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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1361 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:13 pm

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The thread is about him being the odd man out because of his inability to space the floor. Unlike the Knicks, the Raps lack shooters. We're near dead last in the NBA in terms of 3pt% (Raps 33.9% - Pistons 33.4%).
Knicks are 7th best in the league in that regard. Hence, why Poeltl would be a much better fit on that team.
Poeltl has his strengths - Interior defense, rebounding, decent passer, and finishing at the rim. (Hence, why he's got the league's FG%).
But he also his weaknesses - can't shoot to save his life, can't make a FT.

No one wants him coming off the bench because we literally have no other options at the C. Koloko, our sophomore, was supposed to be our backup C this season but he has some sort of respiratory illness that could potentially be career ending.

It’s not only about his inability to space the floor. Look what your fellow raptors fans are saying.

what's the upside of poetl to be honest. watching nyk i feel like robinson and hartenstein are both better than yak.
feels like the only upside was getting in the playin last year and hoping to bring back the benchmob vibes too many years removed.
he racks up too many fouls, doesn't alter enough shots, doesn't dominate on the glass, can't space the floor, not a grab and go guy, no room for him in the high post, idk man. i know we needed a center but it was a dumb trade.


Poeltl looks terrible out there, benched in 4th quarters against 7 ft C's. Trade was a disaster but the fallout continues.


Poeltl has a defensive rating of 122 in December. That's terrible for an experienced championship piece centre.


He is but will the Narcissist who trade out our first this season and 2 seconds have guts to admit he screwed up and trade Poeltl? Second worse trade in team history and the way Jak is playing not sure many team are interested in that contract for a non shooting big


He hasn't been the solution either. He hasn't provided the necessary rim protection that he was brought in for. He has a -3.9% dgfa around the rim (in SAS he hovered around -10%). Based on contest frequency and dfga% he's not even top 20 (for starters) as far as rim protection is concerned. He's done an above average job as a pnr defender and an average job as a rim protector. His lack of spacing also plays a large part in why our offense sucks (not to mention his terrible ft shooting).

If Poeltl is just going to be a slightly above average defensive C he's not worth the money. He's probably a net negative offensively (on this team). We can't even make great use of his passing and screening because we don't have the shooters to pay that off. Poeltl is not playing at the same level defensively as he was during his last few SAS years and that's who we need him to be to make his contract worth while.

Having a Poeltl-like C on this team doesn't make a lot of sense. He's a fine player but he's a poor fit, just like Schroder is.

And there are some people who want him benched

Now that the big elite center games are out of the way, this would be the perfect 4 game stretch to transition Jak and Dennis out of the SL. Soft schedule, slowly let the roles shift. Get Siakam and Barnes used to them.

We're not going to see it, because coaches are naturally dumb and stubborn about their mistakes, but this would be the time to do it.

Poeltl is not a bad player and I don’t give a damn what the Raptors board think. He is an impact player, a good passer, someone you can really play basketball with.

So you don’t care from people that watch him on a daily basis. lol. Well it’s a good thing the Knicks aren’t going after him anyways. That contract sucks.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1362 » by LookToShoot » Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:31 pm

RJ for OG
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1363 » by nyk2017 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:39 pm

LookToShoot wrote:RJ for OG


He had a good game today. Trade him ASAP while his value is high.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1364 » by KnixinSix » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:06 am

Get one or both of these trades done. Either or both of these players would significantly improve this team:


Markenen is to me almost a perfect fit here. He can play all frontcourt spots and is an improved defender.

1. More efficient shooter than RJ Barrett

2. Can play 3 positions and 2 that are a fairly big need. Stretch 5 and backup to Randle at PF. Can replace some of RJs Minutes at SF.

3. Allow Hart to play more 3 where he is a better fit than the 4.

4. Plays defense, rebounds and can hit the 3.



The trade: Mitchell Robinson, Quickley, Sims, Fournier and 3-4 picks for Markenen and Kelly Olynyk. Ainge is in full tank mode and wants picks most and a young player or 2 to flip:

We STILL have more picks and assets to also do......

RJ, Grimes and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan can play 1 or 2 and we have the taller DD to complement him.

Rough Minutes distribution :

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (8), Olynyk (10)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Markenen (12), Hart(26), DDV (10)

Donovan Mitchell (19), DDV (21), Hart(8)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (14)
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1365 » by sol537 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:23 am

Mitch + RJ + IQ + 2-3 picks for KD + filler

Gives us a title shot this year and next. PHX reboots and builds around younger guys.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1366 » by 8516knicks » Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:14 am

[quote="KnixinSix"]Get one or both of these trades done. Either or both of these players would significantly improve this team:


Markenen is to me almost a perfect fit here. He can play all frontcourt spots and is an improved defender.

