Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

Jan_Sobieski · Post #1381 » by **Jan_Sobieski** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

Lin is such a nice person though.

Stannis · Post #1382 » by **Stannis** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

biglove44 wrote:
Shpati21 wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:What's wrong with what he said?

Not going to lie, but I never liked SAS. He is annoying. In this article, I disagree with him. His Headline for one sucks:

Knicks must let Jeremy Lin go

He is just trying to get attention. Then he flowers his article with trying to give him some credit.

there's nothing wrong with saying he's not chris paul but to say that lin makes as much as chris paul isn't true. Chris Paul has made and is still making a lot more money than lin.

Him comparing Lin to Chris Paul was just stupid. Everyone knows Lin is not on the same level as Chris Paul.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #1383 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

Synciere wrote:Lin's contract would be in the top 80% if it's signed by the Rockets. If it's signed by the Knicks, that 15 million in one year totally degrades the value of that contract. Sure, it'd be an expiring, but we'd still have to take back 15 million in salary, so the tax hit would be the same.

Jeremy has no ELITE skills. He's not an elite playmaker, passer, defender, shooter, or finisher. He is a good basketball player, but the majority of your comparisons are totally arbitrary. Perkins is an ELITE post defender. Wilson Chandler is a better scorer and defender than Lin, and his contract won't cause his owner to have to pay any additional amount in the dozens of millions. Millsap, Conley, Thorton, Gortat, Varejao and Afflalo are all better basketball players at this stage. You stated they do not have Conley and Millsap do not have Lin's upside. Whaaaa? I say Conley for sure has just as high an upside as Lin. He is better in almost all departments except for hype. And again, his contract contains no poison pill.

You can say that keeping Lin makes us better. You can say the Knicks' organization and Cablevision will be more valuable with Lin on board. Hell, you can even say Lin is better than Felton or Kidd or Priogini (sp?). What you can't say is that bringing Lin backs guarantees the Knicks advance in the playoffs. You can't say Lin guarantees us 10 more wins next year. And if not matching him allows us to still sign and trade or gives us additional flexibility, you can't say yet if that is in the best interest of the Knicks. Again I have to ask: Does bringing Lin back SUBSTANTIALLY improve this team as currently constructed? That means you have to include alternate solutions at his position, fit with current personnel, and ability to improve.

I think the answer to that question is clearly that he doesn't improve us much at all now. He may down the line, but by then will Dolan be paying out his a**. If the tax had no impact, why is Fields not a Knickerbocker any longer?

No, that's the whole point. It doesn't help us get any other players or improve our flexibility.

Mr_Perfect · Post #1384 » by **Mr_Perfect** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

Stop referring us to Stephen A Smith articles. The man is garbage.

adjacent2bench · Post #1385 » by **adjacent2bench** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

Red Vines wrote:Nate Jones ‏@JonesOnTheNBA
Would have been interesting to see Lin play on the USAB Select Team. I'm sure guys on the Senior Team would have gone at him tough.

This would have really helped our decision--to see how far along he is.

Since the injury, Lin has been making it really hard to kind of gauge what type of player he can be.

Post #1386 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

Shpati21 wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
Shpati21 wrote:Not going to lie, but I never liked SAS. He is annoying. In this article, I disagree with him. His Headline for one sucks:

Knicks must let Jeremy Lin go

He is just trying to get attention. Then he flowers his article with trying to give him some credit.

So you disagree with what he wrote or just the title of the article?

If it's the former, then you didn't read it.

Hate SAS all you want, but the article is a good one.

FFS, I ready the article you jackass. I disagree that he thinks the Knicks are going the veteran route is a good thing. You have to have a mix of youth in.

the article has nothing to do with the veteran route, but the tax hit in year three.

I'll be the jackass, but at least i read the article, and know what a main idea means.

boomann21 · Post #1387 » by **boomann21** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am

adjacent2bench wrote:Guys...how many more millions of dollars do you think the Knicks will make off Lin, than if he wasn't a Knick?

Can the Knicks really make up that 40 million tax with Lin's marketability?

Were you alive during Linsanity?

Shemy · Post #1388 » by **Shemy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:41 am

[quote="adjacent2bench"]Guys...how many more millions of dollars do you think the Knicks will make off Lin, than if he wasn't a Knick?

