Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

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[BKlutch]

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This is nearly unstoppable. He needs to keep doing this to make it a thing.

Who the hell could he practice against? I know - let's hire Sasha back as a coach. He can hold up a broom to defend KP.

[Thugger HBC]

Here's where you seem to be missing the point, you keep talking about what height means to Kristaps Porzingis, what I'm talking about is what height means in the grand scheme of things. If Porzingis was 6'7" then who knows what type of talent he would develop. He might have developed more skills and even at that height still had a really high ceiling, look at that kid Luka Doncic, how high is his ceiling? Porzingis height matters to him because of who he is, but in general we don't look at height as what makes someone a special player or not. It's skills and abilities, no matter what size the player is, it's about what can and can't they do on the basketball floor.

And here is where the disconnect is. I've never called KP special, I said he was unique. he's unique because of what he can do (skills) at his height. KP will still be a unique talent even if he only makes it to an all-star level.

You and other posters keep saying the height has no factor, when it absolutely does. It's what makes KP unique, and it without a doubt gives him an advantage because his talents are nowhere near special yet. I wouldn't assume what he could do at 6' 7 because he isn't.

KP height is the first thing noted when watching his game How many times have you heard anyone say " he shouldn't be able to do that at his height". I've heard it plenty. "skills of a guard, quickness of a small forward, range of a wing".

Those things are said because of at his height he's able to do those things that not many can.

Nope, I never said he wasn't unique, I said he wasn't the single most unique player in the league. I believe you are the one who called him that. What makes Porzingis more unique than Joel Embiid? One inch in height? What makes him more unique than Anthony Davis? 3 inches in height? Ignoring the other players who are 7 feet tall but isolating Porzingis as some special breed because he happens to be an inch or two taller than the other guys and acting like it's something so remarkable when it's really not. That's where my comment about it being so irrelevant comes from, I've watched these tall 7 footers with guard like abilities throughout the league but for some reason Porzingis is supposed to be the only one that stands out? I'm not going to pretend like these other players don't exist and I'm not going to make one inch be the reason I consider someone more unique than another. If he was the only guy in the league with those abilities then I could see the point, but he's not. There are a handful at least.

Since you want to know, let's use his rookie season as an example.....

In 2015-16, Porzingis became the first rookie in NBA history to record at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 75 3-point field goals made. pretty simple line.....What would you call him?

Porzingis recorded 1,028 points, 526 rebounds, 134 blocks, and 81 3-point field goals made as a rookie. For perspective, only two other players recorded at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 80 3-point field goals in 2015-16.
Those players were All-NBA Second Team honoree Draymond Green and All-Star big man Al Horford.

I don't think he's better than AD, and likely won't be, nor does he have to be. Embiid has to stay on the floor without the minutes restriction to get ANY credit from me....he's Greg Oden 2.0 til he can play most of a season. Dude hasn't even played 1000 minutes. Play 2000 minutes a season, drop the minutes restriction, then Embiid can enter the convo.

You don't have to pretend those guys don't exist. Just don't pretend that they're are similar when they aren't.

[HEZI]

Thank goodness you made this post before that tweet just got posted.

Now if we only lived in a world where that happened on the regular. Count how many times he did that move all of last year

The question is -- did he develop a new shot? or was it just a one time thing. We know he didn't do this last year. Lance Thomas did the FUGLY version of this last year. KP didn't. At his age, we expect to see growth and development.

Knicks fans should hope that this is exactly what we're seeing.

I've been begging for him to develop more Iso moves all year. While other people were too busy complaining about how we don't have a PG that creates for him, I kept complaining about how I want to see Porzingis develop more moves so he doesn't have to rely on a PG to create every shot for him. Wingo and I kept talking about what a running hook would do for him, we want to see more. I really hope it is something he is working on because it would do wonders if he ever did develop a move like that.

[BKlutch]

Now if we only lived in a world where that happened on the regular. Count how many times he did that move all of last year

The question is -- did he develop a new shot? or was it just a one time thing. We know he didn't do this last year. Lance Thomas did the FUGLY version of this last year. KP didn't. At his age, we expect to see growth and development.

