More Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It’s true, but I notice that this has become a risk with so many if not all players. Everybody misses so many games. Look at Butler, PG, Kawhi, Randle, Morant, Ingram, it’s everywhere. Not just OG.

And then when there is someone like Bridges or DeRozan, people will still find something to discredit them.

Those guys are stars, Mitch is not that, he's a backup big that misses 30-40 games a year and has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs. It's time to move on from him, especially if we're going to be giving OG a long term deal, you can't have two injury prone guys on the roster. If we're going to play the Russian roulette game of "when will he get hurt" at least do it with OG who has much higher upside.

Mitch is exactly the type of big man we need when facing guys like Embiid. Given our division and potential playoffs as well as his cheap contract, you keep him if you can.

And he's exactly the type of big man the Celtics eat alive, if he's even healthy.

You guys keep talking about how cheap his contract is, and it's not cheap when he doesn't play. He has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs, that dead money could be used on someone who actually plays. He has missed more games than Embiid and Kristaps the last 4 seasons.

[thebuzzardman]

I warned y’all.

Everyone but Knicks fans knows we gotta trade Mitch
Or Let Ihart walk for nothing

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too good to be true, Mitch values should be a late pick.

That trade sucks too. #6 in this draft is like 20 in any other draft. And Nance sucks harder than Kennard.

[Synciere]

Those guys are stars, Mitch is not that, he's a backup big that misses 30-40 games a year and has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs. It's time to move on from him, especially if we're going to be giving OG a long term deal, you can't have two injury prone guys on the roster. If we're going to play the Russian roulette game of "when will he get hurt" at least do it with OG who has much higher upside.

Mitch is exactly the type of big man we need when facing guys like Embiid. Given our division and potential playoffs as well as his cheap contract, you keep him if you can.

And he's exactly the type of big man the Celtics eat alive, if he's even healthy.

You guys keep talking about how cheap his contract is, and it's not cheap when he doesn't play. He has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs, that dead money could be used on someone who actually plays. He has missed more games than Embiid and Kristaps the last 4 seasons.

I’m in favor of keeping both he and Hartenstein for those very reasons, because they do have different complementing styles. Mitch is young enough that you can’t assume he’ll be hurt every year. If Boston and Philly used that logic they wouldn’t have bothered with Embiid and Kristaps. That’s the beauty of his deal; if you’re going to risk a deal on someone deemed injury prone, then at least do it cheaply. It’s not dead money either, because the money saved on his deal allows for more depth in other areas of the team. We lose Mitch and we’re a worse team imo.

[thebuzzardman]

Any other washed up players the Knicks are considering?

[KnixinSix]

If PG is willing to take less money and facilitate a trade to NY and we keep our main core you have to do it imo. Like others have pointed out it simply isn't possible if PG is getting his $48mil max... but if he's getting less it makes it possible.

Say PG opts out and then sign and trade starting at 38 mil a year the first year (Clips can still offer him 8% raises iirc in this scenario)

Bojan Deuce and Mitch equate to $38 this year

PG year 1 - $38mil
PG year 2 - $41.04mil
PG year 3 - $44.32mil
PG year 4 - $47.87mil

He'd be turning down $221.1 over 5 years (Which LAC apparently isnt willing to offer him...)
And receiving $171.23 over 4 years. Thats roughly $50 mil but seemingly a better shot at a title in an easier conference.

Thats PG leaving ALOT of money on the table to go East and join a new team. But he is CAA...

PG
for
Mitch Deuce Bojan + 3 picks

As for the Knicks cap sheet (Before Brunson and Randle extensions but after Ihart and OG re-signings)

Brunson ($24.9mil)
PG ($38mil)
OG ($37.5mil)
Randle ($30.3mil)
iHart ($16.1mil)
Donte ($11.4mil)
Hart ($18.1mil)

Thats $176 mil on 7 roster spots.
Thats not including cap holds

Luxury Tax is $171 mil
First Apron is $178.655 mil
Second Apron is $189.486mil

I hope my math was right here lol but a PG trade without Randle is possible we'd just need him to play ball and force the clippers hands a bit. Would be able to use the exceptions? Not sure what the cap holds charge would be against the cap. Cap gurus lmk if im off base here please!

I am not sure if this is how the math would work but I would hope the idea is they would only do it if they keep Randle.

Because PG is a potentially a very strong Thibs system fit but I don't love the risk factor (age/injury). However, I think this team would be incredible if most key guys stayed healthy.

