Joe Biden in the nation’s biggest swing state

The sheer volume of conspiracy theories — including QAnon — and deceptive claims are already playing a role in stunting Biden’s growth with Latino voters, who make up about 17 percent of the state’s electorate.

“The onslaught has had an effect,” said Eduardo Gamarra, a pollster and director of the Latino Public Opinion Forum at Florida International University.

“It’s difficult to measure the effect exactly, but the polling sort of shows it and in focus groups it shows up, with people deeply questioning the Democrats, and referring to the ‘deep state’ in particular — that there’s a real conspiracy against the president from the inside,” he said. “There’s a strain in our political culture that’s accustomed to conspiracy theories, a culture that’s accustomed to coup d'etats.”

And people deny Qanon is real. That's just too funny. Whatever "it" is it is certainly real and is having a real world effect. Which is it's entire reason for being. Mission accomplished. I have no idea as to the legitimacy of the claim it is an administration insider. But I do know after 2+ years of being on anonymous chat boards no one has been able to crack a hole in its claim. And you are talking about a group of people who love to poke holes in LARPs.

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Yeah ok Joe. You're like totally not making this up. Just look at the data.
ALL the people would be alive if not for Donald Trump.
Pure asshattery.

Done making excuses for this guy's cognitive decline?

[BallSacBounce]

CNN hand picks Democrat staffers for softball pre-approved and likely given in advance questions a la Donna Brazile and Joe still can't hold it together. Meanwhile Donald Trump takes on all comers. Rumor has it he's going to appear on Joe Rogan with or without Biden.

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[Fat Kat]

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[Fury]

We need a progressive Black woman next.

Well guess who has committed to nominating a black woman?

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That's institutional racism.

So you’re saying this entire time mostly only white men have been qualified?

[Fury]

That's institutional racism.

If that's your concern, perhaps you should worry about your own country. There's a lot of room for improvement there.

We don't have institutional racism.

Lol

Institutional xenophobia

[Pointgod]

Well guess who has committed to nominating a black woman?

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That's institutional racism.

So you’re saying this entire time mostly only white men have been qualified?

It’s obvious he’s trying to be an obnoxious troll. Yet he’ll whine about alienating Trump supporters when he’s called out on it.

[Pointgod]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation-413923

‘This is f---ing crazy’: Florida Latinos swamped by wild conspiracy theories
A flood of disinformation and deceptive claims is damaging Joe Biden in the nation’s biggest swing state

The sheer volume of conspiracy theories — including QAnon — and deceptive claims are already playing a role in stunting Biden’s growth with Latino voters, who make up about 17 percent of the state’s electorate.

“The onslaught has had an effect,” said Eduardo Gamarra, a pollster and director of the Latino Public Opinion Forum at Florida International University.

“It’s difficult to measure the effect exactly, but the polling sort of shows it and in focus groups it shows up, with people deeply questioning the Democrats, and referring to the ‘deep state’ in particular — that there’s a real conspiracy against the president from the inside,” he said. “There’s a strain in our political culture that’s accustomed to conspiracy theories, a culture that’s accustomed to coup d'etats.”

And people deny Qanon is real. That's just too funny. Whatever "it" is it is certainly real and is having a real world effect. Which is it's entire reason for being. Mission accomplished. I have no idea as to the legitimacy of the claim it is an administration insider. But I do know after 2+ years of being on anonymous chat boards no one has been able to crack a hole in its claim. And you are talking about a group of people who love to poke holes in LARPs.

A good way to never be taken seriously in any discussion is to bring up the QAnon bull which promotes domestic terrorism.

[Rasho Brezec]

Well guess who has committed to nominating a black woman?

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That's institutional racism.

So you’re saying this entire time mostly only white men have been qualified?

Um, no.

[j4remi]

Obama had supermajority the first two years of his presidency, he wanted to reach across the aisle to people who will never do the same. Dems show weakness when they should show the same level of disregard for the rules that Republicans show, this is literally like watching WWE as a kid and the heel keeps winning over and over again while the face tries to play by the rules.

Whenever the Dems get back in power, they should simply show the same respect to the rules that Republicans have shown, will that happen? I doubt it, not until the progressives take over in 10-20 years, but Donald Trump Jr. will probably be in his 5th term by then.

he lost that supermajority fast due to Ted Kennedy's passing (August 2009) & later Robert Byrd's passing (2010). They were lucky to squeeze the ACA, but had to sacrifice a lot of the true liberal aspects of the bill (public option) on the table.

Surprised people keep on saying this.

Like I said. A lot of people who keep saying Democrats this and Democrats that are completely ignorant. The public option of the ACA was literally killed by one Senator ONE. You know what’s better than a super majority for 2 months? A **** Super Majority for 4 years! I don’t know why people choose to be so **** dense. This isn’t that complicated.

While true that Lieberman was the nail in the coffin for the Public Option; let's not pretend the make up of Congress was the only reason Obama's presidency was a disappointment for many people. He needed to be more aggressive point blank (the Republicans made it no secret that they intended to obstruct the whole way through), the latter half of his second term shoulda been his approach way sooner.

I also think the supermajority thing might be overblown, but as a reciprocal it's worth looking at just how bad down ballot Dems did and how much the DNC eroded while Obama was leading. Mostly because he was such a superstar that his inability to impact races where he was directly on the ballot is wild...and yes, I know that incumbent parties always lose seats but not at the rate Obama did.

[j4remi]

A bit of good to rise from a bad situation?

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Also, while the Judicial Branch is on everyone's minds. It's probably worth revisiting the blue slips that allowed Republicans to block Obama and were subsequently ignored during the Trump Administration. This means that while we fret over the Supreme Court, the Judicial Branch at every level has been impacted by large margins. So the entire Judicial Branch is worth looking at, some of the appointees have even been completely unqualified.

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