Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[TerrenceClarke]

When was the last time the knicks were able to package picks for a "star" ? Melo?



Cam is better than any player that pick would have conveyed into this year.

[HarthorneWingo]

It shows that Leon was able to make a trade and not get dunked on.

Now watch Knox start filling it up in Atlanta.

That wouldn't bother me. I kinda hope he does.

Knox lacks the testicular fortitude to play at a high level.

Just looks like he doesn’t really care if he plays basketball or not. But the kid can shoot.

[nedleeds]

1) The Front Office is betting on the future. It's not a win-now move.

Um. No it's the exact opposite. If they traded a veteran for Reddish it would no be a win now move. The not win now would have been any of the following

* make the pick
* trade the pick forward near or on draft night to another team looking to move around and pick up additional picks
* package the pick with our pick and the Dallas pick to move up ourselves and get a player we've scouted and like

2) The fact he is the former teammate of RJ can be a sign RJ is near untouchable in the roster construction.

They spent 4 months together doing nothing spectacular 3 years ago. Trading for one of the worst shooting players from that draft who has largely been awful affecting the tradeable status of another player is a reach.

3) We have a logjam in the wings now (RJ, Evan, Burks, IQ, Grimes, and Cam) and no starting PG. We can wait for consolidation trades soon.

Nobody was offering anything near our offer (2 2nds from LA) so I doubt Reddish ends up in a consolidation trade.

The expectation is that we will extend Cam using their bird rights for the 23/24 season.
60/4 for Cam taking advantage of the RFA status

Are you literally a crazy person? This dude has been abyssmal. You are pre-offering him $40 million? What in the **** 9 hells are you talking about? Jesus christ, this is why Knick fans get a reputation for complete delusion about their new players. People cumming in their shorts over 1 legged Kemba was peak. Pre-paying a guy who shot significantly worse than Kevin Knox $40 million is over the cliff and into the river. Holy ****.

2 seconds is kinda near our offer. The late first rounder we sent is so protected that it might turn into 2 seconds if the hornets don’t play well. Plus we also got a 2nd rounder back from them. Our offer might be SLIGHTLY better but hey, that’s why we got the deal and the Lakers didn’t

Knox was leaving for nothing in a few months anyway so not really a factor.

Cam has undoubtedly sucked but there’s still potential for upside as he’s been an above average 3pts shooter this season at 38% which is a tremendous improvement from his first two seasons so he’s at least trending the right way

I guess I value it more until it's used. Like it's a "1st" in a trade to move up. You raise a good point about the Hornets. Right now it's #22. Charlotte is good, but their best players are young so they will be volatile.

But in general a 1st rounder is most valuable before it's used. Once you pick Grimes with it, it's less valuable. I'd just rather have a 3 year runway with whoever we would pick at 22, or the pick equity to use to turn for example

#22, #12 (Knicks), Dallas 2023 -> into #7 let's say ... if our scouts identify a target they love.

That player we'd have 3 years of control over, vs. Reddish who might have a few good games and get an extension in a year.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Brunson turner or fox are most likely the targets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chanel Bomber]

Hopefully you are continuing to work your magic on former Duke players!

You guys start a gofundme and I might consider writing an article.

No article, no good play.

I’d contribute to a crowd fund to buy you a hoodie with a Remington typewriter mounted on front

[KnixtapeH20]

i don't know what this will become but you guys will always defend everything at first to the death. those homer instincts kick in so strong. trading grimes, who has barely played much, would have been absolutely horrible but a pick that, at worst, would be around where grimes was taken is worthless. it's nonsensical.

the homer instinct isn’t so much downplaying the value of the pick (which everyone was saying was worthless ever since draft day) but it’s that grimes is a bit overhyped, that’s just me tho. He seems like a pretty decent shooter and scrappy but he’s also pretty raw and needs a great deal of work. I dunno. Probably ends up like Dotson or something. Not the end of the world if they move him

Like Dotson lol. Name the last Knick or even last NBA player that could hit shots with a hand in his face like it didn't even make a difference.

That drive and dish underneath to Mitch was so elite we haven't seen a knick guard capable of that in idk how long. Again u learn that **** in the hood at playground level and yet it's not so common

[bleedblue3303]

Um. No it's the exact opposite. If they traded a veteran for Reddish it would no be a win now move. The not win now would have been any of the following

* make the pick
* trade the pick forward near or on draft night to another team looking to move around and pick up additional picks
* package the pick with our pick and the Dallas pick to move up ourselves and get a player we've scouted and like




They spent 4 months together doing nothing spectacular 3 years ago. Trading for one of the worst shooting players from that draft who has largely been awful affecting the tradeable status of another player is a reach.