Mitch (15M), Bogey(19M), Achiwa(6.2M), DQuan Jeffries(2.5M), Diakite(2.3M) equals around 46M and some FRPs is a strong package to put around Kawhi and Harden. It solidifies them.That is still a very competitive team. We would then either use draft picks for depth or Aller would maybe figure out a way to get us a vet depth addition.

If he'd only cost around 38 like SigNYK's scenario above then it becomes even easier.


Rough Minute Distribution:
I-Hart(33), Draft Pick(10), Sims(5)
Randle(30), PG13(8), Hart (10)
OG(32), PG13(12), Hart(4)
PG13(12), DDV (25), Hart(11)
Brunson(32), McBride(16)

[douggood]

If PG is willing to take less money and facilitate a trade to NY and we keep our main core you have to do it imo. Like others have pointed out it simply isn't possible if PG is getting his $48mil max... but if he's getting less it makes it possible.

Say PG opts out and then sign and trade starting at 38 mil a year the first year (Clips can still offer him 8% raises iirc in this scenario)

Bojan Deuce and Mitch equate to $38 this year

PG year 1 - $38mil
PG year 2 - $41.04mil
PG year 3 - $44.32mil
PG year 4 - $47.87mil

He'd be turning down $221.1 over 5 years (Which LAC apparently isnt willing to offer him...)
And receiving $171.23 over 4 years. Thats roughly $50 mil but seemingly a better shot at a title in an easier conference.

Thats PG leaving ALOT of money on the table to go East and join a new team. But he is CAA...

PG
for
Mitch Deuce Bojan + 3 picks

As for the Knicks cap sheet (Before Brunson and Randle extensions but after Ihart and OG re-signings)

Brunson ($24.9mil)
PG ($38mil)
OG ($37.5mil)
Randle ($30.3mil)
iHart ($16.1mil)
Donte ($11.4mil)
Hart ($18.1mil)

Thats $176 mil on 7 roster spots.
Thats not including cap holds

Luxury Tax is $171 mil
First Apron is $178.655 mil
Second Apron is $189.486mil

I hope my math was right here lol but a PG trade without Randle is possible we'd just need him to play ball and force the clippers hands a bit. Would be able to use the exceptions? Not sure what the cap holds charge would be against the cap. Cap gurus lmk if im off base here please!

- in a sign and trade the max raise is only 5%
- acquiring a player in a sign and trade hard caps a team at the first apron
- he is not eligible for 5 year deal with clippers cause of the over 38 rule, just 4 year max
- they are willing to match the kawhi deal which is 3 year $155 vs the 4 year $165ish you propose.

and with your own math you see that 7 players make $176 mil, and hard cap would be at $178

[SARGO127]

Castle was made to play for Thibs. I would be so pumped if we could land him.

[Guano]

Hartenstein, at this moment, is now generally expected to return to New York, as the Knicks have contacted opposing teams about Mitchell Robinson, sources said.

Per Jake Fischer

sham ducking NoDope

[TheGreenArrow]

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It’s clear as day Jake is getting all his info From the 76ers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Specifically Darryl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Mitch is exactly the type of big man we need when facing guys like Embiid. Given our division and potential playoffs as well as his cheap contract, you keep him if you can.

And he's exactly the type of big man the Celtics eat alive, if he's even healthy.

You guys keep talking about how cheap his contract is, and it's not cheap when he doesn't play. He has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs, that dead money could be used on someone who actually plays. He has missed more games than Embiid and Kristaps the last 4 seasons.

I’m in favor of keeping both he and Hartenstein for those very reasons, because they do have different complementing styles. Mitch is young enough that you can’t assume he’ll be hurt every year. If Boston and Philly used that logic they wouldn’t have bothered with Embiid and Kristaps. That’s the beauty of his deal; if you’re going to risk a deal on someone deemed injury prone, then at least do it cheaply. It’s not dead money either, because the money saved on his deal allows for more depth in other areas of the team. We lose Mitch and we’re a worse team imo.

Their styles are the same in the grand scheme of things, neither can score for themselves or shoot which hurts you the further you go in the plahoffs. You cannot compare Mitch to Kristaps and Embiid, one is a former MVP and the other is the rarest player type which is floor spacing rim protector. You wait on guys like them, you don't sit around waiting for a rim runner that has played 193 games in 4 years. If we're going to have an injury prone player limit it to one, which is OG because he is a true difference maker. We cannot have a team with two guys that miss 30 games a year, back to your Kristaps/Embiid comparison, that's like them playing with Derrick Rose.


