BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT IN OTHER THREAD) PART II

[CANiLIVE]

Steve Blake, picked #263 last BAT, I get him at #329.
Lou Amundson, picked #247 last BAT, I get him at #332.

I'm very happy with the team I've put around Bosh and Gasol. I think what most people don't like about my team is the Jameer Nelson pick, even though he can run pick and roll all day with Bosh and Gasol considering he ran it with Dwight Howard for 8 years.

And look how far that magic team went, Nelson is not consistent enough year in and year out.

[LJ4pointplay]

Ma$hon's development is key..

[LJ4pointplay]

would really like to move either Beno or Felton... Anyone outside of my big 3 is available though

my priority right now is

1) defensive-minded swingman

2) coach

3) scoring big

LJ4pntply@gmail.com

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[WillyJakkz]

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Are you sure I'm otc bro, I think it's supposed to be 1am as ctorres picked @ 11pm

[br7knicks]

i doubt we'll get to 339, but does anyone wanna take my list?

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Are you sure I'm otc bro, I think it's supposed to be 1am as ctorres picked @ 11pm

My bad, the times weren't "ET". I corrected them now...

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[ctorres]

And look how far that magic team went, Nelson is not consistent enough year in and year out.

Who could I have possibly picked at #122 who would truly be a better option than Nelson?

Felton? Calderon? Harris?

Nelson is way more reliable offensively than Felton. Had I taken Calderon, the argument against him would have been his atrocious defense (Nelson is not the greatest defender, but hes not horrible). Even though Calderon has always shot a high percentage, I'd argue Nelson is much more versatile offensively.

Harris had über talented bigs in Milsap, Jefferson, Favors, and Kanter. He should have been racking up assists and shooting the ball at a high clip, but was barely a factor and ended up being traded to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Calderon had Bosh AND Bargnani and never made it past the first round. I won't argue Nelson took the Magic to the Finals cause I know he came back from injury that series, but in other seasons he's made it to the 2nd round or conference finals. He may not be a champion, but he's more of a winner than Felton and Calderon.

[WillyJakkz]

335 otc 1:01am

[CANiLIVE]

And look how far that magic team went, Nelson is not consistent enough year in and year out.

Who could I have possibly picked at #122 who would truly be a better option than Nelson?

Felton? Calderon? Harris?

Nelson is way more reliable offensively than Felton. Had I taken Calderon, the argument against him would have been his atrocious defense (Nelson is not the greatest defender, but hes not horrible). Even though Calderon has always shot a high percentage, I'd argue Nelson is much more versatile offensively.

Harris had über talented bigs in Milsap, Jefferson, Favors, and Kanter. He should have been racking up assists and shooting the ball at a high clip, but was barely a factor and ended up being traded to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Calderon had Bosh AND Bargnani and never made it past the first round. I won't argue Nelson took the Magic to the Finals cause I know he came back from injury that series, but in other seasons he's made it to the 2nd round or conference finals. He may not be a champion, but he's more of a winner than Felton and Calderon.

You really believe Nelson is a better option then Calderon? Look how many dimes Calderon droped with nobody on the skill level of bosh and marc.

How is Nelson much more versatile then Calderon? Did Nelson get a post game or something because last time i checked Calderon can do everything Nelson can plus pass much much better.

[Fury]

Wait a sec, wtf happened? Why couldn't Grinditout pick Martell Webster

[ctorres]

How is Nelson much more versatile then Calderon? Did Nelson get a post game or something because last time i checked Calderon can do everything Nelson can plus pass much much better.

Nelson is better than Calderon at penetrating, breaking down a defense, and creating his own shot than Calderon. Calderon may be a bit more on point with his passing and running set plays, but you would be much more inclined to find Nelson under the hoop dishing it off for either Gasol or Bosh to finish than finding Calderon there.

[Fury]

Wait a sec, wtf happened? Why couldn't Grinditout pick Martell Webster

I think I got it. I picked Vesely cause Chris Paul gonna throw alleys all day.