Nobody was offering anything near our offer (2 2nds from LA) so I doubt Reddish ends up in a consolidation trade.



Are you literally a crazy person? This dude has been abyssmal. You are pre-offering him $40 million? What in the **** 9 hells are you talking about? Jesus christ, this is why Knick fans get a reputation for complete delusion about their new players. People cumming in their shorts over 1 legged Kemba was peak. Pre-paying a guy who shot significantly worse than Kevin Knox $40 million is over the cliff and into the river. Holy ****.

2 seconds is kinda near our offer. The late first rounder we sent is so protected that it might turn into 2 seconds if the hornets don’t play well. Plus we also got a 2nd rounder back from them. Our offer might be SLIGHTLY better but hey, that’s why we got the deal and the Lakers didn’t

Knox was leaving for nothing in a few months anyway so not really a factor.

Cam has undoubtedly sucked but there’s still potential for upside as he’s been an above average 3pts shooter this season at 38% which is a tremendous improvement from his first two seasons so he’s at least trending the right way

I guess I value it more until it's used. Like it's a "1st" in a trade to move up. You raise a good point about the Hornets. Right now it's #22. Charlotte is good, but their best players are young so they will be volatile.

But in general a 1st rounder is most valuable before it's used. Once you pick Grimes with it, it's less valuable. I'd just rather have a 3 year runway with whoever we would pick at 22, or the pick equity to use to turn for example

#22, #12 (Knicks), Dallas 2023 -> into #7 let's say ... if our scouts identify a target they love.

That player we'd have 3 years of control over, vs. Reddish who might have a few good games and get an extension in a year.

I think its a great move. There is no law that says we have to resign Reddish. But.. We get to see how he is and what the potential really is. All that for a low pick that may or may not convey in the next couple of years. I am also hoping this mean the End of the Evan, Randle era and people are finally listening to Brock Aller. We are getting younger and building the right way.

[F N 11]

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If you're a salary sheet geek, this means the Knicks got more than the Hawks.

why even send over solomon? Its not as if he was needed to make salary work

I guess they cleared some money and opened up a roster spot.

Hawks have been pretty on the record they need to make a trade and consolidate talent.

Maybe it's Simmons, who knows.

The Hawks were and are ahead of the Knicks rebuild wise, first by getting a frachise like player in Pubic Lollipop, then they were better about drafting, finally, they went in on FA and trades over the last year.

And it's that last part, where they capped out adding players but it hasn't worked, is driving their trades. Also, the regular fact that teams should be trying to flip a few "good" players into a very good/great player.

So, Cam winds up being a spare part to them, where players like Huerter, Hunter, Bog Bog are filling what roles he could fill, and they'd rather not pay him in a year, plus a pick is a cost free asset to flip.

Knicks decided they didn't mind replacing Knox's salary slot with a project who cost them a no cost asset they could have sent elsewhere.

I think the pick DOES convey this year - the Charlotte pick, and Knicks decided they like a chance at unlocking Reddish over who they might draft around 20th or what trade they could put it into.

Regarding a trade - I prefer the Knicks hold picks for big or bigger trades as well.
Knicks might have felt there is a timing issue where the pick conveyed sooner than later they preferred this move
I get there are other smaller but better scenarios that could come up where the Knicks or us wish they had that pick.

Trade is still decent to me.

Time out? We got money from Solomon hill we can basically add in a trade, he won’t play. Lmao Brock Aller special.

[Chanel Bomber]

Hopefully you are continuing to work your magic on former Duke players!

You guys start a gofundme and I might consider writing an article.

No article, no good play.

How about an article for a song?

What type of music. Assuming it fits any genre.

[F N 11]

cam may or may not reach his potential, but it's a good gamble since we gave up practically nothing imo

Plus he fills a need. I don’t know why people crying. We had nobody at his size on the roster that was mobile besides Knox who is not mobile.

[F N 11]

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Brunson turner or fox are most likely the targets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great, nothing is happening now. He’s just riling up the fan base. Boo this man.

[prophet_of_rage]

Knicks fans are too easy to please. Any trade any draft pick and it's full blown green arrow level of enthusiasm. You people have no phucking standards.

That owner for the Giants gets it. They have standards. If they're not met everyone can GTFO.

Knicks fans.. any trade will satisfy us daddy Dolan.

True. I'm not excited about Reddish at all.

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Right back atcha. He was lackadaisical at Duke and Atlanta.

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[Oscirus]

You guys start a gofundme and I might consider writing an article.

No article, no good play.

How about an article for a song?

