[Camelo Thread Part 11] - Knicks make offer? Pg 82

[Futureisnow]

I think someone nailed it earlier when they said we're going to have to trade Gallo for picks to use in this trade. DEN has no interest in him.

But another team might like Gallo more than picks. Look he has been compared to a young Dirk, and I don't really agree with that, but I know people are very high on him around the NBA. I am sure we can find someone who either likes Gallo more than a couple first-round picks that we can send to Denver, or we can find someone who likes Mayo in the deal, and make it work for Denver.

More than picks? What could we realistically get that's more valuable than picks? Are you talking OJ Mayo here or are you talking someone else?

[putiger78]

Can the Knicks find a way to get Stephen Curry and then package him with AR for #1 pick, and some change for Melo?

No

[Pharmcat]

Can the Knicks find a way to get Stephen Curry and then package him with AR for #1 pick, and some change for Melo?

GS wont trade him for anything we have, he is highly valued

[Pharmcat]

i think moocow's LAC trade idea is the only feasible option

the rest have holes:

1) den doesnt want them (mayo)
2) the contract is too short and requires re-upping them (chandler)

[GONYK]

Can the Knicks find a way to get Stephen Curry and then package him with AR for #1 pick, and some change for Melo?

Is this a real question?

[atribecalledrch]

So, Donnie offered both Chandler and Fields - and that wasn't enough? Hang up the phone, walk away from the table.

No it wasnt enough. That was a play play offer. Money doesnt even match up. No Curry? It seems Walsh doesn't even want to make a deal.

[Knickplaya]

Someone has to want Gallo more than Denver. Isn't Gallo more valuable than two (non-top ten) first-round draft picks??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? You can buy a first-round pick in the twenties for 3 M.

[ophdog]

So, Donnie offered both Chandler and Fields - and that wasn't enough? Hang up the phone, walk away from the table.

i agree with everything going on im surprised landry was in the first offer if they didnt jump on that we should walk.

[duetta]

It seems Walsh doesn't even want to make a deal.

Let's hope you're right.

[NYK_Lampe]

So, Donnie offered both Chandler and Fields - and that wasn't enough? Hang up the phone, walk away from the table.

No it wasnt enough. That was a play play offer. Money doesnt even match up. No Curry? It seems Walsh doesn't even want to make a deal.

Im assuming Curry wasnt mentioned becasue its obvious he is included in any Melo deal to make it work lol

[ophdog]

So, Donnie offered both Chandler and Fields - and that wasn't enough? Hang up the phone, walk away from the table.

No it wasnt enough. That was a play play offer. Money doesnt even match up. No Curry? It seems Walsh doesn't even want to make a deal.

lol curry is in any knick trade for Melo all know that. Seriously if they turned down fields and chandler and a first with no leverage and nobody giving us competition now there is no way they deal him period. They must seriously think they have mj in his prime.

[Guy986]

Does that though? If Melo walks, where do the Rockets go from there? Fewer assets and no high pick. Sure you would have cap space, but you have that with Yao leaving anyway. I just don't get it from the Rockets perspective. Assuming the Rockets get Melo without giving up a lot of what makes the Rockets good now, the Rockets still aren't getting past the Lakers, Spurs or Mavs. Doesn't make sense to me, but who knows. -Jitpal

The answer lies in the bolded part. It all depends on what the cost is. No one knows what Morey is willing to give. As I stated earlier, this dude always comes out of left field so it doesn't make much sense to try to guess what he is giving (not trying to be smart, just saying he is always doing stuff no one would have guessed).

All I'm saying is all signs point to us being interested even without an extension, and we have the assets to beat lowball offers from NY. Full value offers....I'm not si sure about.

I don't think you understand my point. Let's, for argument's sake, say that the Rockets are able to trade Yao's expiring deal and the Knicks 2012 1st for Melo. That's the deal. Nothing else. Are the Rockets with that squad getting past the Mavs, Spurs or Lakers? My opinion is no, I'm curious to hear yours.

Then, the following season, when Melo inevitably leaves where do the Rockets go? You have the same cap space as you would have before with just Yao leaving. Your own pick for the 2010-2011 season is worse, because you played better with Melo. Plus, you've given up the Knicks 2012 pick. Leaving you with fewer assets and the same cap space as you would have anyway. Where do the Rockets go? -Jitpal

Morey is banking on using his charm and jedi mind trick to convince Melo to stay if the Rockets acquire his service without an extension. Maybe he can work out a sign and trade with the Knicks if Carmelo Anthony is determined to leave money on the table. That way he can get something back. Who knows what the free agent situation is going to be like after a new collective bargaining agreement.

[atribecalledrch]

It seems Walsh doesn't even want to make a deal.

Let's hope you're right.

I hope so too but it just seems too obvious. Remember the first offer? Gallo, Curry and a first? That was one of those," Eh, well it's on my lap. Umm do you think you would take this?" kind of deals. He knows what he has to do and he's not doing it because he doesn't want to give up the youth well all he has to do is look at Portland. Team oozing with youth and talent and no health. Gallo has already shown he doesn't have the durability he could have. If he offered Gallo, Fields, AR, and the 1st the Nuggets would at least say hmm. That;s another reason why I don't think the Nugegts even want to deal with us. They are now like, " Ahh sh*t now we have to deal with Walsh again." because they know he's being frugal.

[kingmalaki]

I don't think you understand my point. Let's, for argument's sake, say that the Rockets are able to trade Yao's expiring deal and the Knicks 2012 1st for Melo. That's the deal. Nothing else. Are the Rockets with that squad getting past the Mavs, Spurs or Lakers? My opinion is no, I'm curious to hear yours.

No to LA. The other teams I'm not sure. The Rockets lack a defensive big and someone to close games. After that trade our lineup would be:

C-Miller/Hayes
PF-Scola/Hill/Patterson
SF-Melo/Battier/Budinger
SG-Martin/Lee/Williams
PG-Brooks/Lowry

That's a very good team. I wouldn't be surprised to see that team make a run for the WCF's. You are basically adding Melo to a squad that went 42-40 last year, with no closer. And the team still has redundant pieces and TE's to obtain another big. Don't forget Brooks has missed 24 games this season.

Then, the following season, when Melo inevitably leaves where do the Rockets go? You have the same cap space as you would have before with just Yao leaving.

This isn't true. Yao counts as a caphold until his rights are renounced.

Your own pick for the 2010-2011 season is worse, because you played better with Melo. Plus, you've given up the Knicks 2012 pick. Leaving you with fewer assets and the same cap space as you would have anyway. Where do the Rockets go? -Jitpal

That's assuming Melo says forget my money, and just walks to NY to sign for less. I'm not saying he won't. I personally think he will want his money. The team would be hedging that they could get something from NY or whoever he signs with. So you are leaving that potential haul out of your equation, which could include a player, a large TE or draft rights. Capspace allows you to get free agents, asusming you can convince them to sign with you. A large TE allows you to get good players that a team wants to get rid of, ala Al Jefferson last summer. Wouldn't it be better to have capspace and a large TE?

[Siem]

Not to sound cocky, but who Is Denver to be turning down deals from us anyhow...I hope Donnie laughs at them, Like fine we'll get him and u dumb@$$es wont get Nada. We got the leverage, so Who cares what Den.Wants.

[ijag23]

Broussard: Melo will be a Knick.

[ITGM]

Broussard: Melo will be a Knick.

[darthkiller]

Broussard: Melo will be a Knick.

but he is chris brouTARD

[nykinoz]

This is going to take a 3 team or 4 team trade, you can bet your life on that.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Broussard: Melo will be a Knick.

When did he say that?