Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[TrueWarrior]

Williams is the "safer" choice.. He does his one thing [3s] good, goes about it quietly.. No real surprises...

Crawford certainly comes with more things to deal with, more of a loose cannon.. But more talent too, more of boost you can rely on if we're lacking or Melo/Stat were to go down..

Good breakdown.

Basically Shawne is a good player to give us 10-15 mpg (which is all hes going to really get behind Amare and Melo) but anything more and theres trouble. He cant dribble. He cant pass. He cant really do anything on offense besides spot up from deep. He gives good effort on D but hes not the fastest or strongest guy in the world so he has some issues there. Purp is who he is, a decent 8th-10th man end of the rotation guy. Nothing to lose sleep over. I like his heart though.

However anybody who would take Purp over Jamal/Baron is just playing it safe to me. When Amare or Melo came out of the game last year our offense went to shish kabob. Purp didnt help there. Now that we dont have Billups we need another scorer badly despite what some keep saying. Jamal and Baron fit that bill, and getting them cheap makes it even more obvious. Otherwise we're relying on Toney, Landry, Bibby, and Iman too much.

Adding a proven veteran scorer/playmaker is obviously the top of our list. If it wasnt we would have just signed Purp already. Grunwald knows the deal.

[Thugger HBC]

Williams is the "safer" choice.. He does his one thing [3s] good, goes about it quietly.. No real surprises...

Crawford certainly comes with more things to deal with, more of a loose cannon.. But more talent too, more of boost you can rely on if we're lacking or Melo/Stat were to go down..

Good breakdown.

Basically Shawne is a good player to give us 10-15 mpg (which is all hes going to really get behind Amare and Melo) but anything more and theres trouble. He cant dribble. He cant pass. He cant really do anything on offense besides spot up from deep. He gives good effort on D but hes not the fastest or strongest guy in the world so he has some issues there. Purp is who he is, a decent 8th-10th man end of the rotation guy. Nothing to lose sleep over. I like his heart though.

However anybody who would take Purp over Jamal/Baron is just playing it safe to me. When Amare or Melo came out of the game last year our offense went to shish kabob. Purp didnt help there. Now that we dont have Billups we need another scorer badly despite what some keep saying. Jamal and Baron fit that bill, and getting them cheap makes it even more obvious. Otherwise we're relying on Toney, Landry, Bibby, and Iman too much.

Adding a proven veteran scorer/playmaker is obviously the top of our list. If it wasnt we would have just signed Purp already. Grunwald knows the deal.

QFT.

[ibraheim718]

Williams is the "safer" choice.. He does his one thing [3s] good, goes about it quietly.. No real surprises...

Crawford certainly comes with more things to deal with, more of a loose cannon.. But more talent too, more of boost you can rely on if we're lacking or Melo/Stat were to go down..

Good breakdown.

Basically Shawne is a good player to give us 10-15 mpg (which is all hes going to really get behind Amare and Melo) but anything more and theres trouble. He cant dribble. He cant pass. He cant really do anything on offense besides spot up from deep. He gives good effort on D but hes not the fastest or strongest guy in the world so he has some issues there. Purp is who he is, a decent 8th-10th man end of the rotation guy. Nothing to lose sleep over. I like his heart though.

However anybody who would take Purp over Jamal/Baron is just playing it safe to me. When Amare or Melo came out of the game last year our offense went to shish kabob. Purp didnt help there. Now that we dont have Billups we need another scorer badly despite what some keep saying. Jamal and Baron fit that bill, and getting them cheap makes it even more obvious. Otherwise we're relying on Toney, Landry, Bibby, and Iman too much.

Adding a proven veteran scorer/playmaker is obviously the top of our list. If it wasnt we would have just signed Purp already. Grunwald knows the deal.

Damn... I haven't had a shish kabob in real, real long time. I agree though 100%..

[BeagleBoss]

Williams is the backup SF/PF. An important role but Baron Davis would be a starting PG and Crawful would be a 6th man. I think you can easily find a lot of players who can give you what Williams does.

[RutgersBJJ]

Williams is not the safer choice. He's a great story and I hope he's gotten his act together, but he is the exact opposite of safe. A player who his entire career showed no sign of being a great defender or great shooter and he all of a sudden is a dead-eye 3 point shooter? There really is no way to know if Williams will keep his act clean once he has millions again. Long-term security can force players back to their old-selves rather quickly.

[Huey Freeman]

Williams is the backup SF/PF. An important role but Baron Davis would be a starting PG and Crawful would be a 6th man. I think you can easily find a lot of players who can give you what Williams does.

I think if JC comes he starts. No way they ask him to accept $2.5MM AND be a backup. How can they sell it to him to take such a paycut AND risk not getting a larger contract in 2 years? You have to give the guy "something"....promise him that's he's starting and a minimum amount of minutes. Other than that, he isn't coming.

[Pharmcat]

So the guy who's been crying about the quality of back court/PG that the Knicks have wants them to use the last real money, the exception, on a forward? When that chunk may be the only hope to get anything of quality for the back court he wants them to use it on a back up forward. Which the Knicks have plenty of players in camp who can provide what the guy he wants them to use it on brings.