[CANiLIVE]

How is Nelson much more versatile then Calderon? Did Nelson get a post game or something because last time i checked Calderon can do everything Nelson can plus pass much much better.

Nelson is better than Calderon at penetrating, breaking down a defense, and creating his own shot than Calderon. Calderon may be a bit more on point with his passing and running set plays, but you would be much more inclined to find Nelson under the hoop dishing it off for either Gasol or Bosh to finish than finding Calderon there.

Come on man, Calderon is a way better PG then Nelson. Calderon has been one of the most underrated pg's in the league for a while. There's a reason why that team had its best year with nelson on the bench, turk ran the pnr better. Calderon would've fit your team perfectly, he drives just as good, shoots the long ball better, cheaper, shoots a better ft% and he avg 9 dimes last year he could easly put up 10 with marc and bosh down low. I don't see how its close.

[ctorres]

There's a reason why that team had its best year with nelson on the bench

In the 42 games that Nelson played that season before he went out due to injury, the Magic were 32 and 10 (.762 winning percentage). In the 40 games that Nelson was out, the Magic were 27 and 13 (.692 winning percentage). The Magic were killing it during the regular season WITH Nelson.

shoots the long ball better

Nelson shoots a better percentage and attempts more threes per game than Calderon.

Career 3-point shooting percentages and attempts
Jameer Nelson: 38.8% off 3.0 attempts per game
Jose Calderon: 38.1% off 2.1 attempts per game

shoots a better ft%

he drives just as good

I'll give you that he shoots a better ft%, but Nelson still shoots over 80% and he gets to the line more than Calderon, which clearly tells me that Calderon does not drive as well as Nelson. I rather have the player who shoots an above average free throw percentage AND gets to the line.

Career free throw shooting percentages and attempts
Jameer Nelson: 80.8% off 2.1 attempts per game
Jose Calderon: 87.5% off 1.6 attempts per game

cheaper

Calderon makes $2 million more than Nelson next season.

'12-'13 Salaries
Jameer Nelson: $8.6 million
Jose Calderon: $10.6 million

I will give you that Calderon has averaged 2.0 more apg than Nelson over the course of his career and averaged 3.1 more apg than him last season. However, I argue that Nelson's style of play would produce better results on my team than Calderon, regardless of how many assists Calderon could average.

[CANiLIVE]

Theres no convincing me Nelson is better pg then Jose. Mind you Jose is playing on a below avg team, mind you Nelson had Dwight Anderson etc.

Your really gonna tell me Nelson makes his teammates better then Jose?

Nelson contract is 3 years 25 mill

Jose contract is 1 year 10 mill

[ctorres]

I can accept you finding Calderon to be better than Nelson at SOME facets of the game. However, I do not agree with you trying to pass certain statements as facts when there is evidence that clearly suggests otherwise. It's an unfair judgment on Nelson.

The high assist numbers and low turnovers for Calderon are fool's gold IMO. He gets most of them off "safe" passes to long range two point jumpers (low percentage shots and the least effective in the league), not from setting up easy baskets inside the paint or kick outs from driving and dishing to three point shooters (which is how Nelson gets his assists and EXACLY what a Bosh/Gasol team with shooters calls for). Calderon's assists are mildly effective.

Sure, you have an argument that Nelson played with Dwight Howard, the best big man in the game. However, Calderon played with BOTH Bargnani and Bosh for four years and has only two first round exits to show for it.

Also, in BAT salaries, we've always been judged more so on salary for the current season than salaries in future seasons.

[br7knicks]

336 picked at 317
337 skipped at 517
338 skipped at 717
i'm up with 339


bucks select 339, Larry Drew, at 8:05 EST.

[TDJacksonville]

Theres no convincing me Nelson is better pg then Jose. Mind you Jose is playing on a below avg team, mind you Nelson had Dwight Anderson etc.

Your really gonna tell me Nelson makes his teammates better then Jose?

Nelson contract is 3 years 25 mill

Jose contract is 1 year 10 mill

nelsons salary isnt announced bro. thats the rumoured deal.

anyways both jose and jameer are average players