1. More efficient shooter than RJ Barrett

2. Can play 3 positions and 2 that are a fairly big need. Stretch 5 and backup to Randle at PF. Can replace some of RJs Minutes at SF.

3. Allow Hart to play more 3 where he is a better fit than the 4.

4. Plays defense, rebounds and can hit the 3.



The trade: Mitchell Robinson, Quickley, Sims, Fournier and 3-4 picks for Markenen and Kelly Olynyk. Ainge is in full tank mode and wants picks most and a young player or 2 to flip:

We STILL have more picks and assets to also do......

RJ, Grimes and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan can play 1 or 2 and we have the taller DD to complement him.

Rough Minutes distribution :

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (8), Olynyk (10)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Markenen (12), Hart(26), DDV (10)

Donovan Mitchell (19), DDV (21), Hart(8)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (14)[/quote


Except you know THibs would have Brun, D Mitch, Marky, Randle all pushing 40 min a game with Hart and IHart not far behind. NO ONE PLAYS near as few as 34 minutes of our best players. 8-)
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1367 » by KnixinSix » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:24 am

8516knicks wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:Get one or both of these trades done. Either or both of these players would significantly improve this team:


Markenen is to me almost a perfect fit here. He can play all frontcourt spots and is an improved defender.

1. More efficient shooter than RJ Barrett

2. Can play 3 positions and 2 that are a fairly big need. Stretch 5 and backup to Randle at PF. Can replace some of RJs Minutes at SF.

3. Allow Hart to play more 3 where he is a better fit than the 4.

4. Plays defense, rebounds and can hit the 3.



The trade: Mitchell Robinson, Quickley, Sims, Fournier and 3-4 picks for Markenen and Kelly Olynyk. Ainge is in full tank mode and wants picks most and a young player or 2 to flip:

We STILL have more picks and assets to also do......

RJ, Grimes and 3 picks for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan can play 1 or 2 and we have the taller DD to complement him.

Rough Minutes distribution :

Hartenstein (30), Markenen (8), Olynyk (10)

Randle (34), Markenen (14)

Markenen (12), Hart(26), DDV (10)

Donovan Mitchell (19), DDV (21), Hart(8)

Brunson (34), Mitchell (14)[/quote


Except you know THibs would have Brun, D Mitch, Marky, Randle all pushing 40 min a game with Hart and IHart not far behind. NO ONE PLAYS near as few as 34 minutes of our best players. 8-)


Hes been better with rotations but you are right he does push the minutes envelope with our best players.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1368 » by Riot Randolph » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:17 am

Im convinced league wide jalen Brunson is underappreciated because he looks like a French bulldog
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1369 » by Signature NYK » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:43 am

RJ IQ 4 picks and 2 pick swaps for Devin Booker
Grimes + Fournier + 2 protected picks for OG

Brunson/Deuce
Book/Donte
OG/Hart
Randle/Hart
Hartenstien/Taj (Mitch next year)
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1370 » by nyk2017 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:55 am

sol537 wrote:Mitch + RJ + IQ + 2-3 picks for KD + filler

Gives us a title shot this year and next. PHX reboots and builds around younger guys.



If you are going to do this then might as well add Booker into the trade and throw in every other pick.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1371 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:29 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:It’s not only about his inability to space the floor. Look what your fellow raptors fans are saying.










And there are some people who want him benched


Poeltl is not a bad player and I don’t give a damn what the Raptors board think. He is an impact player, a good passer, someone you can really play basketball with.

So you don’t care from people that watch him on a daily basis. lol. Well it’s a good thing the Knicks aren’t going after him anyways. That contract sucks.

No, why would I? I can watch players myself, so that’s what I do. Poeltl is quite a smart player. He doesn’t force things that aren’t there.
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Post#1372 » by HopelessKnick » Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:38 am

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HopelessKnick wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274075/Klutch-Sports-Reluctant-To-Work-With-Knicks

Damn I thought getting Rose would open up possibilities at numerous stars but I am mainly reading about this and that star not wanting to join the Knicks because of this agency stuff.....seems to have made things more complicated than making it easier?