Some people just bitch for the sake of bitching without even having a coherent reasoning to their bitchfest. Undoubtedly this individual believes they are smarter than the people who have orchestrated a very good off season for the Knicks. Yet contradicts themselves depending on which thread they want to bitch in. LOL!

1) who exactly does NY have in camp that can play the 3/4, hit the 3, and play good D, and knows mike system? mustve missed this player

2) ny has 4 holes: a real pg, sg, a 6th man and a back up F...too bad they blew their cap space on a C the defending champions didnt even bother bringing back...you have 4 holes, the mle next year takes care of PG, knocks down to 3 holes, then its just a matter of whose willing to take the 2.5 mill...i dont think craw will, and i dont think its worth waiting for him to decide and lose shawne and in the end, end up with neither of them

[NoMoreThrees]

if craw comes he starts at sg. we got no sg. why cant some see this. fields aint a sg nor a starter. shumperts is total unknown rookie. but i cant see craw taking 2.5mils.

[TrueWarrior]

Williams is not the safer choice. He's a great story and I hope he's gotten his act together, but he is the exact opposite of safe. A player who his entire career showed no sign of being a great defender or great shooter and he all of a sudden is a dead-eye 3 point shooter? There really is no way to know if Williams will keep his act clean once he has millions again. Long-term security can force players back to their old-selves rather quickly.

Another solid point. It seems Purp has his balls in a row finally but you never know. I wasnt talking so much about his personality/attitude moreso his game though. Posters want to re-sign him because he proved he can hit a three, attempt to defend a little bit, and showed some balls in fights or whatever but his 10-15 mpg is not going to affect our W/L as much as a guy like Baron or Jamal. Our guard play is the biggest question mark as we all know. Backup 3/4 is a need too but farther down the lists of needs.

Perfect world we end up with one of Baron/Jamal and Purp though, so we'll see.

[JimmyDolan]

I heard Grunwald with Francesa. The NYK really want Crawford. Grunwald indicated the Knicks like both Crawford and Williams.

Grunwald interview

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_ur ... cid=CBS.NY

[knicksosmoove]

1) who exactly does NY have in camp that can play the 3/4, hit the 3, and play good D, and knows mike system? mustve missed this player

Um, Carmelo? Shawne is a backup forward. Really so is Fields. Not as necessary as a guard for us.

[Pharmcat]

1) who exactly does NY have in camp that can play the 3/4, hit the 3, and play good D, and knows mike system? mustve missed this player

Um, Carmelo? Shawne is a backup forward. Really so is Fields. Not as necessary as a guard for us.

carmelo is a starter, talking bout the backup F position

[NoMoreThrees]

1) who exactly does NY have in camp that can play the 3/4, hit the 3, and play good D, and knows mike system? mustve missed this player

Um, Carmelo? Shawne is a backup forward. Really so is Fields. Not as necessary as a guard for us.

yup. this is like people not wanting melo cause mozgoz was gunna get traded lol. cant believe anyone wants a backup bench guy over a proven starter when we need a starter where that starter plays. crazy stuff lol

[NoMoreThrees]

1) who exactly does NY have in camp that can play the 3/4, hit the 3, and play good D, and knows mike system? mustve missed this player

Um, Carmelo? Shawne is a backup forward. Really so is Fields. Not as necessary as a guard for us.

carmelo is a starter, talking bout the backup F position

fields is a backup f. so if we got craw then fields go to bench. we also got jeffries which everyone loves. and with chandler here jeffries is backup f too. purp kinda duplicates now.

[knicksosmoove]

1) who exactly does NY have in camp that can play the 3/4, hit the 3, and play good D, and knows mike system? mustve missed this player

Um, Carmelo? Shawne is a backup forward. Really so is Fields. Not as necessary as a guard for us.

carmelo is a starter, talking bout the backup F position

Well that's a luxury we can live without. Fields would be a back up forward if we had a real shooting guard anyway.

[Pharmcat]

fields can play the 4?
thats news to me

[GONYK]

fields can play the 4?
thats news to me

Neither can Shawne

[Thugger HBC]

fields can play the 4?
thats news to me

College 4.

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[RutgersBJJ]

People are acting like this is the same team as last year. Each position only has 48 minutes to be filled. Shawne was so valuable last season because he played center and then played PF when Amar'e would move to center. Now that we actually have a starting center on this team Williams becomes less important and would see his playing time completely slashed.

With Tyson coming and playing at least 30 mpg at center, Amar'e playing 40 mpg at PF, Melo playing 40 mpg at PF there is 32 total mpg available to our bench forwards. Fields would slide to the SF whenever Melo is out, so take way those 8 mpg from the SF position. Leaves 24 mpg for our back-up 4's and 5's. Jeffries is playing at-least 10 minutes per game when we switch to a zone defense, so when would Williams play? This isn't anywhere close to the same team we had last year, the roster structure, playing time, and bench needs are completely different. A player who was great for us last year would be useless for us this year.

I don't see the need for Williams. He's not a need pick-up, he's more of a luxury pick-up than a necessity. Our back-up guards are much more important necessities.

[knicksosmoove]

fields can play the 4?
thats news to me

Are we really arguing shawne versus Jamal?

We'll have amare,Carmelo, fields, and Jeffries as our forwards. Maybe we'll pick up another scrub or keep bill walker. That's fine.