The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[robillionaire]

I don't fully buy this. If they wanted to just be rid of Frank, they could have traded him for anything.

They wanted value back, and didn't get it, so they kept him.

Well, according to Begley the value they wanted back was a 2nd round pick in the draft this year, and they didn't get it so they kept him. Take it with a grain of salt I guess.

I believe Begley. I'm just saying there is a difference between the 31st pick and the 59th pick.

I don't think they were looking to trade him just to trade him.

Yeah, that's fair. Not sure what player they may have been targeting other than Iggy

[taj2133]

Cmon man. We were bad and he’s a kid. You have to go through the growing pains with most kids. Most kids aren’t as game ready as guys who’ve been in the league for years.

Mudiay and burke were fighting for there basketball careers not to be over and frank just was okay player that average 8 points and 5 assist just to have the starting job but couldn't do it.

A competent organization doesn't prioritize resuscitating the flailing careers of players that won't be retained over developing a 20 yr old lotto pick.

For the sake argument let say frank was averaging same amount points dsj was averaging his rookie year of 15 points, 5 assist, on 39.5 percent from the field and 31 percent from three, do you think the knicks go sign burke and trade for mudiay if frank was averaging those stats i think not.

[GONYK]

Mudiay and burke were fighting for there basketball careers not to be over and frank just was okay player that average 8 points and 5 assist just to have the starting job but couldn't do it.

A competent organization doesn't prioritize resuscitating the flailing careers of players that won't be retained over developing a 20 yr old lotto pick.

For the sake argument let say frank was averaging same amount points dsj was averaging his rookie year of 15 points, 5 assist, on 39.5 percent from the field and 31 percent from three, do you think the knicks go sign burke and trade for mudiay if frank was averaging those stats i think not.

If Frank got the opportunity to get a 29% usage rate and just inefficiently chew through possessions like DSJ did his rookie year, he probably could have put up close to those numbers.

This is what he did when given the chance his rookie year

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[Cookies4Life]

A competent organization doesn't prioritize resuscitating the flailing careers of players that won't be retained over developing a 20 yr old lotto pick.

For the sake argument let say frank was averaging same amount points dsj was averaging his rookie year of 15 points, 5 assist, on 39.5 percent from the field and 31 percent from three, do you think the knicks go sign burke and trade for mudiay if frank was averaging those stats i think not.

If Frank got the opportunity to get a 29% usage rate and just inefficiently chew through possessions like DSJ did his rookie year, he probably could have put up close to those numbers.

This is what he did when given the chance his rookie year

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Some posters don't put things into its proper context. If Frank could hoist up 15 shots per night (which isn't his M.O. whatsoever) and play 30+ minutes, he'd absolutely average double digit points. I don't know why some care so much about ppg when it comes from a lot of our players through an inefficient manner.

They look at his low FG% and forget he shoots 4 or 5 times per game while not being able to play on a nightly basis. How can anyone be efficient in that regard? He has the shortest leash out of all our young players- its not even close- and for what he brings on the defensive side of the court it's perplexing why he's being treated by our coaching staff like this.

I'll always go back to Knox and how he's had a green light to do whatever he wants. I don't remember him getting any DNP's last year, rather he was allowed to shoot as much as he wanted to, never get anyone involved offensively and was a horrific defender. I actually like Kevin and think he has potential but he should've been racking up the DNP's last year, not Frank.

I really hope Fizdale shouts out Frank in his opening press conference and says hell get him right like his pet project from last season in Mudiay. This FO is really stupid for playing a bunch of expiring guys/guys with no future over our lottery talent. He was a project coming into the league and this team has sucked since he's been here; there's no reason why he shouldn't be receiving a good amount of minutes and ample time to play through his mistakes.

[NYKAL]

Assassin is a French word.

Frank already trying to embarrass the Celtics.

And the Jazz for thinking they drafted a better player.

Assassin or, originally Hassassin, pseudo religious fanatics originated in the Middle East.

[mpharris36]

I’m glad this thread is picking up more steam just to piss off sham. And I plan on keeping my avatar too

[Kampuchea]

The fact this front office has cluttered our roster to the point our 21 developmental lottery pick has no easy path to play and improve makes we question the path of this organization. Rinse wash repeat where 1 year mercenaries are going to take the much needed playing time of our youth in a year we have no shot to make the playoffs.

They were trying to trade him for a 2nd round pick. They don't see him as a player to develop they see him as a player they want to get rid of

I had the feeling the 2nd round pick trade talk was another fabrication by the media. Unless Woj or Shams reported it

[FKF]

For the sake argument let say frank was averaging same amount points dsj was averaging his rookie year of 15 points, 5 assist, on 39.5 percent from the field and 31 percent from three, do you think the knicks go sign burke and trade for mudiay if frank was averaging those stats i think not.

