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Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

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What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
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Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
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Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
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Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1381 » by dakomish23 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 4:59 pm

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Greenie wrote:They don’t have the experience.

If they are the anchors then we’re in trouble looking at this years defense.

We’re literally one of the worst defensive teams in the league and those two have been here all year.

They can both learn from a former DPOY.


Those two together have played a combined 331 mins out of a possible 2,544 mins.

The two other solid defenders we have are Dotson and Vonleh. Dotson has been on the floor for 232 of the 331, Vonleh 130 of the 331.

Them 4 together? 105 mins. 94 of those were with THJ, a lineup that’s been discussed here a lot which had a def rating of 98.5 and a net rating of 8.1.

I’d love to see what we look like with those 4 and DSJ and also we need to see the Frank Dotson Mitch DSJ Knox lineup.


Ok

So here’s the question.

How are they “anchors” when they don’t play like that? Does Fiz view them in the same light as this board? My guess is no. Fiz did just come out of his face and say DJ would help build the defense.

How can you call dudes that gets flat out benched(Frank) and a dude that can’t stay on the floor because of either foul trouble or injury(Mitch) the anchors of anything?


Do we really want to dive into the decision to not play Frank during a rebuild?
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1382 » by Greenie » Fri Feb 8, 2019 5:06 pm

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Those two together have played a combined 331 mins out of a possible 2,544 mins.

The two other solid defenders we have are Dotson and Vonleh. Dotson has been on the floor for 232 of the 331, Vonleh 130 of the 331.

Them 4 together? 105 mins. 94 of those were with THJ, a lineup that’s been discussed here a lot which had a def rating of 98.5 and a net rating of 8.1.

I’d love to see what we look like with those 4 and DSJ and also we need to see the Frank Dotson Mitch DSJ Knox lineup.


Ok

So here’s the question.

How are they “anchors” when they don’t play like that? Does Fiz view them in the same light as this board? My guess is no. Fiz did just come out of his face and say DJ would help build the defense.

How can you call dudes that gets flat out benched(Frank) and a dude that can’t stay on the floor because of either foul trouble or injury(Mitch) the anchors of anything?


Do we really want to dive into the decision to not play Frank during a rebuild?


:lol:

You and I are on the same page with that though.

Frank should have been starting every game dating back to last year.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1383 » by Greenie » Fri Feb 8, 2019 5:09 pm

All Frank needs to show is at least a consistent CORNER 3 for the rest of the year.

Smith WILL drive and kick to him.

If he can hit that shot(just that corner 3) then we can begin to build off of that.
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Post#1384 » by CDAZ » Fri Feb 8, 2019 5:14 pm

I wouldn't want shump back on the team. No matter how low the cost.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1385 » by Reign23 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 5:17 pm

I'm rooting for frank more than for any other knick. his potential future self could be all that we've missing for a decade. really hope he makes it. go frankie !
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1386 » by dakomish23 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 5:18 pm

Greenie wrote:All Frank needs to show is at least a consistent CORNER 3 for the rest of the year.

Smith WILL drive and kick to him.

If he can hit that shot(just that corner 3) then we can begin to build off of that.


Yep. Plus Frank can create for others, specifically out of the PnR.

Let’s do this. Give me them 20-25 together each game. There is zero excuse not to.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1387 » by BKlutch » Fri Feb 8, 2019 9:00 pm

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blanko wrote:The irony is... if we get kyrie and Kd (maybe even AD) the likeyhood of frank staying only increases.

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I agree. Every champ team should have a stopper, even Rockets suffer from without Ariza to get a worse version of him in Shumpert as a bandaid replacement.

Ariza was a solid shooter from 3 though.
Teams don’t play straight defensive guys anymore.

Last year Ariza shot 36% from 3....this year Iman is shooting 36% from three.

3&D is a must. Just the D ain’t getting it.

Ariza started in 2004 - 2005. It was not until 2012 -2013 that he hit 36% of his 3's. That's quite a while before he did that.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1388 » by GONYK » Fri Feb 8, 2019 9:12 pm

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[Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1389 » by 2010 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 9:55 pm

In his first comments since going down with a groin strain on Jan. 27 vs. Miami, Ntilikina expressed genuine enthusiasm to have second-year point guard Dennis Smith Jr. aboard. It sounded like he’d rather be teammates working off each other than rivals constantly compared to each other.


Knicks coach David Fizdale envisions pairing them as a potentially fascinating backcourt tandem. And so does the 20-year-old Frenchman who was selected at No. 8 in the 2017 draft — one spot ahead of Smith.


“I was excited, man,’’ Ntilikina said when he learned of last Thursday’s Kristaps Porzingis blockbuster. “We bring in another young guy as talented as Dennis is exciting. Right now I’m itching to get back on the court and play with him. There’s a lot of potential with this whole team, especially with Dennis and me. We can play together. He can play with or without the ball. I can do the same. I’m just really excited about being back on the court.”


Ntilikina’s groin is not healing as quickly as hoped. Earlier this week, Fizdale said Ntilikina and former starting point guard Emmanuel Mudiay (shoulder) won’t be back until after the All-Star break. The addition of Smith likely makes Mudiay an afterthought since he is a free agent after the season.