Knicks fans should hope that this is exactly what we're seeing.

I've been begging for him to develop more Iso moves all year. While other people were too busy complaining about how we don't have a PG that creates for him, I kept complaining about how I want to see Porzingis develop more moves so he doesn't have to rely on a PG to create every shot for him. Wingo and I kept talking about what a running hook would do for him, we want to see more. I really hope it is something he is working on because it would do wonders if he ever did develop a move like that.

He's one of the few who's got the physical talents to do this. You have to keep your feet on the floor and dribble cross court, and you need the height at the release point without jumping much. It seems to be a shot made for him. But he used his left hand here - that's a surprise. He needs to work on this until he can do it in his sleep. You and Wingo really inspired him. hehe

[Wolfgang630]

KP has been going to the post more so that's good.

[Thugger HBC]

Now we're complaining about assisted buckets?

[BKlutch]

Now we're complaining about assisted buckets?

Haha.

I also saw him during the game telling the other players where to go on offense. He seemed to have a good understanding of how to set up the offense. Without him, Latvia was not nearly as strong as Lithuania. With him, they won a very hard fought victory. That's what a good (very good?) player does for his team.

[Thugger HBC]

Now we're complaining about assisted buckets?

Haha.

I also saw him during the game telling the other players where to go on offense. He seemed to have a good understanding of how to set up the offense. Without him, Latvia was not nearly as strong as Lithuania. With him, they won a very hard fought victory. That's what a good (very good?) player does for his team.

It will always be about what he does in the NBA for me, but it's nice to see him have positive performances in other competition.

I just find these convos quite odd. Critique is fine, but a lot of this is way over the top. he's entering his 3rd season. Of course I expect to see real growth.

[BKlutch]

Now we're complaining about assisted buckets?

Haha.

I also saw him during the game telling the other players where to go on offense. He seemed to have a good understanding of how to set up the offense. Without him, Latvia was not nearly as strong as Lithuania. With him, they won a very hard fought victory. That's what a good (very good?) player does for his team.

It will always be about what he does in the NBA for me, but it's nice to see him have positive performances in other competition.

I just find these convos quite odd. Critique is fine, but a lot of this is way over the top. he's entering his 3rd season. Of course I expect to see real growth.

We all care how he does in the NBA - but to see him showing us he's growing and learning, even if it's in FIBA where he's showing this, is good news.

Look at what happened to Marshall Plumlee - not much older than KP, but I suppose he had already reached his ceiling. Now he's signed with the Clips. (Woj)

[IllmaticHandler]

So Magic Johnson being 6'9" at the PG position had nothing to do with his dominance and versatility?

Who was the tallest PGs around that time? 6'1 dudes? come on thats like a 8 inch difference. Like I said three inches does not do much for me when both cats are 7ft. Like I said if KP was 7'8 doing what he is doing then thats something to me. I dont see 3 inches as some magical difference in specialness.

[IllmaticHandler]

Thank goodness you made this post before that tweet just got posted.

I mentioned the shot in the game thread and I'm going to remember it for a long time.

Left handed. Driblling. Running. Hook. Nothing but net. And the foul. He made the defense look like Junior Varsity.

There's nobody tall enough and fast enough to stop that without a much harder foul.

Hey man, height doesn't matter though. He could've as easily done that at 5'7" as he could have at 7'3".

You Kill your own argument saying dumb **** like this. Find better sarcasm comparing players that have over a whole foot in difference. You tried the same tactic earlier and its futile. We are comparing players who at most have a 4inch difference among them.

[HEZI]

And here is where the disconnect is. I've never called KP special, I said he was unique. he's unique because of what he can do (skills) at his height. KP will still be a unique talent even if he only makes it to an all-star level.

You and other posters keep saying the height has no factor, when it absolutely does. It's what makes KP unique, and it without a doubt gives him an advantage because his talents are nowhere near special yet. I wouldn't assume what he could do at 6' 7 because he isn't.