Wasn't sure whether this is deserving of it's own thread or not but I find all this concerning to be honest.....Can someone post a list of what players are at what agencies etc.? Wasn't the whole reasoning behind bringing Leon here to be more of a player in trades/FA signings etc.---it seems with the lawsuit going on Toronto does not want to work with knicks, LaVine didn't want to join knicks based on reports due to agency stuff and now same reports surface about DJM.

Now I don't mind not getting Lavine or DJM but it is concerning that the variable of sports agency seems to be another obstacle for the knicks to overcome in the acquisition of star players.....


By the end of the day, do the agents work for their players, or do the players work for their agents?


I wonder how it ultimately works out really.....I mean players (as all humans) can be heavily influenced by their close representatives...so even if a player may generally like the idea of joining the Knicks, if the agent goes on a heavy "Discouraging spree" he may successfully disuade the player from joining the Knicks.....For a player to end up on a certain team you need some level of consent and cooperation by many parties, agents are important here.
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Post#1373 » by JBreezeNY » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:37 pm

Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??
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Post#1374 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:09 pm

I hate KD but if he's on the market, we gotta consider getting him. He's a beta but he's a great Pippen.
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Post#1375 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:10 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??


Damn Lauri went from the dysfunction of Chicago to the tanking of the Jazz to being better than Devin Booker to somehow able to transform the Knicks into championship caliber.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1376 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:11 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Poeltl is not a bad player and I don’t give a damn what the Raptors board think. He is an impact player, a good passer, someone you can really play basketball with.

So you don’t care from people that watch him on a daily basis. lol. Well it’s a good thing the Knicks aren’t going after him anyways. That contract sucks.

No, why would I? I can watch players myself, so that’s what I do. Poeltl is quite a smart player. He doesn’t force things that aren’t there.


I feel you man. I've been telling these fools... JORDAN POOLE.

All these guys, all they do is watch Shaqtin a Fool and looking at the stat sheet and reading the Wizards forum and crap like that.

Nah man. EYE test. Jordan POOLE.
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Post#1377 » by DaGawd » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:27 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??

ain’t no way you just put lauri ahead of book lol
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1378 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:52 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274075/Klutch-Sports-Reluctant-To-Work-With-Knicks

Damn I thought getting Rose would open up possibilities at numerous stars but I am mainly reading about this and that star not wanting to join the Knicks because of this agency stuff.....seems to have made things more complicated than making it easier?

Wasn't sure whether this is deserving of it's own thread or not but I find all this concerning to be honest.....Can someone post a list of what players are at what agencies etc.? Wasn't the whole reasoning behind bringing Leon here to be more of a player in trades/FA signings etc.---it seems with the lawsuit going on Toronto does not want to work with knicks, LaVine didn't want to join knicks based on reports due to agency stuff and now same reports surface about DJM.

Now I don't mind not getting Lavine or DJM but it is concerning that the variable of sports agency seems to be another obstacle for the knicks to overcome in the acquisition of star players.....


By the end of the day, do the agents work for their players, or do the players work for their agents?


I wonder how it ultimately works out really.....I mean players (as all humans) can be heavily influenced by their close representatives...so even if a player may generally like the idea of joining the Knicks, if the agent goes on a heavy "Discouraging spree" he may successfully disuade the player from joining the Knicks.....For a player to end up on a certain team you need some level of consent and cooperation by many parties, agents are important here.


I think it depends on the reasons agents can dissuade a player from joining some team.

The agent can dissuade if they tell the player that the team does not keep their word, treats the players badly, does not have a good coaching staff or medical staff, does not have updated training equipment, etc.

However, I do not think the agents can dissuade the player from joining a team saying the team" 's front office is their competitor and the signing could harm the agent's financial gain.
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Post#1379 » by JBreezeNY » Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:32 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??


Damn Lauri went from the dysfunction of Chicago to the tanking of the Jazz to being better than Devin Booker to somehow able to transform the Knicks into championship caliber.

DaGawd wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??

ain’t no way you just put lauri ahead of book lol

Did I say Lauri was better than Devin Booker?
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1380 » by DaGawd » Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:35 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??


Damn Lauri went from the dysfunction of Chicago to the tanking of the Jazz to being better than Devin Booker to somehow able to transform the Knicks into championship caliber.

DaGawd wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:Lauri the only player we should be focused on getting.

It’s too many lateral moves and moves that don’t make us championship ready in here. Murray? Booker? OG??

ain’t no way you just put lauri ahead of book lol

Did I say Lauri was better than Devin Booker?

well maybe you didn’t exactly say he was better but that what was implied you claimed lauri was the only non lateral move and grouped booker in with the likes of murray and og as being that
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