Can the Knicks really make up that 40 million tax with Lin's marketability?[/quote]
theres a a billion fvkn ppl who would be ready to buy his jersey

xsaberx · Post #1389 » by **xsaberx** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:41 am

can people call Lin's contract what it is PLEASE
8.2 million a year for 3 years.
He's not getting 15 million for 3 years.
It's not the same at Tyson.
It's one million more than Felton was given the first time we signed him.
There are so many players that make over 8 million a year that are not as good as Lin.
He will be so easy to trade if he doesn't work - he's an incredible asset - a rare player that can bring back more than he is worth on the court

Dakotah612 · Post #1390 » by **Dakotah612** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:41 am

This is what we heard last night, and again just a few min ago from our beatwriter:

Jason Quick ‏@jwquick
Blazers shooter Jon Diebler one of components being talked about going to Knicks in still-unresolved Felton trade

Post #1391 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:42 am

Shpati21 wrote:
biglove44 wrote:
Shpati21 wrote:Not going to lie, but I never liked SAS. He is annoying. In this article, I disagree with him. His Headline for one sucks:

Knicks must let Jeremy Lin go

He is just trying to get attention. Then he flowers his article with trying to give him some credit.

there's nothing wrong with saying he's not chris paul but to say that lin makes as much as chris paul isn't true. Chris Paul has made and is still making a lot more money than lin.

Him comparing Lin to Chris Paul was just stupid. Everyone knows Lin is not on the same level as Chris Paul.

He compared his year three pay on the level of Paul...his pay.

clipse375 · Post #1392 » by **clipse375** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:42 am

Hope people are still b*tching about Melo's comments when he's leading our team to a top seed in the East.

Because his basketball skills on the court mean nothing, it's all about his opinion on Jeremy Lin's contract.. :lol:

Stannis · Post #1393 » by **Stannis** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:42 am

xsaberx wrote:can people call Lin's contract what it is PLEASE
8.2 million a year for 3 years.
He's not getting 15 million for 3 years.
It's not the same at Tyson.
It's one million more than Felton was given the first time we signed him.
There are so many players that make over 8 million a year that are not as good as Lin.
He will be so easy to trade if he doesn't work - he's an incredible asset - a rare player that can bring back more than he is worth on the court

+1

Jay10 · Post #1394 » by **Jay10** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:42 am

Red Vines wrote:Nate Jones ‏@JonesOnTheNBA
Would have been interesting to see Lin play on the USAB Select Team. I'm sure guys on the Senior Team would have gone at him tough.

This would have really helped our decision--to see how far along he is.

Everything is being done to make sure jeremy isn't exposed before he signs his contract.

CoolKids · Post #1395 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:42 am

Shpati21 wrote:Him comparing Lin to Chris Paul was just stupid. Everyone knows Lin is not on the same level as Chris Paul.

Sadly that isnt true :-?

CoolKids · Post #1396 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:43 am

Dakotah612 wrote:This is what we heard last night, and again just a few min ago from our beatwriter:

Jason Quick ‏@jwquick
Blazers shooter Jon Diebler one of components being talked about going to Knicks in still-unresolved Felton trade

Well this changes everything

adjacent2bench · Post #1397 » by **adjacent2bench** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:43 am

boomann21 wrote:
adjacent2bench wrote:Guys...how many more millions of dollars do you think the Knicks will make off Lin, than if he wasn't a Knick?

Can the Knicks really make up that 40 million tax with Lin's marketability?

Were you alive during Linsanity?

Of course, but that 3rd year. Will the hype remain? What if dude falls off terribly?

rocarlos24 · Post #1398 » by **rocarlos24** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:44 am

adjacent2bench wrote:Guys...how many more millions of dollars do you think the Knicks will make off Lin, than if he wasn't a Knick?

Can the Knicks really make up that 40 million tax with Lin's marketability?

from a basketball standpoint ho does that matter?
this franchise hasnt won a chip in 40 years they want to win..

how many players leave great teams on the regular? Well ran organizations do not over pay
unproven players.. veterans that earned it they get there money but 25 games?

lemme see you go to work for 25 days as a Account Exec then say you know what I'm the ish..
make me CEO..

Jay10 · Post #1399 » by **Jay10** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:44 am

CoolKids wrote:
Dakotah612 wrote:This is what we heard last night, and again just a few min ago from our beatwriter:

Jason Quick ‏@jwquick
Blazers shooter Jon Diebler one of components being talked about going to Knicks in still-unresolved Felton trade

Well this changes everything

How?

The trade isn't finalized.

Shemy · Post #1400 » by **Shemy** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:45 am

clipse375 wrote:Hope people are still b*tching about Melo's comments when he's leading our team to a top seed in the East.

Because his basketball skills on the court mean nothing, it's all about his opinion on Jeremy Lin's contract..

what would it matter hed just get pounced outta of the first round again