KP height is the first thing noted when watching his game How many times have you heard anyone say " he shouldn't be able to do that at his height". I've heard it plenty. "skills of a guard, quickness of a small forward, range of a wing".

Those things are said because of at his height he's able to do those things that not many can.

Nope, I never said he wasn't unique, I said he wasn't the single most unique player in the league. I believe you are the one who called him that. What makes Porzingis more unique than Joel Embiid? One inch in height? What makes him more unique than Anthony Davis? 3 inches in height? Ignoring the other players who are 7 feet tall but isolating Porzingis as some special breed because he happens to be an inch or two taller than the other guys and acting like it's something so remarkable when it's really not. That's where my comment about it being so irrelevant comes from, I've watched these tall 7 footers with guard like abilities throughout the league but for some reason Porzingis is supposed to be the only one that stands out? I'm not going to pretend like these other players don't exist and I'm not going to make one inch be the reason I consider someone more unique than another. If he was the only guy in the league with those abilities then I could see the point, but he's not. There are a handful at least.

Since you want to know, let's use his rookie season as an example.....

In 2015-16, Porzingis became the first rookie in NBA history to record at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 75 3-point field goals made. pretty simple line.....What would you call him?

Porzingis recorded 1,028 points, 526 rebounds, 134 blocks, and 81 3-point field goals made as a rookie. For perspective, only two other players recorded at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 80 3-point field goals in 2015-16.
Those players were All-NBA Second Team honoree Draymond Green and All-Star big man Al Horford.

I don't think he's better than AD, and likely won't be, nor does he have to be. Embiid has to stay on the floor without the minutes restriction to get ANY credit from me....he's Greg Oden 2.0 til he can play most of a season. Dude hasn't even played 1000 minutes. Play 2000 minutes a season, drop the minutes restriction, then Embiid can enter the convo.

You don't have to pretend those guys don't exist. Just don't pretend that they're are similar when they aren't.

How does that make Porzingis the most unique player in the league?

James Harden was the first player in NBA history to record at least 2,000 points, 900 assists and 600 rebounds in a season. Draymond Green is the first player in NBA history with 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, 100 blocks and 100 steals in a season. Giannis Antetokounmpo is 1st player in NBA history to finish Top 20 in 5 major stat categories. Anthony Davis was the first player in NBA history to record at least 45 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 steals in a game. Devin Booker scored 70 points in a game. Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double for a season. It goes on and on, yet somehow Kristaps Porzingis is the single most unique player in the NBA? Nah, sorry but he's just not

[DOT]

There's a lot of unique players in the league

KP is a unique player because of the combination of skills he brings at his height

Arguing who is more unique is pointless, someone like Draymond is unique too in his own way, but not more or less so than KP

[IllmaticHandler]

There's a lot of unique players in the league

KP is a unique player because of the combination of skills he brings at his height

Arguing who is more unique is pointless, someone like Draymond is unique too in his own way, but not more or less so than KP

Basically. Its why I said KP is not on a Island.

[Thugger HBC]

Nope, I never said he wasn't unique, I said he wasn't the single most unique player in the league. I believe you are the one who called him that. What makes Porzingis more unique than Joel Embiid? One inch in height? What makes him more unique than Anthony Davis? 3 inches in height? Ignoring the other players who are 7 feet tall but isolating Porzingis as some special breed because he happens to be an inch or two taller than the other guys and acting like it's something so remarkable when it's really not. That's where my comment about it being so irrelevant comes from, I've watched these tall 7 footers with guard like abilities throughout the league but for some reason Porzingis is supposed to be the only one that stands out? I'm not going to pretend like these other players don't exist and I'm not going to make one inch be the reason I consider someone more unique than another. If he was the only guy in the league with those abilities then I could see the point, but he's not. There are a handful at least.

Since you want to know, let's use his rookie season as an example.....

In 2015-16, Porzingis became the first rookie in NBA history to record at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 75 3-point field goals made. pretty simple line.....What would you call him?