There was thought the Knicks would be inclined to move Ntilikina now that Smith is here, but team president Steve Mills still is rolling with the defense-first guard. Mills and Phil Jackson selected Ntilikina over Smith. For two straight trade deadlines, Orlando has inquired about Ntilikina but got rebuffed by Mills.

Ntilikina didn’t seem worried one bit.


“(Thursday) I was just working on my groin and my body,’’ Ntilikina said. “About the trade deadline, I was just really confident. I know I’m good here in New York. I’m happy to be a Knick. I’m doing everything every day to take that confidence back (into) trying to be the best Knick as possible.”


Fizdale has grown to appreciate the 6-6 Ntilikina — even if he’s not the scoring point guard the coach seems to prefer. Ntilikina brings stuff that Smith, not known as a defensive demon, does not. And vice versa.


If Mudiay was under contract for next season, things might be different regarding the roster depth chart. But now it appears Fizdale will ride Ntilikina and Smith, the explosive guard out of North Carolina State who racked up 25 points with six assists in the Detroit loss Wednesday in just his second game. Smith probably would have gotten 10 assists if the woebegone Knicks (10-43) hit their open shots.


Fizdale is tired of attempting to characterize Ntilikina, who is shooting 34.2 percent and averaging 5.9 points. He has missed the last five games.

“I’ll let them both handle (the ball),’’ Fizdale said. “(Ntilikina) obviously guards the bigger of the two guys. Frank is just a guy, I’m tired of trying to label him. I even can get caught up getting frustrated trying to say, he’s this or he’s that. Nah, he’s just a player. He can do whatever you ask him to do out there. He can play off the ball, he can play on the ball. He can guard multiple guys. I’m done calling him this or that. I just want him to go out there and be a winning player for us.”


Ntilikina and Smith had a cordial relationship when they were rival rookies. Smith told The Post last season Ntilikina was one of the guys he spoke with the most at rookie orientation. Smith said the other night he and Ntilikina were alone in the gym on Tuesday night working on their shots. Both have to work on becoming more reliable 3-point shooters. Ntilikina’s career 3-point percentage is 30.7, while Smith’s is 31.7.


“We know each other,’’ Ntilikina said. “We know when not in the same uniform, you’re always a rival against everyone of your opponents. Now, we’re in the same uniform and it’s exciting. We‘re going to try to get better and make this team better.”


The Knicks coach has grown an appreciation for how Ntilikina has handled his rocky second season — taken out of the rotation twice and being a DNP on Christmas Day after his mother flew in from France for the contest.

Fizdale thinks the addition of Smith will end rivalry narrative that existed between the two players.

“He’s a great teammate,’’ Fizdale said. “He’s a pro. The kid works his tail off to be good. At least we finally got him to a place I feel like that he’s not worried about, ‘I got drafted ahead of this guy and I got this or I got that. I just want to be a good basketball player for the team I play for and help them win.’ I think that’s where he’s at.”


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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#1390 » by Galou » Fri Feb 8, 2019 9:58 pm

Hmmm... Ok, ima change my vote to the end of his contract :-?

2 more years right? Fxxx it
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Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1391 » by cuyankees » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:02 pm

Looking fwd to Frankie Smokes & DSJ tearing up the French Quarter after each game next year.
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Post#1392 » by ITGM » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:05 pm

“(Thursday) I was just working on my groin and my body,’’ Ntilikina said.


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Post#1393 » by KnicksChamps » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:06 pm

How can you not root for the kid? He’s young and he’s working hard to be a great player and teammate. What more do you want?
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Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1394 » by Cookies4Life » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:11 pm

I love this kid's mentality; he's by far my favorite player on the team (shout out to Money Mitch as well.)

It's been a volatile ride for Frank up to this point in his career. He could've complained at times about playing out of position, lack of consistent minutes, etc., but he maintains a positive outlook and continues to grind.

I wish every Knick on this team had this mentality. He's a keeper IMO for the long haul; a guy who can have an impact on the game without scoring points is highly valuable to a team looking to recruit 2 superstars. His low usage rating on offense combined with his elite level perimeter defense makes him a valuable commodity for this team's core and overall future.
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Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1395 » by CoolKids » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:25 pm

KnicksChamps wrote:How can you not root for the kid? He’s young and he’s working hard to be a great player and teammate. What more do you want?

Production?


hes A likable kid for sure. Hope he can figure out his offense in the next year or two
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Post#1396 » by Galou » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:30 pm

i expected so much this season. I was too impatient. I thought Frank would mature and catch on quick. Im going to calm down and wait to she how he turns out.
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Post#1398 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 8, 2019 10:55 pm

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“(Thursday) I was just working on my groin and my body,’’ Ntilikina said.


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Post#1399 » by nedleeds » Sat Feb 9, 2019 12:12 am

He's 20 in a foreign country. Has this kind of even keel and level head, parents should be proud of the kid they've raised handling the ups and down like a man. Unlike DSG who was a pouting **** the moment a better guy came along and stole some spotlight from him.
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Re: [Article] Frank speaks on our new backcourt 

Post#1400 » by JBreezeNY » Sat Feb 9, 2019 12:26 am

If Dennis being on this team doesn’t put the fire in his belly to produce then he won’t make it in the NBA (as a starter).

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