What type of music. Assuming it fits any genre.

a medieval song played on a mandolin and using autotune

[Oscirus]

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def not playing saturday confirmed

[snadler]

I keep bringing this up with Mitch, if they don't have plans to sign him long term, they don't want to do what the hawks just did with Reddish and sell very low on him, his value has never been higher now that's healthy, I'd really like to see them trade Mitch for Brunson and get 30 games to see Brunson as a pg and see if they are willing to extend, while I beleive they already know they aren't keeping Mitch

Mitch is the only starting center we have, unless one thinks brunson is a starting level pg, that wouldnt be a particularly good trade

Again this trade wouldn't be for this year, if the plan isn't to sign mitch why let him leave for nothing, where as longer term the lack of pg is the glaring weakness, so might as well see if Brunson could be that option.

[DOT]

to really get a sense of who Cam is as a player another follow up trade needs to be made. We really need to clear 24-28 minutes from him. If he is playing the Obi type role for a wing with 5 minute stretches it makes no sense.

Even though the 1st rounder is heavily protected we still shouldn't be throwing it away if we don't have a plan to really see what Cam has.

Yeah, without another move, this trade is perplexing. Trying to put together the rotation once Rose is back, and we assume Kemba is still part of it,

Kemba/Rose
Fournier/Quick
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel

There's just no minutes for Cam. Unless we're going super small and dropping one of Mitch/Noel from the rotation, have Obi be the backup 5, but I think that's unlikely

Only way he gets minutes once everyone is healthy is if we drop Kemba from the rotation entirely and continue to play Burks in the Elfrid Payton role. But even then, Cam would be competing with Grimes for minutes

I'd say it's proof another trade is coming, but we came into the season doing the same thing, with Grimes and McBride. So, I don't know. I think if it doesn't happen by the game tomorrow, it won't happen until the deadline, which is gonna make for a weird month.

[G_K_F]

When was the last time the knicks were able to package picks for a "star" ? Melo?



Cam is better than any player that pick would have conveyed into this year.

Cam Reddish is Atlanta’s version of Kevin Knox. He has more athleticism and is a better defender than Kevin but is very low IQ player who makes terrible decisions on the court. It remains to be seen if Thibodeau will even play him much, let alone get through to him.

Cam Reddish for the Knicks will likely work out about as well as the Mudiay trade.

Hopefully Reddish proves me wrong.

[prophet_of_rage]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

Same as at Duke. You don't go deep because Zion still has no jumpshot can't defend and isn't a great rebounder. But he also takes up all the space inside.

It isn't a good mix.

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They didn’t win at Duke because winning the chip in college is damn near mostly about luck.. you run in to one hot shooting team and your run is over. Wasn’t any thing Zion did. RJ actually foolishly played hero ball at times he shouldn’t and cost Duke a few games

And a playoff series will expose your weaknesses more. We see RJ and Zion in Ingram and Zion. And Cam is neither Lonzo nor even Josh Hart.

It has it's difficulties as a lineup.

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Randle for fox makes toooooo much sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Until you have to watch Fox play against a packed on defence.

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Honestly what’s the difference? We’re so hurt up for a legit PG in his prime, I’d take losing with Fox over losing with Randle any day.

Why? What difference does losing differently with veterans make?

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[j4remi]

to really get a sense of who Cam is as a player another follow up trade needs to be made. We really need to clear 24-28 minutes from him. If he is playing the Obi type role for a wing with 5 minute stretches it makes no sense.

Even though the 1st rounder is heavily protected we still shouldn't be throwing it away if we don't have a plan to really see what Cam has.

Yeah, without another move, this trade is perplexing. Trying to put together the rotation once Rose is back, and we assume Kemba is still part of it,

Kemba/Rose
Fournier/Quick
RJ/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel

There's just no minutes for Cam. Unless we're going super small and dropping one of Mitch/Noel from the rotation, have Obi be the backup 5, but I think that's unlikely

Only way he gets minutes once everyone is healthy is if we drop Kemba from the rotation entirely and continue to play Burks in the Elfrid Payton role. But even then, Cam would be competing with Grimes for minutes

I'd say it's proof another trade is coming, but we came into the season doing the same thing, with Grimes and McBride. So, I don't know. I think if it doesn't happen by the game tomorrow, it won't happen until the deadline, which is gonna make for a weird month.

Keeping Burks at PG would resolve it...I wouldn't like it, but it means Kemba gets dealt and then you start Rose when he gets back.

Rose/Burks
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Reddish
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel

You can flip Burks and IQ in the second unit but they'd basically share the ball-handling like they do now when they're together. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but if Thibs really likes Burks at PG then I guess this could be a rotation he might employ.

But yeah, I much prefer this being the precursor of another move or moves to come...unless those moves suck.