One guy missing a ton of time is enough, that would be OG

[3toheadmelo]

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She called it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ingram to the Knicks may be possible after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

damn we getting zion finally

If we trade Mitchell and get Ingram in return that’s like some kind of marvel vs capcom combo by melo on shammgod

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Hartenstein, at this moment, is now generally expected to return to New York, as the Knicks have contacted opposing teams about Mitchell Robinson, sources said.

Per Jake Fischer

sham ducking NoDope

I'm pulling up on sham's block if that happens.

[sol537]

Mitch plus #38 for Patrick Williams plus #11

Who says no?

Mitch, Derozan, Giddey, Dusomnu, White gets them to playin… their ultimate goal haha

[Knicksfan1992]

David Griffin is a moron if he thinks combining Mitch and Zion is a recipe for success but I could have probably just kept it at "David Griffin is a moron"

[WargamesX]

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It’s clear as day Jake is getting all his info From the 76ers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Specifically Darryl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could definitely see Morey wanting to cause chaos amongst the Knicks or just the fanbase. We could potentially be competing for PG. Hell it could all just be based on them wanting to take attention off the fact PG might not go there after they been talking about it for weeks.

[Signature NYK]

If PG is willing to take less money and facilitate a trade to NY and we keep our main core you have to do it imo. Like others have pointed out it simply isn't possible if PG is getting his $48mil max... but if he's getting less it makes it possible.

Say PG opts out and then sign and trade starting at 38 mil a year the first year (Clips can still offer him 8% raises iirc in this scenario)

Bojan Deuce and Mitch equate to $38 this year

PG year 1 - $38mil
PG year 2 - $41.04mil
PG year 3 - $44.32mil
PG year 4 - $47.87mil

He'd be turning down $221.1 over 5 years (Which LAC apparently isnt willing to offer him...)
And receiving $171.23 over 4 years. Thats roughly $50 mil but seemingly a better shot at a title in an easier conference.

Thats PG leaving ALOT of money on the table to go East and join a new team. But he is CAA...

PG
for
Mitch Deuce Bojan + 3 picks

As for the Knicks cap sheet (Before Brunson and Randle extensions but after Ihart and OG re-signings)

Brunson ($24.9mil)
PG ($38mil)
OG ($37.5mil)
Randle ($30.3mil)
iHart ($16.1mil)
Donte ($11.4mil)
Hart ($18.1mil)

Thats $176 mil on 7 roster spots.
Thats not including cap holds

Luxury Tax is $171 mil
First Apron is $178.655 mil
Second Apron is $189.486mil

I hope my math was right here lol but a PG trade without Randle is possible we'd just need him to play ball and force the clippers hands a bit. Would be able to use the exceptions? Not sure what the cap holds charge would be against the cap. Cap gurus lmk if im off base here please!

- in a sign and trade the max raise is only 5%
- acquiring a player in a sign and trade hard caps a team at the first apron
- he is not eligible for 5 year deal with clippers cause of the over 38 rule, just 4 year max
- they are willing to match the kawhi deal which is 3 year $155 vs the 4 year $165ish you propose.

and with your own math you see that 7 players make $176 mil, and hard cap would be at $178

Ahh thank you!

[WargamesX]

I warned y’all.

Everyone but Knicks fans knows we gotta trade Mitch
Or Let Ihart walk for nothing

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too good to be true, Mitch values should be a late pick.

That trade sucks too. #6 in this draft is like 20 in any other draft. And Nance sucks harder than Kennard.

The Pelicans don’t even have the 6th pick. It’s a The hornets pick and Nance plays for the Pelicans.

Why do we fall for Knicks for Click every year?

[dakomish23]

Dumbass Brooklyn Nets would still say no

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[3toheadmelo]

Those guys are stars, Mitch is not that, he's a backup big that misses 30-40 games a year and has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs. It's time to move on from him, especially if we're going to be giving OG a long term deal, you can't have two injury prone guys on the roster. If we're going to play the Russian roulette game of "when will he get hurt" at least do it with OG who has much higher upside.

Mitch is exactly the type of big man we need when facing guys like Embiid. Given our division and potential playoffs as well as his cheap contract, you keep him if you can.

And he's exactly the type of big man the Celtics eat alive, if he's even healthy.

You guys keep talking about how cheap his contract is, and it's not cheap when he doesn't play. He has been hurt in 2/3 playoff runs, that dead money could be used on someone who actually plays. He has missed more games than Embiid and Kristaps the last 4 seasons.

rim runners starting to be phased out of the league. utah apparently wants to get rid of walker kessler too.

[3toheadmelo]

Dumbass Brooklyn Nets would still say no

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good because giving up 6 picks for mikal is wild