If Frank got the opportunity to get a 29% usage rate and just inefficiently chew through possessions like DSJ did his rookie year, he probably could have put up close to those numbers.

This is what he did when given the chance his rookie year

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Some posters don't put things into its proper context. If Frank could hoist up 15 shots per night (which isn't his M.O. whatsoever) and play 30+ minutes, he'd absolutely average double digit points. I don't know why some care so much about ppg when it comes from a lot of our players through an inefficient manner.

They look at his low FG% and forget he shoots 4 or 5 times per game while not being able to play on a nightly basis. How can anyone be efficient in that regard? He has the shortest leash out of all our young players- its not even close- and for what he brings on the defensive side of the court it's perplexing why he's being treated by our coaching staff like this.

I'll always go back to Knox and how he's had a green light to do whatever he wants. I don't remember him getting any DNP's last year, rather he was allowed to shoot as much as he wanted to, never get anyone involved offensively and was a horrific defender. I actually like Kevin and think he has potential but he should've been racking up the DNP's last year, not Frank.

I really hope Fizdale shouts out Frank in his opening press conference and says hell get him right like his pet project from last season in Mudiay. This FO is really stupid for playing a bunch of expiring guys/guys with no future over our lottery talent. He was a project coming into the league and this team has sucked since he's been here; there's no reason why he shouldn't be receiving a good amount of minutes and ample time to play through his mistakes.

[robillionaire]

All I can say is I’m a Frank fan for life whether it be on the Knicks or whoever gets him or if he just plays in France the next 10-15 yrs. I just like watching him play. Always gonna root for this kid

[Sark]

I’m glad this thread is picking up more steam just to piss off sham. And I plan on keeping my avatar too

I think the pic is broken. Can't see sht.

[taj2133]

A competent organization doesn't prioritize resuscitating the flailing careers of players that won't be retained over developing a 20 yr old lotto pick.

For the sake argument let say frank was averaging same amount points dsj was averaging his rookie year of 15 points, 5 assist, on 39.5 percent from the field and 31 percent from three, do you think the knicks go sign burke and trade for mudiay if frank was averaging those stats i think not.

If Frank got the opportunity to get a 29% usage rate and just inefficiently chew through possessions like DSJ did his rookie year, he probably could have put up close to those numbers.

This is what he did when given the chance his rookie year

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He played 78 games his rookie season and probably had 7 good games that season the problem with frank he doesn't show it that often, it once in while. If he showed it more often on offensive side of ball like today and this more often the knicks wouldn't have no problem with frank.

[K_ick_God]

Just RJ and Frank with RJ’s D also looking very disruptive and active, could be a special situation if they can play together.

[robillionaire]

Also imagine if we maxed out kemba fing yikes

[robillionaire]

Just RJ and Frank with RJ’s D also looking very disruptive and active, could be a special situation if they can play together.

Need someone to learn to shoot the ball though

[Nazrmohamed]

Playing Jack and Mudiay over him, only to let them walk for retirement or small money, isn't a conspiracy theory.

He's not in the cards unless he goes nuclear and then Steve Compete Mills is forced to play him.

To be real here frank had his chance to start early and if you can't get starting job from jack, session, mudiay, and burke then you don't deserve to start that competition in front frank wasn't that hard.

Cmon man. We were bad and he’s a kid. You have to go through the growing pains with most kids. Most kids aren’t as game ready as guys who’ve been in the league for years.

The other thing to consider is what Fizz values. Take Melo for example. Dantoni wanted him traded in his prime. Right now he could walk into a gym and murder many NBA players but for some reason the fact that he could do that doesnt change his circumstances. Now theres enough posts talking about the why behind it, that's not my goal here but just to state it's not providing percieved value.

Well for Frank, how do you define a good game. Let's take this game for example. Luckily for Frank he scored in double digits to temporarily silence haters but what was his real value to this game..........shutting down Kemba Walker and I'd argue it should be placed in order of importance right behind Forniers 30pts. And let's say instead of scoring double digits he passed up those shots to another teammate who scored and that person scored those points, but he still played the sane defense and got the win?

And that's my issue with the Knicks. In the perfect world youd have 14 players who can all score and defend at the same time. But we have plenty of players who can't defend and seemingly dont get any hate and funny thing is, youd think that with all this freedom Fiz gives to iso scorers that one of them would average 20. Nope, most give you nothing on defense to them average a measly 12-13 points. But its Frank who has to justify his play.

Then we all know Fizz don't run any system so what exactly are we truly judging him on? His ability to outscore others in a system less program? Might as well call in JR Smith and Corey Maggette. These guys wouldve proven themselves to be the next Michael Jordan under that context. Wins surely didnt matter.

I just dont value what the guys who beat him out are to a team, once that team decides to run real plays with the expectation of winning games. And I think the moment you start doing that Frank would prove to be more valuable

[dakomish23]

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