Porzingis recorded 1,028 points, 526 rebounds, 134 blocks, and 81 3-point field goals made as a rookie. For perspective, only two other players recorded at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 80 3-point field goals in 2015-16.
Those players were All-NBA Second Team honoree Draymond Green and All-Star big man Al Horford.

I don't think he's better than AD, and likely won't be, nor does he have to be. Embiid has to stay on the floor without the minutes restriction to get ANY credit from me....he's Greg Oden 2.0 til he can play most of a season. Dude hasn't even played 1000 minutes. Play 2000 minutes a season, drop the minutes restriction, then Embiid can enter the convo.

You don't have to pretend those guys don't exist. Just don't pretend that they're are similar when they aren't.

How does that make Porzingis the most unique player in the league?

James Harden was the first player in NBA history to record at least 2,000 points, 900 assists and 600 rebounds in a season. Draymond Green is the first player in NBA history with 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, 100 blocks and 100 steals in a season. Giannis Antetokounmpo is 1st player in NBA history to finish Top 20 in 5 major stat categories. Anthony Davis was the first player in NBA history to record at least 45 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 steals in a game. Devin Booker scored 70 points in a game. Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double for a season. It goes on and on, yet somehow Kristaps Porzingis is the single most unique player in the NBA? Nah, sorry but he's just not

As a rookie, I do thinks its impressive and certainly fits the bill of most unique. Players have similar views, as do GM's.

Fans of his team don't. Not really surprised.

[Ganji]

Friendly game Latvia vs Lithuania.

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[ChaosHamster]

So Bucks pulled out Giannis from Greece`s NT..

I guess Porzingis doesn't want Knicks to part of his time in Latvia? Why didn't they send anyone over?

Even Davis BErtans has a coach with him from the Spurs..

[HEZI]

Since you want to know, let's use his rookie season as an example.....

In 2015-16, Porzingis became the first rookie in NBA history to record at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 75 3-point field goals made. pretty simple line.....What would you call him?

Porzingis recorded 1,028 points, 526 rebounds, 134 blocks, and 81 3-point field goals made as a rookie. For perspective, only two other players recorded at least 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 80 3-point field goals in 2015-16.
Those players were All-NBA Second Team honoree Draymond Green and All-Star big man Al Horford.

I don't think he's better than AD, and likely won't be, nor does he have to be. Embiid has to stay on the floor without the minutes restriction to get ANY credit from me....he's Greg Oden 2.0 til he can play most of a season. Dude hasn't even played 1000 minutes. Play 2000 minutes a season, drop the minutes restriction, then Embiid can enter the convo.

You don't have to pretend those guys don't exist. Just don't pretend that they're are similar when they aren't.

How does that make Porzingis the most unique player in the league?

James Harden was the first player in NBA history to record at least 2,000 points, 900 assists and 600 rebounds in a season. Draymond Green is the first player in NBA history with 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, 100 blocks and 100 steals in a season. Giannis Antetokounmpo is 1st player in NBA history to finish Top 20 in 5 major stat categories. Anthony Davis was the first player in NBA history to record at least 45 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 steals in a game. Devin Booker scored 70 points in a game. Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double for a season. It goes on and on, yet somehow Kristaps Porzingis is the single most unique player in the NBA? Nah, sorry but he's just not

As a rookie, I do thinks its impressive and certainly fits the bill of most unique. Players have similar views, as do GM's.

Fans of his team don't. Not really surprised.

This whole debate was sparked by Lebron James tweeting a video of Kevin Garnett and stating that he was a true unicorn. Just like us fans, not all players and GM's feel the same way, everybody has their opinion.

[Knicksfan1992]

KP is still not moving guys when he drives. He's either not being forceful enough when initiating contact or he's still too weak... he may never be able to do it because his center of gravity is too high. It's somewhat of a concern going forward unless he starts getting foul calls. He may have to realize that he may never be effective iso driving and master the 1-2 dribble pull up like Melo, Nowitzki, etc. did.